http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aisha-k-staggers/even-doves-have-pride-why_b_11893488.html posted 9/22/16

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That was wonderful. Thank you. I needed that.

Good article. The frothing fams could do well to read it, but somehow I think they'll just accuse anyone with a differing opinion as trying to moderate them.

Sadly, the end damage will be the communication channels between the estate and the fans.

Very good article.

beautyunaffected said:

Prince was a riddler and conspiracy theorist. The parallel dates within his career, hey maybe it is just a coincidence. But are we just supposed to take the official CoD and end all from there? People want answers, there is nothing wrong with with seeking them. Oh and it doesn't help either that former associates and people within his camp have alluded to something sinister involving his death.

True. But there is a very real possiblity we won't get them. Then what? Start rioting? Burning stuff down? I mean at what point does one start accepting that this path has ended and a new one has begun?

beautyunaffected said:

Prince was a riddler and conspiracy theorist. The parallel dates within his career, hey maybe it is just a coincidence. But are we just supposed to take the official CoD and end all from there? People want answers, there is nothing wrong with with seeking them. Oh and it doesn't help either that former associates and people within his camp have alluded to something sinister involving his death.

I'm not sure what you are saying? Is it that you believe one of the many conspiracy theories and that dates provide some proof?? Either way, there is an investigation going on and it hasn't concluded. Sure people want answers, so why don't they wait?

Looking at many post on the Org from newcomers and I think the author of this article is spot on when they said:

"These conspiracy theories and petitions do, however, point to a reality the creators of such fail to acknowledge: they are struggling to accept his death as a horrible accident that resulted in the death of one of the most beloved and most brilliant artists of a generation who, like many, hid a very real problem from the public and from friends. That has me coming to the resolve that many of these “advocates” retreated from Prince in the 1990s and feel guilty for doing so because now he is dead. No petition or Facebook fan group is going to change any of this; and no petition will bring him back."

SquirrelMeat said:

"...but somehow I think they'll just accuse anyone with a differing opinion as trying to moderate them..."

Nah. What they do here is, they tell anybody with a differing opinion, "You have an agenda! Troll!".

morningsong said:

morningsong said:

I loved it. Great message.

SquirrelMeat said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

True. But there is a very real possiblity we won't get them. Then what? Start rioting? Burning stuff down? I mean at what point does one start accepting that this path has ended and a new one has begun?

/// Why would it go to the point of anyone rioting? What is wrong with asking questions? Are we living in a world were asking a question makes you a nut? Someone got him those Fentanyl pills. What is wrong with asking who? Aren't the police not looking into this? For they are this is not a open and shut case. Also a lot of the speculation is fuled by his associates and their cryptic comments. I also hate this "pride" bullshit. He was an artist trying to work his craft no different then atheletes who continue their sport thru pain. Not wanting to bitch a whine all the time has nothing to do with pride.

I love questions. But then there's demanding. The idea of people getting together to form a protest about something that really is a personal family matter by law is crossing the line. Looking all down in someone underwear, to use a metaphor, isn't a right, it's meddling. Calling out all media have them watch you isn't about social injustice it's attention seeking. We know how he died. It isn't pretty, it doesn't feed into the image most of us had but that's just something people should start dealing with on a personal level. If more comes out down the line then cool, but there very well may be nothing else to say beyond what's already been said. Can you accept that and move on?

beautyunaffected said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm not sure what you are saying? Is it that you believe one of the many conspiracy theories and that dates provide some proof?? Either way, there is an investigation going on and it hasn't concluded. Sure people want answers, so why don't they wait?

Looking at many post on the Org from newcomers and I think the author of this article is spot on when they said:

"These conspiracy theories and petitions do, however, point to a reality the creators of such fail to acknowledge: they are struggling to accept his death as a horrible accident that resulted in the death of one of the most beloved and most brilliant artists of a generation who, like many, hid a very real problem from the public and from friends. That has me coming to the resolve that many of these “advocates” retreated from Prince in the 1990s and feel guilty for doing so because now he is dead. No petition or Facebook fan group is going to change any of this; and no petition will bring him back."

What exactly isn't clear in my comment? Im pretty sure its straightfoward. Maybe you need to re-read it. As far as mentioning parallel dates, its just an example of what leads some fans to speculate. Again this is not hurtful to his legacy. Much worst things have occured that is hurtful to his legacy.

Sorry, I didn't mean anything by it I just haven't been following the conspiracy threads in any detail. Are people saying because some dates are coincidential, that there is suspicion around his death, or just that Prince liked dates and parrallels as such?

In regard to legacy damage, I agree that simply asking questions insn't damaging, but when protest groups, marches and general tomfoolery start up and its nothing but aggravation for the Estate or police, then it will. The most obvious being barriers of communication.

morningsong said:

it's just another opinion piece from the HUFF POST.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I love questions. But then there's demanding. The idea of people getting together to form a protest about something that really is a personal family matter by law is crossing the line. Looking all down in someone underwear, to use a metaphor, isn't a right, it's meddling. Calling out all media have them watch you isn't about social injustice it's attention seeking. We know how he died. It isn't pretty, it doesn't feed into the image most of us had but that's just something people should start dealing with on a personal level. If more comes out down the line then cool, but there very well may be nothing else to say beyond what's already been said. Can you accept that and move on?

- / If we all accept it and move on nothing will ever come out. If someone fucked up and gave him those pills then they should be dealt with by the police. I think some are forgetting that there is a police investigation going and question why these types of articles are appearing and none on finding out where the pills came from or the status of his case.

I can't roll with that assumption. It's purly another person's emotional mindset and it's not a catalyst for action on my part. People are going too far in my opinion and the whole idea that strangers (and yes fan/fams are strangers) are demanding to be all in the middle of an open police investigation and a probate decision tells me all I need to know. I want no parts of it.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I love questions. But then there's demanding. The idea of people getting together to form a protest about something that really is a personal family matter by law is crossing the line. Looking all down in someone underwear, to use a metaphor, isn't a right, it's meddling. Calling out all media have them watch you isn't about social injustice it's attention seeking. We know how he died. It isn't pretty, it doesn't feed into the image most of us had but that's just something people should start dealing with on a personal level. If more comes out down the line then cool, but there very well may be nothing else to say beyond what's already been said. Can you accept that and move on?

- / If we all accept it and move on nothing will ever come out. If someone fucked up and gave him those pills then they should be dealt with by the police. I think some are forgetting that there is a police investigation going and question why these types of articles are appearing and none on finding out where the pills came from or the status of his case.

I'm with you laurarichardson. There is NOTHING wrong with questioning anything and everything you don't feel comfortable with...and there's still a lot about this whole thing that doesn't sit right given what we know about Prince, even though certain people here have issues with those who aren't satisfied at this point. If you are happy with what you've been fed so far, then go with it. But leave those who aren't satisfied to go about what they need to do to get their own closure. This all leads back to CLOSURE and there are several here who think if they browbeat others enough, that the questions will go away. They won't. How about avoiding what you don't like or walking away from it, if you've gotten closure for yourself? No one is forced to read anything here.

XxAxX said:

it's just another opinion piece from the HUFF POST.

And you know what they say about opinions, right

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I can't roll with that assumption. It's purly another person's emotional mindset and it's not a catalyst for action on my part. People are going too far in my opinion and the whole idea that strangers (and yes fan/fams are strangers) are demanding to be all in the middle of an open police investigation and a probate decision tells me all I need to know. I want no parts of it.

-/ No fans will be involved in decisions that the police and probate decide in the end however, the public has had a hand of forcing police to do due diligence in crimenal cases as the police do work for the people. I also think as far as the music is concerned the family seems interested in what the fans have to say I mean who do you think is going to buying the music.

There you go - overestimating your own importance yet again.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said: - / If we all accept it and move on nothing will ever come out. If someone fucked up and gave him those pills then they should be dealt with by the police. I think some are forgetting that there is a police investigation going and question why these types of articles are appearing and none on finding out where the pills came from or the status of his case.

I'm with you laurarichardson. There is NOTHING wrong with questioning anything and everything you don't feel comfortable with...and there's still a lot about this whole thing that doesn't sit right given what we know about Prince, even though certain people here have issues with those who aren't satisfied at this point. If you are happy with what you've been fed so far, then go with it. But leave those who aren't satisfied to go about what they need to do to get their own closure. This all leads back to CLOSURE and there are several here who think if they browbeat others enough, that the questions will go away. They won't. How about avoiding what you don't like or walking away from it, if you've gotten closure for yourself? No one is forced to read anything here.

Well then if you feel there is nothing wrong with questioning then questioning EVERYTHING shouldn't be a problem. I'm not going to be dragged around based on other's emotions, some people aren't stable, and their loudness isn't evidence of stability. I need to repost this thing on "The Myth of Closure" since that's were I'm working from. It makes a point talking about moving on with no answers, that's also a part of healing.

rogifan said:

What answers are people looking for? Unless they think something nefarious happened and want to see people put in jail for murder?

I think you just answered your own question.

Someone's need for "closure" doesn't trump someone else's right to live in peace. Specifically, I'm thinking of the comments I've read in threads here about Prince's family -- that they're "hiding something," acting "shady" and "why don't they just tell us the truth?" There's a fine line between comments like that on the internet to "fams" contacting these family members directly and demanding "answers" from them (I'm sure that that's already occuring) -- at a time when I'm sure Prince's family is dealing with tremendous stress already.

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"Closure" is something that fans are going to have to come to themselves, with or without the details of Prince's life they think they are entitled to.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said: - / If we all accept it and move on nothing will ever come out. If someone fucked up and gave him those pills then they should be dealt with by the police. I think some are forgetting that there is a police investigation going and question why these types of articles are appearing and none on finding out where the pills came from or the status of his case.

I'm with you laurarichardson. There is NOTHING wrong with questioning anything and everything you don't feel comfortable with...and there's still a lot about this whole thing that doesn't sit right given what we know about Prince, even though certain people here have issues with those who aren't satisfied at this point. If you are happy with what you've been fed so far, then go with it. But leave those who aren't satisfied to go about what they need to do to get their own closure. This all leads back to CLOSURE and there are several here who think if they browbeat others enough, that the questions will go away. They won't. How about avoiding what you don't like or walking away from it, if you've gotten closure for yourself? No one is forced to read anything here.

This was an excellent article. I don't believe in any of the conspiracy theories. It was either an accident or it wasn't. But there are some pieces to the puzzle which just don't feel right to me.

[Edited 9/23/16 12:02pm]

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said: - / If we all accept it and move on nothing will ever come out. If someone fucked up and gave him those pills then they should be dealt with by the police. I think some are forgetting that there is a police investigation going and question why these types of articles are appearing and none on finding out where the pills came from or the status of his case.

I'm with you laurarichardson. There is NOTHING wrong with questioning anything and everything you don't feel comfortable with...and there's still a lot about this whole thing that doesn't sit right given what we know about Prince, even though certain people here have issues with those who aren't satisfied at this point. If you are happy with what you've been fed so far, then go with it. But leave those who aren't satisfied to go about what they need to do to get their own closure. This all leads back to CLOSURE and there are several here who think if they browbeat others enough, that the questions will go away. They won't. How about avoiding what you don't like or walking away from it, if you've gotten closure for yourself? No one is forced to read anything here.

I think you are missing the point. Asking questions is one thing, but when someones personal search for 'closure' goes beyond words, but to actions, it can have an negative effect on others, the legacy and the estate. Their personal need for closure has then gotten out of control.

Ingoring words is easy, ignoring actions that could have a negative impact is not. So when some people want to take action (marching for example) they are attempting to legitimise their own baseless standpoint at the expense of others. When they receive push back from others, thats not browbeating, that reprocussion.

Genesia said:

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