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Thread started 09/16/16 8:26am

Milty2

Post death Prince and David Bowie

This will probably generate some discussion but I happened to go onto DB's Instagram yesterday. Whoever is running the DB brand and working his social media is doing a great job because there are reissues and the cast recording coming out and all sorts of ways they are keeping his name out there. It feels like it's just a positive experience despite the loss. I am only guessing but I suppose Bowie left instructions to make sure that his legacy was controlled correctly. Even very shortly after his death, there was celebration from his camp on those levels I've mentioned.

I am disappointed about what Prince's death has become. It's managed by people not appointed by him. One can only assume these people have his best interests in mind but it's quite disappointing how there is no real plan (or at least no one made that imp[ression on him to make a plan) in the event his death was to happen.

Ad nauseaum.

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Reply #1 posted 09/16/16 8:34am

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I wish The Revolution would put together a travelling show that justifably honors Prince the way Tony Visconti did for Bowie.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #2 posted 09/16/16 8:44am

Milty2

purplethunder3121 said:

I wish The Revolution would put together a travelling show that justifably honors Prince the way Tony Visconti did for Bowie.

That really is a good idea. Maybe swap it up with different singers along the way.

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Reply #3 posted 09/16/16 8:49am

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The Bowie camp know how to do things.

Excellent tribute at the UK Mercury Music Awards by actor Michael C Hall yesterday. Bowie autobiographical film anyone?

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Reply #4 posted 09/16/16 9:40am

feeluupp

I like how the Bowie vinyl reissues were organized. A box set of his classic albums with an unreleased album as a bonus...

They should've done that for his first albums from 78-89 and include an unreleased album like CAMILLE. lol

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Reply #5 posted 09/16/16 2:38pm

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Oh well. lol

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Reply #6 posted 09/16/16 3:08pm

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Prince didn't have a chance or time time to put together much.

I don't think he expected to pass on.

He is sorely missed and hugely loved and his music and person is being celebrated still - in a way Ive rarely seen happen in my lifetime. If ever.

There are, I believe, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people still reeling and grieving.

He's been an example of living, too - in the person he was, in many ways.

I don't know that he cares as much as we think, about how others see him anymore, but his example of love and giving is what I want to carry on. And how well he did with some real challenges.

The music matters too, but he is free now no matter what.
Just love him.

The fact that it ended up like this might be perfect when this mess with the music etc is all straightened out. And it will be. Have no fear. It will work out.

Maybe we're supposed to come together to honor him and go through all this malarkey right now. Maybe that's one way he'll bring us together in the end.
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Reply #7 posted 09/16/16 3:15pm

terrig

Milty2 said:

This will probably generate some discussion but I happened to go onto DB's Instagram yesterday. Whoever is running the DB brand and working his social media is doing a great job because there are reissues and the cast recording coming out and all sorts of ways they are keeping his name out there. It feels like it's just a positive experience despite the loss. I am only guessing but I suppose Bowie left instructions to make sure that his legacy was controlled correctly. Even very shortly after his death, there was celebration from his camp on those levels I've mentioned.

I am disappointed about what Prince's death has become. It's managed by people not appointed by him. One can only assume these people have his best interests in mind but it's quite disappointing how there is no real plan (or at least no one made that imp[ression on him to make a plan) in the event his death was to happen.

Ad nauseaum.



Bowie planned. He left behind a wife and children who were involved in the stewardship of his legacy.

Prince made his decisions and to be honest even during his life his talent and music always rose to the top despite bad business decisions and falling outs and what not.

Princes legacy is secure inspite of nayone or anything that tries to dismantle it. It simply can't be done.
Prince now lives forever, no matter what the ever living fck these idiots do here lolololol

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Reply #8 posted 09/16/16 3:26pm

1Sasha

I have to agree. David had to plan - he had a family. He had had a heart attack. Prince had a building. We don't know his medical issues. Their lives were very different. Their personalities were very different.
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Reply #9 posted 09/16/16 3:36pm

BillieBalloon

It's like Prince just upped and left in the middle of dinner and everyone is like where'd he go? Leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces. I don't think I'll ever understand why he never left a will after fighting tooth and nail for control of his music, and since not a single person has explained why it seems we will never know. Somebody must know though..

Sorry about the silly dinner analogy but you know what I mean. Bowie planned and put people he trusted in place to execute that plan. Prince left and chaos ensued.
Baby, you're a star.

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Reply #10 posted 09/16/16 3:44pm

BillieBalloon

1Sasha said:

I have to agree. David had to plan - he had a family. He had had a heart attack. Prince had a building. We don't know his medical issues. Their lives were very different. Their personalities were very different.



Prince had more than just bricks and mortar. He had hundreds if not thousands of unreleased songs. His songs were like his children ( his words) and as such should have been planned for, not left behind to fend for themselves lol. Many people die without a spouse or children, they still have a will.
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Reply #11 posted 09/16/16 3:47pm

benni

BillieBalloon said:

It's like Prince just upped and left in the middle of dinner and everyone is like where'd he go? Leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces. I don't think I'll ever understand why he never left a will after fighting tooth and nail for control of his music, and since not a single person has explained why it seems we will never know. Somebody must know though.. Sorry about the silly dinner analogy but you know what I mean. Bowie planned and put people he trusted in place to execute that plan. Prince left and chaos ensued.


I don't think Prince cared to leave a will. I think that with his beliefs, he felt he would be in a better place and knew that he would not be concerned with his music or his legacy. I think that's why he said in an interview that "someone" will one day release his music, but it probably wouldn't be him. He knew that one day someone would have access to his vault and would release the music, but he didn't really care who did it, how they did it, or anything else, because he would be in a place in which it would no longer matter to him. You can't take it with you when you go, so why worry about what happens to it after you are gone?

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Reply #12 posted 09/16/16 4:26pm

BillieBalloon

benni said:



BillieBalloon said:


It's like Prince just upped and left in the middle of dinner and everyone is like where'd he go? Leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces. I don't think I'll ever understand why he never left a will after fighting tooth and nail for control of his music, and since not a single person has explained why it seems we will never know. Somebody must know though.. Sorry about the silly dinner analogy but you know what I mean. Bowie planned and put people he trusted in place to execute that plan. Prince left and chaos ensued.


I don't think Prince cared to leave a will. I think that with his beliefs, he felt he would be in a better place and knew that he would not be concerned with his music or his legacy. I think that's why he said in an interview that "someone" will one day release his music, but it probably wouldn't be him. He knew that one day someone would have access to his vault and would release the music, but he didn't really care who did it, how they did it, or anything else, because he would be in a place in which it would no longer matter to him. You can't take it with you when you go, so why worry about what happens to it after you are gone?




Why the desire to turn PP into a museum if none if it mattered? Apparently he was curating items and his plan for PP was to open it up to the public, according to friends.
[Edited 9/16/16 16:27pm]
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Reply #13 posted 09/16/16 4:30pm

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benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

It's like Prince just upped and left in the middle of dinner and everyone is like where'd he go? Leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces. I don't think I'll ever understand why he never left a will after fighting tooth and nail for control of his music, and since not a single person has explained why it seems we will never know. Somebody must know though.. Sorry about the silly dinner analogy but you know what I mean. Bowie planned and put people he trusted in place to execute that plan. Prince left and chaos ensued.


I don't think Prince cared to leave a will. I think that with his beliefs, he felt he would be in a better place and knew that he would not be concerned with his music or his legacy. I think that's why he said in an interview that "someone" will one day release his music, but it probably wouldn't be him. He knew that one day someone would have access to his vault and would release the music, but he didn't really care who did it, how they did it, or anything else, because he would be in a place in which it would no longer matter to him. You can't take it with you when you go, so why worry about what happens to it after you are gone?

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #14 posted 09/16/16 5:52pm

StopIt

the chaos further fuels the legacy, its brilliant this way.

BillieBalloon said:

It's like Prince just upped and left in the middle of dinner and everyone is like where'd he go? Leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces. I don't think I'll ever understand why he never left a will after fighting tooth and nail for control of his music, and since not a single person has explained why it seems we will never know. Somebody must know though.. Sorry about the silly dinner analogy but you know what I mean. Bowie planned and put people he trusted in place to execute that plan. Prince left and chaos ensued.

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Reply #15 posted 09/16/16 6:44pm

benni

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:


I don't think Prince cared to leave a will. I think that with his beliefs, he felt he would be in a better place and knew that he would not be concerned with his music or his legacy. I think that's why he said in an interview that "someone" will one day release his music, but it probably wouldn't be him. He knew that one day someone would have access to his vault and would release the music, but he didn't really care who did it, how they did it, or anything else, because he would be in a place in which it would no longer matter to him. You can't take it with you when you go, so why worry about what happens to it after you are gone?

Why the desire to turn PP into a museum if none if it mattered? Apparently he was curating items and his plan for PP was to open it up to the public, according to friends. [Edited 9/16/16 16:27pm]


Do you think he planned to tour the rest of his life? He was getting older, as we all are, and while he could still record, if he was living with a lot of pain, then the constant touring would begin to wear on him. He'd still need an income to keep Paisley Park up and running, and he knew he had the fan base to support a museum, especially if he was there recording music and renting out the studios to others to record.

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Reply #16 posted 09/16/16 7:32pm

nursev

It's really a shame, but says that Prince didnt believe he was going to die this soon. I guess in those circumstances things just kinda get done, but I hope that in a year we will be able to tell if his legacy and memory will be done justice.

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Reply #17 posted 09/17/16 10:37am

BillieBalloon

benni said:



BillieBalloon said:


benni said:



I don't think Prince cared to leave a will. I think that with his beliefs, he felt he would be in a better place and knew that he would not be concerned with his music or his legacy. I think that's why he said in an interview that "someone" will one day release his music, but it probably wouldn't be him. He knew that one day someone would have access to his vault and would release the music, but he didn't really care who did it, how they did it, or anything else, because he would be in a place in which it would no longer matter to him. You can't take it with you when you go, so why worry about what happens to it after you are gone?



Why the desire to turn PP into a museum if none if it mattered? Apparently he was curating items and his plan for PP was to open it up to the public, according to friends. [Edited 9/16/16 16:27pm]


Do you think he planned to tour the rest of his life? He was getting older, as we all are, and while he could still record, if he was living with a lot of pain, then the constant touring would begin to wear on him. He'd still need an income to keep Paisley Park up and running, and he knew he had the fan base to support a museum, especially if he was there recording music and renting out the studios to others to record.




I remember reading that people stopped recording at PP because they'd get shafted if Prince wanted to record there.
I can't imagine Prince recording there whilst it's a museum, ducking and diving trying to avoid the public gawping at him. No, I think he wanted it as a museum after his death imo.
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Reply #18 posted 09/17/16 10:49am

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Prince's estate is a lot more chaotic than Bowie's. I hope they don't rush to release stuff from the vault. I remember when Paul, George and Ringo did the Beatles Anthology and released two unfinished John songs that they finished and played on. Free as Bird was terrible and Real Love wasn't much better. I only want the best of the best from the vault. I don't want stuff coming out and people saying ooh this is horibble, no wonder he never released it and stuck it in a vault.
Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #19 posted 09/17/16 11:06am

terrig

nursev said:

It's really a shame, but says that Prince didnt believe he was going to die this soon. I guess in those circumstances things just kinda get done, but I hope that in a year we will be able to tell if his legacy and memory will be done justice.



No matter what actually happens...at some point Princes legacy, like Prince himself will rise to its expected stature.

There was something Prince had that no other artist had - the ability to THRIVE and rise no matter what kind of screwups and fck ups he created or was surrounded by.

Prince was surrounded by the magic bubble of genius - no matter what - Prince will be remembered and celebrated forever.

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Reply #20 posted 09/17/16 2:57pm

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Milty2 said:

This will probably generate some discussion but I happened to go onto DB's Instagram yesterday. Whoever is running the DB brand and working his social media is doing a great job because there are reissues and the cast recording coming out and all sorts of ways they are keeping his name out there. It feels like it's just a positive experience despite the loss. I am only guessing but I suppose Bowie left instructions to make sure that his legacy was controlled correctly. Even very shortly after his death, there was celebration from his camp on those levels I've mentioned.

I am disappointed about what Prince's death has become. It's managed by people not appointed by him. One can only assume these people have his best interests in mind but it's quite disappointing how there is no real plan (or at least no one made that imp[ression on him to make a plan) in the event his death was to happen.

Ad nauseaum.

Bowie had the time to sort out all of his affairs. He planned future album releases and all. Prince did not expect to die so soon.

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Reply #21 posted 09/17/16 3:07pm

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benni said:



BillieBalloon said:


It's like Prince just upped and left in the middle of dinner and everyone is like where'd he go? Leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces. I don't think I'll ever understand why he never left a will after fighting tooth and nail for control of his music, and since not a single person has explained why it seems we will never know. Somebody must know though.. Sorry about the silly dinner analogy but you know what I mean. Bowie planned and put people he trusted in place to execute that plan. Prince left and chaos ensued.


I don't think Prince cared to leave a will. I think that with his beliefs, he felt he would be in a better place and knew that he would not be concerned with his music or his legacy. I think that's why he said in an interview that "someone" will one day release his music, but it probably wouldn't be him. He knew that one day someone would have access to his vault and would release the music, but he didn't really care who did it, how they did it, or anything else, because he would be in a place in which it would no longer matter to him. You can't take it with you when you go, so why worry about what happens to it after you are gone?



I agree, Benni. Yet, it hurts my heart to hear the MTV interview with Kurt Loder from '99 when Prince says, of The Vault's contents: "Oh yes...I'll give it away...but ya know, I'm not going anywhere ...I'll be right here." sad
[Edited 9/17/16 15:08pm]
"...'IN A SENSE,' he said, 'you're alone here... so if you jump, you best jump far'..."
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