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NPG is going crazy with the YouTube takedowns I have a Prince playlist on YouTube. I think I removed 30 videos tonight that had been deleted due to copyright infringement claim by NPG. One was a Beck tribute doing a cover of Raspberry Beret. Another was a tribute from Chris Martin singing the same song. My God how ridiculous. If they want to take down official Prince recordings or live shows fine but someone doing a cover of his song in tribute? Seriously? And if they are going to remove live concert footage then maybe they could start releasing this stuff to Tidal or iTunes for people to purchase.  Paisley Park is in your heart
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Web Sheriff making the rounds all over the net I suspect. Nothing new. 
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moderatorluv4u said: Web Sheriff making the rounds all over the net I suspect. Not sure if I can say this here but I'm glad I downloaded a bunch (only live stuff and interviews) so I have most of this on my hard drive. Of course I'd gladly pay for some of this stuff if that option existed. Paisley Park is in your heart
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I don't know about you guys, but I don't feel bad about downloading Prince's music now that he is gone. Yes, in theory, it could take possible revenue from "The Estate" but without a will, those family members just got the publishing rights and revenue by default. And I don't really care if Tyka "Web Sheriff" Nelson gets any of my money or not. And I'm not even saying she is wrong to be doing what she's doing...good for her, but I'm not paying her for it. [Edited 9/18/16 21:59pm] | |
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Maybe he's not really gone... |
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Oh another one to add to the list...Mumford & Sons cover of Nothing Compares 2 U. They played this at Xcel as a tribute to Prince shortly after he passed. It was beautiful. Thankfully I downloaded this one. I'm sure Springsteen's cover of Purple Rain is next. Paisley Park is in your heart
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They must got plans. Here's to fantasizing and hoping. | |
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rogifan said: luv4u said: Web Sheriff making the rounds all over the net I suspect. Not sure if I can say this here but I'm glad I downloaded a bunch (only live stuff and interviews) so I have most of this on my hard drive. Of course I'd gladly pay for some of this stuff if that option existed.  It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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rogifan said: I have a Prince playlist on YouTube. I think I removed 30 videos tonight that had been deleted due to copyright infringement claim by NPG. One was a Beck tribute doing a cover of Raspberry Beret. Another was a tribute from Chris Martin singing the same song. My God how ridiculous. If they want to take down official Prince recordings or live shows fine but someone doing a cover of his song in tribute? Seriously? And if they are going to remove live concert footage then maybe they could start releasing this stuff to Tidal or iTunes for people to purchase. I agree. Give us at least a chance to buy the stuff then. I don't think anyone here would deny paying P for his work but that's not even an option mostly. Having the stuff on YT to watch helped me grieve. Don't take it all away It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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rogifan said: I have a Prince playlist on YouTube. I think I removed 30 videos tonight that had been deleted due to copyright infringement claim by NPG. One was a Beck tribute doing a cover of Raspberry Beret. Another was a tribute from Chris Martin singing the same song. My God how ridiculous. If they want to take down official Prince recordings or live shows fine but someone doing a cover of his song in tribute? Seriously? And if they are going to remove live concert footage then maybe they could start releasing this stuff to Tidal or iTunes for people to purchase. -// Once the estate is settled they will get stuff out. In the meantime it is the adminstrator' skin to protect the copyrights. If people are downloading for free were is the incentive to purchase. | |
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morningsong said: They must got plans. Here's to fantasizing and hoping. -- I am sure they have plans and I hope the crackdown means that we are getting sonething. I keep thinking that since he had incorporated the lable just Paisly Park that Bremer may be able to move forward with releasing the music. | |
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I also noticed that a few tracks that used to be on Spotify a few weeks ago are have also been taken down. Things like "Good Love" from "Bright Lights Big City," Cyndi Lauper's cover of "When You Were Mine," Song Of The Heart" from the "Happy Feet" soundtrack, etc. All of the Time albums are still there, and the Shelia E albums (which are missing "A Love Bizarre" and "The Glamorous Life" for whatever reason |
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Personally, I think it's bonkers.
When he was alive, NOT making stuff readily available affected sales and his public profile. OK - he maintained none of that was important to him, so fair enough. But now he is dead. His heirs (whoever they may be), his creditors (including the tax man) and his estate (Paisley Park needs as much dosh as possible to keep going) will be needing funds. Making Prince / his music less visible won't achieve that aim: it's proven.
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: I have a Prince playlist on YouTube. I think I removed 30 videos tonight that had been deleted due to copyright infringement claim by NPG. One was a Beck tribute doing a cover of Raspberry Beret. Another was a tribute from Chris Martin singing the same song. My God how ridiculous. If they want to take down official Prince recordings or live shows fine but someone doing a cover of his song in tribute? Seriously? And if they are going to remove live concert footage then maybe they could start releasing this stuff to Tidal or iTunes for people to purchase. -// Once the estate is settled they will get stuff out. In the meantime it is the adminstrator' skin to protect the copyrights. If people are downloading for free were is the incentive to purchase. I never downloaded one thing from YouTube that could legally be purchased. I downloaded concert footage and interviews. And all the stuff from my playlist that has been removed is live stuff. I'll gladly pay for live stuff if it's made available. So how about leaving this stuff out there until that happens? Give me the option to purchase things like Coachella, Hop Farm, Montreux, North Sea Jazz etc. and I'd do it in a heartbeat. Paisley Park is in your heart
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sonshine said: rogifan said: I have a Prince playlist on YouTube. I think I removed 30 videos tonight that had been deleted due to copyright infringement claim by NPG. One was a Beck tribute doing a cover of Raspberry Beret. Another was a tribute from Chris Martin singing the same song. My God how ridiculous. If they want to take down official Prince recordings or live shows fine but someone doing a cover of his song in tribute? Seriously? And if they are going to remove live concert footage then maybe they could start releasing this stuff to Tidal or iTunes for people to purchase. I agree. Give us at least a chance to buy the stuff then. I don't think anyone here would deny paying P for his work but that's not even an option mostly. Having the stuff on YT to watch helped me grieve. Don't take it all away Yeah and how about getting all his music on iTunes? Right now all the non-WB years is not available. I'd love for all his music to be on all streaming platforms but I know how he felt about that so at least let us buy it on iTunes. Or Amazon or wherever else you can still buy stuff. Heck I'd even take album only purchases. Paisley Park is in your heart
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rogifan said: laurarichardson said: -// Once the estate is settled they will get stuff out. In the meantime it is the adminstrator' skin to protect the copyrights. If people are downloading for free were is the incentive to purchase. I never downloaded one thing from YouTube that could legally be purchased. I downloaded concert footage and interviews. And all the stuff from my playlist that has been removed is live stuff. I'll gladly pay for live stuff if it's made available. So how about leaving this stuff out there until that happens? Give me the option to purchase things like Coachella, Hop Farm, Montreux, North Sea Jazz etc. and I'd do it in a heartbeat. -- You did not download but other people are and many will not go out and buy this stuff when it is avalible for purchase. YouTube has been around for 10 years and music sales have plummeted. If you give something away for free people simply will not value it enough to pay for it. In addition, legally Breamer is responsible for looking out for copyright infringement or they could be removed as the admin and at the same time Breamer is also responsible for monterizing the estate. Generating revenue cannot occur with free music and video. Taxes have to be paid so will be getting vault material. | |
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Dibblekins said: Personally, I think it's bonkers.
When he was alive, NOT making stuff readily available affected sales and his public profile. OK - he maintained none of that was important to him, so fair enough. But now he is dead. His heirs (whoever they may be), his creditors (including the tax man) and his estate (Paisley Park needs as much dosh as possible to keep going) will be needing funds. Making Prince / his music less visible won't achieve that aim: it's proven.
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Where is the line drawn with regards copyright infringement? All these performances being taken down off youtube and a lot of them were done in tribute to Prince, after he died. I can understand the estate not wanting video footage of full Prince concerts on YouTube if they're plan down the line is to sell them on DVD or whatever because if they're available for free online, nobody would pay for them. That's business and I understand that. But let's say, as an example, Bruce Springsteen's performance of Purple Rain. Why would they want that removed? Springsteen is an artist Prince respected a lot so him covering Prince is kind of like The Boss paying that respect back to Prince. Plus, the estate aren't going to monetize that particular performance so why would they want it removed? Same goes for all the other tributes. They're not costing the Prince estate a cent. If anything, leaving them up shows how well liked Prince was that all these guys are paying tribute to him, which could turn fans of these artists onto Prince's music. | |
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: I never downloaded one thing from YouTube that could legally be purchased. I downloaded concert footage and interviews. And all the stuff from my playlist that has been removed is live stuff. I'll gladly pay for live stuff if it's made available. So how about leaving this stuff out there until that happens? Give me the option to purchase things like Coachella, Hop Farm, Montreux, North Sea Jazz etc. and I'd do it in a heartbeat. -- You did not download but other people are and many will not go out and buy this stuff when it is avalible for purchase. YouTube has been around for 10 years and music sales have plummeted. If you give something away for free people simply will not value it enough to pay for it. In addition, legally Breamer is responsible for looking out for copyright infringement or they could be removed as the admin and at the same time Breamer is also responsible for monterizing the estate. Generating revenue cannot occur with free music and video. Taxes have to be paid so will be getting vault material. Like I said I will gladly pay for things. But I think this hurts the estate more than it helps. Taking down video of an artist paying tribute to Prince by covering one of his songs live? Really? That's absurd. And if the man was still alive and I got the chance to tell him so I would. Paisley Park is in your heart
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EmmaMcG said: Where is the line drawn with regards copyright infringement? All these performances being taken down off youtube and a lot of them were done in tribute to Prince, after he died. I can understand the estate not wanting video footage of full Prince concerts on YouTube if they're plan down the line is to sell them on DVD or whatever because if they're available for free online, nobody would pay for them. That's business and I understand that. But let's say, as an example, Bruce Springsteen's performance of Purple Rain. Why would they want that removed? Springsteen is an artist Prince respected a lot so him covering Prince is kind of like The Boss paying that respect back to Prince. Plus, the estate aren't going to monetize that particular performance so why would they want it removed? Same goes for all the other tributes. They're not costing the Prince estate a cent. If anything, leaving them up shows how well liked Prince was that all these guys are paying tribute to him, which could turn fans of these artists onto Prince's music. Exactly. Also a lot of the Prince live concert footage being taken down is not high quality stuff. It's basically cell phone footage from someone in the audience. This stuff isn't stoping anyone from buying anything but what it is doing is giving more people exposure to what a great live artists Prince was. I hate that after he passed there was basically one guitar solo (from RRHOF performance) everyone was passing around as the best Prince guitar solo or the best representation of what made him such a great guitar player. All because that's one of the few Prince performances you can find on YouTube. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Your post makes a lot of sense. I work with young people and while all of them know and like Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain and Nirvana, the Beatles, Bob Dylan and other legends and still buy their legit stuff they barely even know Prince and those who have heard of him think he´s "That 80s guy who sang Kiss ". I understand why Tyka Nelson and Bremer and Londell McMillan are after the illegal uploads but they, just like Prince and his camp, have really no idea of who the fans are, what they are interested in, what format they would like to buy and what releases. Heck, they are barely familiar with Prince´s body of work, let alone managing it. So far I´ve bought every release that was or is officially available and will keep doing so. Real fans only use Youtube to get something before they can buy it as an official release, and believe me, most of the stuff on Youtube won´t be officially released anyway, so it doesn´t really make any sense to take it off of Youtube. They continue what Prince and his camp did (and Tyka worked for him before, snitching on fans who had posted stuff online) but just because Prince did it does not mean it was the right thing to do. Unfortunately , many people have only become aware of Prince´s immense talent and legacy after he passed away, and the Youtube videos played a huge part in that and still do. Those who consider themselves fans are going to buy legit releases in excellent quality regardless of whether they have already downloaded stuff. Heck, I own tons of legit videos and albums and stuff and still downloaded some Youtube stuff just so I can have it on my harddrive because I was too lazy to rip it from VHS tapes or CDs or vinyl. -. The people in charge of the estate don´t have the slightest clue of how to run things and make money and keep the legacy alive. If they were smart they´d get in touch with the hardcore fan base and some of the more knowledgable people here on the org and get some advice from them. Some of the bootleg releases look way better than some of the legit releases from the past two decades. And it´s not just the look of the products that I´m concerned about. If they want to do things right they better get in touch with some people here on the org or the Housequake team .
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. Oh please, NONE of that will ever be on sale. --- In the United States we have estate taxes that must be paid. You can make out payment plan but federal and local govt want to see were the funds to pay are coming from. Breamer has a duty per the court to monetize the estate. We will see music from that vault and I would bet that Breamer, Kopplemam and McMillian will present a plan before the November deadline to renew their agreement with the court as admins. | |
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I don't feel bad one bit about downloading Prince's music and videos. I'm suspect of the people who want to cash in on his death. I'm not sure if Prince would mind either especially if any of those trying to benefit from his work was involved in his death or are benefiting from it when he wouldn't have wanted them too. | |
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rogifan said: laurarichardson said: -- You did not download but other people are and many will not go out and buy this stuff when it is avalible for purchase. YouTube has been around for 10 years and music sales have plummeted. If you give something away for free people simply will not value it enough to pay for it. In addition, legally Breamer is responsible for looking out for copyright infringement or they could be removed as the admin and at the same time Breamer is also responsible for monterizing the estate. Generating revenue cannot occur with free music and video. Taxes have to be paid so will be getting vault material. Like I said I will gladly pay for things. But I think this hurts the estate more than it helps. Taking down video of an artist paying tribute to Prince by covering one of his songs live? Really? That's absurd. And if the man was still alive and I got the chance to tell him so I would. ---It is the is the estates job to monetize the was estate. Monetize- to utilize (something of value) as a source of profit. This is being ordered by the probate court and it really does comply with Prince's wishes. | |
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derrick31 said: I don't feel bad one bit about downloading Prince's music and videos. I'm suspect of the people who want to cash in on his death. I'm not sure if Prince would mind either especially if any of those trying to benefit from his work was involved in his death or are benefiting from it when he wouldn't have wanted them too. -- Great also realize that if estate taxes don't get paid the music could be auctioned off to the highest bidder. Do you think who ever buys it is going to be giving it away? We will the Calvin Harris remix of Acknowledge Me and Cream in a Preperation H commercial. | |
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