With the recent leak of 9 to 5 People, I was incredibly surprised that we know next to nothing about the song. Even the date 188 is only guessed due t the distinctive sound of the era.

So it got me thinking, are there any other tracs that have leaked, that we know almost nothing about?

When "4 Lust" was leaked a few years ago (well, it might have been already 5 years ago) it seemed to come out of the blue. Of course, it came from Jill and is a duet with her, but we did not know the song even existed. It wasn't listed in any of the Per Nilsen / Uptown etc. books that many thought must have had just about every known Prince recording listed in them.

Per Nilson, PrinceVault, Uptown etc. reflect chiefly what has already been circulating among elite collectors and traders, and some information garnered from readily interviewed sources (Susan Rogers' logs, engineer/studio personnel information regarding tracks listed on tape cannisters, etc).

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While their efforts to document such things are laudable, they are not authoritatively exhaustive *by any means*, nor are all their conclusions regarding such things as recording date and participants always accurate, and their journalistic orientation, or mystique in PV's case, has a tendancy to mislead the less questioning members of their audience.

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imprimis said:

Per Nilson, PrinceVault, Uptown etc. reflect chiefly what has already been circulating among elite collectors and traders, and some information garnered from readily interviewed sources (Susan Rogers' logs, engineer/studio personnel information regarding tracks listed on tape cannisters, etc).

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While their efforts to document such things are laudable, they are not authoritatively exhaustive *by any means*, nor are all their conclusions regarding such things as recording date and participants always accurate, and their journalistic orientation or mystique has a tendancy to mislead the less questioning members of their audience.

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Yeah, I know. I agree with the latter part of your post too. It's just that for a rather long time, many of us were under the impression that the lists contained in the books contained pretty much everything, at least from the 80s. The recording schedule they suggested was just so dense and the lists with even all the recording dates included made it seem they were as exhaustive as it gets.

novabrkr said:

imprimis said:

Per Nilson, PrinceVault, Uptown etc. reflect chiefly what has already been circulating among elite collectors and traders, and some information garnered from readily interviewed sources (Susan Rogers' logs, engineer/studio personnel information regarding tracks listed on tape cannisters, etc).

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While their efforts to document such things are laudable, they are not authoritatively exhaustive *by any means*, nor are all their conclusions regarding such things as recording date and participants always accurate, and their journalistic orientation or mystique has a tendancy to mislead the less questioning members of their audience.

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Yeah, I know. I agree with the latter part of your post too. It's just that for a rather long time, many of us were under the impression that the lists contained in the books contained pretty much everything, at least from the 80s. The recording schedule they suggested was just so dense and the lists with even all the recording dates included made it seem they were as exhaustive as it gets.

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I think that's a large part of what they are going for, even though they have been decent enough to provide a lot of information that might not otherwise be available to the general public. While I'm certain they're busy people, they haven't as yet chimed in to discourage the perception of an exhaustive documentarian.

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'9 to 5 People' sounds a bit 1985-ish to me (the 'Empty Room'-esque guitar soloing, vintage-era flanging effects seem out of place for a 1988 recording), but it does also seem to have aspects of that 'Blue Angel' Cloud guitar sound, and a live console style recording (late night Paisley Park session) feeling, and the title sounds more like a post-Lovesexy era one. Some bass/drum and general structural similarities to 'Crystal Ball'. It's got some loose similarities to 'Rebirth of the Flesh', 'Rockhard in a Funky Place', and 'Supercalifragisexy' (all 1986). 'Purple Boys and Yellow Girls', nonsense lyric or some proto-'Peach and Black' description? Vocal delivery and inflexions 'sound' appropriate to 1987/1988. I really cannot commit to an exact date, but 1988 seems a credible possibility (although by no means certain without an official source or more material to cross-compare). I'm co-equally torn between a 1985 and 1988 date attribution, with a 1986 one a closely trailing third.

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imprimis said:

'9 to 5 People' sounds a bit 1985-ish to me (the 'Empty Room'-esque guitar soloing, vintage-era flanging effects seem out of place for a 1988 recording), but it does also seem to have aspects of that 'Blue Angel' Cloud guitar sound, and a live console style recording (late night Paisley Park session) feeling, and the title sounds more like a post-Lovesexy era one. Some bass/drum and general structural similarities to 'Crystal Ball'. It's got some loose similarities to 'Rebirth of the Flesh', 'Rockhard in a Funky Place', and 'Supercalifragisexy' (all 1986). 'Purple Boys and Yellow Girls', nonsense lyric or some proto-'Peach and Black' description? Vocal delivery and inflexions 'sound' appropriate to 1987/1988. I really cannot commit to an exact date, but 1988 seems a credible possibility (although by no means certain without an official source or more material to cross-compare). I'm co-equally torn between a 1985 and 1988 date attribution, with a 1986 one a closely trailing third.

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The electric guitar on Anna Stesia is completely flanged for the solo and outtro.

Jill Jones leaked 4 Lust on here facebook page. I was pretty surprised she did it.

The flanging that I am referring to is more in the direction of 'Computer Blue' than AS, or the effect at the very end of the extended 'She's Always *'.

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steakfinger said:

imprimis said:

'9 to 5 People' sounds a bit 1985-ish to me (the 'Empty Room'-esque guitar soloing, vintage-era flanging effects seem out of place for a 1988 recording), but it does also seem to have aspects of that 'Blue Angel' Cloud guitar sound, and a live console style recording (late night Paisley Park session) feeling, and the title sounds more like a post-Lovesexy era one. Some bass/drum and general structural similarities to 'Crystal Ball'. It's got some loose similarities to 'Rebirth of the Flesh', 'Rockhard in a Funky Place', and 'Supercalifragisexy' (all 1986). 'Purple Boys and Yellow Girls', nonsense lyric or some proto-'Peach and Black' description? Vocal delivery and inflexions 'sound' appropriate to 1987/1988. I really cannot commit to an exact date, but 1988 seems a credible possibility (although by no means certain without an official source or more material to cross-compare). I'm co-equally torn between a 1985 and 1988 date attribution, with a 1986 one a closely trailing third.

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The electric guitar on Anna Stesia is completely flanged for the solo and outtro.

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Okay, if I'm missing something than please let me know, but the Vault is said to be able to produce an album every year for the next 100 years . Yes, there are many songs we know nothing about.

there have been a few things here or there that i never knew about, but were perhaps
already up on princevault without me knowing.

stuff like "the max '88", i never knew existed. cool little track too. and i'd never heard
or read anything about "make your mama happy" until it ended up on crystal ball.

bluegangsta said:

With the recent leak of 9 to 5 People, I was incredibly surprised that we know next to nothing about the song. Even the date 188 is only guessed due t the distinctive sound of the era.

So it got me thinking, are there any other tracs that have leaked, that we know almost nothing about?

Was 9 to 5 listed at all on the vault (like others where no details are known) or was it a complete new find? I didn't check them out on the day to see.

SquirrelMeat said:

bluegangsta said:

With the recent leak of 9 to 5 People, I was incredibly surprised that we know next to nothing about the song. Even the date 188 is only guessed due t the distinctive sound of the era.

So it got me thinking, are there any other tracs that have leaked, that we know almost nothing about?

Was 9 to 5 listed at all on the vault (like others where no details are known) or was it a complete new find? I didn't check them out on the day to see.

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'9 to 5 People' has been known (by the title only) to exist for a number of years, and a year attribution of 1988 (whether or not that is valid), but no other details about the song were until recently known by mere Purple mortals.

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imprimis said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Was 9 to 5 listed at all on the vault (like others where no details are known) or was it a complete new find? I didn't check them out on the day to see.

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'9 to 5 People' has been known (by the title only) to exist for a number of years, and a year attribution of 1988 (whether or not that is valid), but no other details about the song were until recently known by mere Purple mortals.

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There are a few long-circulating tracks that have, even today, very little information or backing behind them.

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For instance, 'Divinity', as the song has been titled by bootleggers, has never received any explanation as to its origins. It is most likely the instrumental (vocals muted) of a 1983 re-recording of 'Lust U Always', and the version later reworked for Robert Palmer in 1987. Other theories I've heard is that it is another 'Ice Cream Castles' session track.

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roxy831 said:

Okay, if I'm missing something than please let me know, but the Vault is said to be able to produce an album every year for the next 100 years . Yes, there are many songs we know nothing about.

Maybe if you'd include band rehearsal, instrumental sketches and experiments and so on but never ever complete, more-or-less quality albums... I don't believe it.

There has to be tons of songs we know nothing about which is fine. We are not entitled to know anything to begin with. When prince released Crystal Ball we did not know there were completed versions of Crystal Ball, Dream Factory (those versions never circulated), Cloreen Bacon Skin was unheard of as well as Make Yo Mama Happy, Calhoun Square or Da Bang. It's good to know someone has kept it quiet for so long and we are finally ablwe to hear it though. Someday I hope we will all live enough to have and hear every single note!

paisleypark4 said:

There has to be tons of songs we know nothing about which is fine. We are not entitled to know anything to begin with. When prince released Crystal Ball we did not know there were completed versions of Crystal Ball, Dream Factory (those versions never circulated), Cloreen Bacon Skin was unheard of as well as Make Yo Mama Happy, Calhoun Square or Da Bang. It's good to know someone has kept it quiet for so long and we are finally ablwe to hear it though. Someday I hope we will all live enough to have and hear every single note!

What the hell is this bull crap about entitlment? I'm simply asking if there are songs that have leaked which don't know the background on.

paisleypark4 said:

There has to be tons of songs we know nothing about which is fine. We are not entitled to know anything to begin with. When prince released Crystal Ball we did not know there were completed versions of Crystal Ball, Dream Factory (those versions never circulated), Cloreen Bacon Skin was unheard of as well as Make Yo Mama Happy, Calhoun Square or Da Bang. It's good to know someone has kept it quiet for so long and we are finally ablwe to hear it though. Someday I hope we will all live enough to have and hear every single note!

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If I remember correctly, "Make Yo Mama Happy" was mentioned by Prince in an interview by the Musician magazine after Emancipation came out (he was already preparing the CB release though, so that's why he mentioned the song). "Calhoun Square" had been played live after the name change.

novabrkr said:

paisleypark4 said:

There has to be tons of songs we know nothing about which is fine. We are not entitled to know anything to begin with. When prince released Crystal Ball we did not know there were completed versions of Crystal Ball, Dream Factory (those versions never circulated), Cloreen Bacon Skin was unheard of as well as Make Yo Mama Happy, Calhoun Square or Da Bang. It's good to know someone has kept it quiet for so long and we are finally ablwe to hear it though. Someday I hope we will all live enough to have and hear every single note!

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If I remember correctly, "Make Yo Mama Happy" was mentioned by Prince in an interview by the Musician magazine after Emancipation came out (he was already preparing the CB release though, so that's why he mentioned the song). "Calhoun Square" had been played live after the name change.

i'm fairly certain i had it on a bootleg -the studio version of calhoun sq.

i think it was on sabotage's 'past, present and future II'

bluegangsta said:

paisleypark4 said:

There has to be tons of songs we know nothing about which is fine. We are not entitled to know anything to begin with. When prince released Crystal Ball we did not know there were completed versions of Crystal Ball, Dream Factory (those versions never circulated), Cloreen Bacon Skin was unheard of as well as Make Yo Mama Happy, Calhoun Square or Da Bang. It's good to know someone has kept it quiet for so long and we are finally ablwe to hear it though. Someday I hope we will all live enough to have and hear every single note!

What the hell is this bull crap about entitlment? I'm simply asking if there are songs that have leaked which don't know the background on.

If 9 To 5 is evidence enough then one should assume the rest.

novabrkr said:

paisleypark4 said:

There has to be tons of songs we know nothing about which is fine. We are not entitled to know anything to begin with. When prince released Crystal Ball we did not know there were completed versions of Crystal Ball, Dream Factory (those versions never circulated), Cloreen Bacon Skin was unheard of as well as Make Yo Mama Happy, Calhoun Square or Da Bang. It's good to know someone has kept it quiet for so long and we are finally able to hear it though. Someday I hope we will all live enough to have and hear every single note!

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If I remember correctly, "Make Yo Mama Happy" was mentioned by Prince in an interview by the Musician magazine after Emancipation came out (he was already preparing the CB release though, so that's why he mentioned the song). "Calhoun Square" had been played live after the name change.

Aaaah.. I was young at the time ..wasnt really in the know to access stuff like that.