rob1965 said:

rob1965 said:

rob1965 said:

I contributed to this thread, so guilty as charged to begin with. But all I see in here are interpretations and allegations because NO ONE was actually there to witness it. All I see is personal interpretations about things written in the media like you were there and witnessed it all. Reading an article or watching tv doesn't make you a connaisseur. It's almost pathetic to see how certain people in here still try to get into his bedroom. The man is dead. Period. No one's spoken to him personally, so nobody knew him. So nobody can interpret what was serious, what was just fooling around and what was upholding his image. And for those having issues with P's attitude and waving the bannner of women's liberation and/or emancipation. Stop being on the barricades. You're in the wrong online community and certainly on the weong message board. You will see once you reach intellectual maturity.

You make a good point. We should not judge if we don't know one personally or know what they went through.

That said, I was interpreting the thread as a turn off from a fan standpoint and not on a personal level. It doesn't take knowing him personally to not like what he expressed via his music or interviews.

Mumio said:

Guitarhero said:

Am going to let the guy rest in peace.

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So far I haven't seen any criticisms of Prince on this thread that haven't seen before on other threads.

I guess the difference here is that you invited non-specific criticisms, rather than straight up asking a pointed question like "Are you disappointed in Prince for not drawing up a will?"or something equally loaded.

I don't see this thread as being worse than a lot the other threads I have seen on the Org.

I do understand how some people would see this thread as a "Let's All Hate On Prince Now" thread but I didn't see it that way.

I believe that the people that posted here, do a lot more loving on Prince than anything else.

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Maybe we should counter this thread with a 'Turn Ons! thread and see what happens.

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petergaynor said:

Look, this is absolutely my fault - I started this thread and clumsly, stupidly too casually named it. It was certainly not my intention to bash, or encourage others to bash, my hero. What I was actually reaching for was more in the lines of this - e.g. You get to know someone over a long time and you share many, many common views on life, the world, and then one day he turns around and says he can't wait until Trump becomes president. Your head spins. I was wondering likewise, for purely instructive purposes, what the differences were you'd noticed, to nuance the commonalities.

aw don't blame yourself for this, i thought this is pretty interesting thread to begin with. i don't think this is bashing related at all (to some). of course not everyone is a saint or godlike with many flaws but in conclusion you can still like that said person. in reality it's okay to criticize your fave if you disagree one or more things and still like the person. yeah the homophobia thing still kinda gets me as a queer woman but that doesn't stop me from listening to his wonderful music.

ps i wouldn't be surprised if he were a trump supporter lmao i don't see himself as a dem imho

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petergaynor said:

Look, this is absolutely my fault - I started this thread and clumsly, stupidly too casually named it. It was certainly not my intention to bash, or encourage others to bash, my hero. What I was actually reaching for was more in the lines of this - e.g. You get to know someone over a long time and you share many, many common views on life, the world, and then one day he turns around and says he can't wait until Trump becomes president. Your head spins. I was wondering likewise, for purely instructive purposes, what the differences were you'd noticed, to nuance the commonalities.

We´re not being judgmental or bashing him, since we all love the guy, for sure. We are just expressing our opinions about which aspect of him we dind´t like that much...

The only aspect that really bothered me was his JW stuff . I don´t believe in any kind of prohibition, guilt or sin that any religion tries to impose us, and to see him, always such a free spirit, framed like that was hard...

Personally, I find this thread helpful. I don't find anyone's comments offensive. One persons "turn off" aren't necessarily mine, but we all have our own opinions.

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Often, when someone passes only the best is spoken of them. Without speaking of the flaws/faults/vises they seem almost immortal.

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I think most members here are adults and long time fans of Prince and appreciate how almost magical he was in regards to his music, creativity, devotion, etc.

I believe he'll go down in the history books as a anomaly, much like Mozart, Bach, Divinchi, etc. But he wasn't a saint, and I think it helps with the grieving process to not put him on a untouchable pedestal for those coming up.

NorthC said:

The lyrics of What Do U Want Me 2 Do... "U'd get beheaded in other lands"... "dressed like that somebody's gonna get her"... Yuck...

Distasteful - but true.

Mayte. I was like... seriously? Whyyyyyy?!?!? Facepalm! It broke me to see him with her. All that soul mates in a previous life in Egypt stuff. Oh how it pained me! I totally stopped following Prince for years from around then until I realised she was no longer on the scene. I couldn't stomach watching her tiresome gyrations. Bring back Sheila E! I could deal with Sheil because she was up there with him in terms of musicianship and age and all that. But, boy, he kept on falling for those pesky dancing girls that were too young and stupid for him. (In my humble opinion, heh heh!)

Looking at it through my older and wiser eyes, I see how impossible it must have been for Prince to let his guard down and reeeeeally let someone in. I mean, let's take a little stroll in his zip-up shoes for a mo. Is this woman with me because of my fame/money/looks? Or does she really love me for me? Is she genuine or does she have a cunning ulterior motive? Will she betray me? It must have been hard for him to trust people in general, never mind his girlfriends. I think I'd have been a bit of a control freak in the same situation.

And I also don't blame him one bit for partaking in what was being offered to him on a plate by a constant string of women throwing themselves at him over the years. I was pretty impressed when he confessed to his recent celibacy. Testament to a man who'd woken up and smelled the coffee that no amount of sex is ever going to stop your suffering or make you happy.

You know, I once spent the summer roadying for a band a few of my friends were in, the singer of which was neither blessed in looks nor personality. At all. He wasn't a nice guy, quite frankly. But after every gig, without fail, he always had random girls fawning all over him. I never understood the attraction! There are soooo many women in this world who either have no self-respect or who have some kind of insane-in-the-membrane inexplicable lust for musicians (they don't even have to be remotely famous), particularly lead singers and guitarists. What IS that all about?

I can tell you, having sung in two bands, that this phenomenon definitely doesn't work in reverse. Well, it didn't for me. No man ever came and chatted me up after a gig. I think that if women don't want to be objectified, they ought to stop acting like objects. Just saying!

I've seen a few folks comment here that they didn't like some of the lyrics in What Do U Want Me 2 Do? I actually LIKE the lyrics in that song because it's Prince singing about this very subject - girls constantly coming onto him, even when they knew perfectly well he was married. How truly dreadful! As much as I would have loved to have stolen P away from Mayte (had I been a lithe, young super-attractive dancer) my morals simply wouldn't have let me do it. Tssst.

Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

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It's not his fault he was so attractive and women wanted him so badly. I have a feeling he was pretty straightforward about wanting sex from these women but they heard what they wanted to hear and then blamed him for their hurt. This isn't exactly a rare situation with successful men and unbalanced, desperate women.

That so many women were a part of his life, and I wasn't one of them!

FunkiestOne said:

Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

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It's not his fault he was so attractive and women wanted him so badly. I have a feeling he was pretty straightforward about wanting sex from these women but they heard what they wanted to hear and then blamed him for their hurt. This isn't exactly a rare situation with successful men and unbalanced, desperate women.

There is absolutey no reason to believe Susannah was unbalanced or desperate, or that she was making up crazy shit about him wanting more from her with nothing more to go on than, y'know, him asking her to marry him.

i hope i'm not the only female that is not attracted to prince. yeah he's very pretty and beautiful man who happens to be extremely gifted....that's it lol
it's not like i want him so badly like some ppl. just be glad you're not his ex wife/gf who has worser break-ups. i wouldn't date him tbh i rather be friends tho

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His dating women barely out of their teens. But it could have been hella worse (Can you say R. Kelly... ugh...the mere mention of his name makes me want to go purify myself in lake minnetonka)

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roxy831 said:

nursev said:

Seriously though Im glad his religion brought him some peace and happiness...hell we all need to get closer to our creator.

agree; I think that we are in the minority though. I think it took strength and conviction to put his faith out there like he did... especially knowing that it could cause him some popularity, flak and open him up for ridicule and disdain... but he didn't care, and I admired him for that

It is an interesting thread, and I agree with at least a few of the comments. The limitation of this type of thread is that people's turnoffs about Prince make it sound that Prince was static, consistent, and not evolving, which clearly wasn't the case. On top of that, he often seemed to hold conflicting views at the same time. I haven't followed him as closely in recent years as many of the long-term orgers here, but what I have gleaned form this site and some of the references mentioned here is that there seemed to be some evidence that he was generally softening up on some of the the mentioned issues regarding his preachiness, perhaps his attitude about homosexuality, arrogance, his estranged friends, how relatable he was with the audience (so open and relatable during the piano and mic tour), and his songwriting deepening to include a quest for a deeper love than just sex. Clearly the guy was evolving, though still not perfect. I guess I just wanted to add this context to the thread, not to dispute any of the opinions listed. I would hate for there to be a listing of all my perceived faults over a lifetime as if they were always true ( " he was just a stoner" - yes, as a teen only) etc.

Leslita said:

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You know, I once spent the summer roadying for a band a few of my friends were in, the singer of which was neither blessed in looks nor personality. At all. He wasn't a nice guy, quite frankly. But after every gig, without fail, he always had random girls fawning all over him. I never understood the attraction! There are soooo many women in this world who either have no self-respect or who have some kind of insane-in-the-membrane inexplicable lust for musicians (they don't even have to be remotely famous), particularly lead singers and guitarists. What IS that all about?

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It is instinctual behavior.

Males in most vertebrate species sing a mating song to attract a mate.

With humans it is the rock stars/musicians who sings the best mating songs, and these mating songs also reach the largest number of females.

That is why/how rock stars and other musician attract so many females that want to mate with them.

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herrherr said:

His arrogance. I like some of that attitude in his music, but his haughtiness when expressing his beliefs about social issues, religion, culture, and so on in interviews was often unbearble. It just seemed like he was convinced he was right about everything, even when he was so ineffective in expressing his (in my opinion, usually uneducated) viewpoint.

His proselytizing. His homophobia. His legal threats against fans. Chemtrails.

I hate how he seemed to become a symbol of the thing he stood against in his earlier work. The personal freedom. The pairing of the carnal with the spiritual. Rejection of social norms. It's disappointing. But that's just me.

His unreleased Lust U always made me uncomfortable when he threatened rape and thank goodness it remained unreleased. That ruined overall good song.

His anti-gay stance.

not releasing as much as possible

Asenath0607 said:

gandorb said:

rainbowchild said:

Asenath0607 said:

agree; I think that we are in the minority though. I think it took strength and conviction to put his faith out there like he did... especially knowing that it could cause him some popularity, flak and open him up for ridicule and disdain... but he didn't care, and I admired him for that

Unless, it was his "faith" that may have ultimately killed him by not seeking appropriate treatment. I've been there-- I was part of a cult once 2 while in college.

I feel that way as well. IF his faith gave him peace, I'm glad it did, but the thought did come across that he did not take care of himself as he should have.