Yeah. He could have done without the images of Mayte going down on him and the anal sex insinuations onstage. Quite shocking.

herrherr said:

His arrogance. I like some of that attitude in his music, but his haughtiness when expressing his beliefs about social issues, religion, culture, and so on in interviews was often unbearble. It just seemed like he was convinced he was right about everything, even when he was so ineffective in expressing his (in my opinion, usually uneducated) viewpoint.

His proselytizing. His homophobia. His legal threats against fans. Chemtrails.

I hate how he seemed to become a symbol of the thing he stood against in his earlier work. The personal freedom. The pairing of the carnal with the spiritual. Rejection of social norms. It's disappointing. But that's just me.

THIS.

The womanizing thing never really bothered me. He loved women and was in a position to exploit it. I think he just fell in love too damn easy and got bored quickly. I think he may have been polyamorous, judging by his overlapping relationships, I believe he was capable of being in love with several women at a time. He just never found a women who was wired up the same.

As for big turn offs, well my pet peeve is rudeness and ignorance, so I hated how he'd keep people waiting around for hours and most of the time not even show up. Just tell them you're not coming fgs!

We should just rename this the Let's Hate on Prince thread. Everyone has something/s about themselves that others will hate, behavior, personality, particular religious/political views, ect. We're all different, express ourselves differently, fervently defend what we believe, contradict ourselves sometimes, etc. Prince was no different than the rest of us.

sorry but what a shitty idea for a thread that will inevitably get out of hand by the 3rd page. The man has died....let it be.

nursev said:

Seriously though Im glad his religion brought him some peace and happiness...hell we all need to get closer to our creator. My only thing is that being apart of that religion may have affected his health decisions and that makes me so very sad.

herrherr said:

His arrogance. I like some of that attitude in his music, but his haughtiness when expressing his beliefs about social issues, religion, culture, and so on in interviews was often unbearble. It just seemed like he was convinced he was right about everything, even when he was so ineffective in expressing his (in my opinion, usually uneducated) viewpoint.

His proselytizing. His homophobia. His legal threats against fans. Chemtrails.

I hate how he seemed to become a symbol of the thing he stood against in his earlier work. The personal freedom. The pairing of the carnal with the spiritual. Rejection of social norms. It's disappointing. But that's just me.

I agree as well totally.

To each his or her own. That said: I don't want to hear any celebrity preaching and/or proselytizing their religion or their politics. I got sick of the whole Larry Graham thing - where was he when Prince was falling down into the abyss? The other thing - which was a P failing but not something I would hold against him - was his inability to form a good business team around himself to handle his business affairs. He needed the Eastmans (Paul McCartney's in-laws) or another solid team of professionals to handle his empire so that he could create art. The whole "slave/WB" dispute, which essentially stalled his career for many years when he could have been HUGE, didn't have to happen.

There's a lot of stuff that turned me off about over the years and I've posted at length about them on these forums for a long while, but I just don't feel like piling on the guy now that he's passed.

Am going to let the guy rest in peace.

petergaynor said:

bigtimefan said:

Great topic. I hope it doesn't get locked, as I personally think it helps the grief process and is healthy to talk about the not so perfect side of someone after they pass, as not all of us are Saints!

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I agree with the womanizing stuff. Yuck. His lyrics spoke so often of wanting true love, a long term relationship, etc. but I don't think he was capable.

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I understand the point that most musicians are probably that way, but IMO he wasn't like most musicians in most all other aspects of the industry.

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Also, that point in his career when he wouldn't speak, knowing that he was coming across as aloof or superior. I remember one interview (can't remember when or who interviewed him) but he would whisper his answers to Mayte and she would have to answer for him. That was just weird.

That was 'The Sunday Show' a BBC show & Veronica Webb interviewing him. Very annoying show but I enjoyed the interview. There are 2 versions out there. One intercut with a 'Gold Experience' tour sound check at Wembley. But in that period he could do no wrong for me.

Sorry, as much as I love P, I thought that interview was really awful. At the time, people were confused by the name change to and Prince comes on tv masked and not speaking which came across as weird and aloof. A definite turn off for me .

Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

I know the book Possessed is a great read and I look forward to the one being written after Prince died but I think his take on Prince's relationship with girlfriends is skewed and not always accurate. That being said sexing so many women at one time shows blatant disregard for their feelings.

Over performing at Rave Un2 The Year 2000 - he should have got tix to the Jean-Michel Jarre "12 Dreams Of The Sun" show at the Egyptian pyramids and not knackered his hips trying to show off.

joeycocopuffs said:

Wlcm2thdwn3 said:

EmmaMcG said:

petergaynor said:

I would include with his preaching, the arrogance mentioned above, and his need to feel morally superior to others. It probably all boils down to insecurity.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

This can be said for just about EVERY big time star. It seems to come with the territory. And, going in, most of the women seem to know this.

The womanizing also bothers me. It is not excuseable just because "everyone else is doing it." (I have pretty strong views about promiscuity and infidelity, views that I have followed quite closely in my own life.)

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Prince, to his credit, seems to have realized the error of his promiscuous ways and settled down later in life, starting in the mid-90s with Mayte and the for good in the early 2000s. (I've read a lot of comments on here that P was unfaithful while married to Mayte, especially from 1998-2000. I have no idea how true these rumors are. Mayte would be in the best position to know.) But by the early 2000s, after his JW conversion, his promiscuous ways appear to have been a thing of the past. The last 15 years of his life, he really cleaned up his act. So while I dislike a lot of his promiscuous behavior from the 80s and early 90s and don't care for some of his explicit music from the 80s and early 90s, he redeemed himself with the cleaner lifestlye he led during his last 15 years.

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I think about the movie Levity from 2003, which stars Billy Bob Thornton and Kirsten Dunst. The movie deals with the concept of redemption and that the one way to try and earn redemption is to be in the same situation and do things differently. (That's all I remember from memory.) So I researched the movie on the internet to refresh myself as to what happened because I haven't seen Levity in many years. Anyway, in the movie, Thornton's character Manuel Jordan, who was just released from prison after serving 20+ years for murder, states the following:

"I read a book that was written in the 11th century. A man said that there was five steps toward making amends. The first involved acknowledging what you did. The second involved remorse. The third involved making right with your neighbor. Like if you stole his chicken, you'd have to go and bring him another. Only then were you able to go to step four, which was making it right with God. But it wasn't until step five that you could really get redeemed. It had to do with being at the same place and the same situtation. That as it goes, you'd go and do something different. Only I can't bring Abner Easely back like he was some stolen chicken. Certainly made sure of that 23 years ago. And I don't believe in some God that's gonna open His arms to me even if I did. So there goes steps three and four. And as for step five, time makes sure we're never in the same place twice, no matter how much we wish it. Which is why, for me, I know I'll never be redeemed." (Source: http://www.imdb.com/title...8/quotes).

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To tie the concept of redemption back to Prince, starting around 2001 ish, Prince was doing things differently with regard to how he interacted with women. From what I have read, his faith appears to have influenced his change. (It would not surprise me if aging played a role also because biologically, older age also means a change in hormone levels.) The change in his promiscuous ways also extended to the music he released, as his later albums are much more G-rated than earlier ones and he changed the lyrics to some of his sexually explicit songs when performing them live, e.g. Darling Nikki. (Sources: http://www.rollingstone.c...-20150917, http://www.news.com.au/en...71467fa69)

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In his later years, Prince still surrounded himself with women, many considerably younger than himself, but these relationships appeared to be more friendship-based/professional. Everything I have read indicates that he wasn't sleeping around with women in his later years. I don't like his womanizing/unfaithful ways from his earlier years, but the change in his behavior during his last 15 or so years makes me feel comfotable embracing him. He was a flawed person, as we all are. A person cannot turn back time and correct everything wrong that he/she did in the past. All a person can do is to try to redeem him/herself going forward by changing her/his behavior and hoping that God will have mercy on his/her soul when earthly life is done.

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I don't like how he changed his attitude towards female sexually in his later years.

I attribute that change to his conversion to being a Jehovah's Wittness.

An example of his attitude can be seen in the song The Daisy Chain from the The Slaughterhouse which was released in 2004. (three or four years after he became a JW)

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[Edited 9/11/16 13:24pm]

Guitarhero said:

Am going to let the guy rest in peace.

Lol, the last thing I'm going to do is trash Prince on prince.org. Especially now. There's a lot of people out there that do or say things I don't like or agree with but I don't need to put it out there on a public forum, especially a fan forum So I guess you could say this whole thread is a turn off for me.

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NorthC said:

The lyrics of What Do U Want Me 2 Do... "U'd get beheaded in other lands"... "dressed like that somebody's gonna get her"... Yuck...

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I agree. Yuk!

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That song is from Musicology that was released in 2004. (three of four years after his conversion to being a Jehovah's Witness)

I think it was influenced by JW values.

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1. As mentioned before, the fact he was a womanizer, it's the #1 reason why I try not to read about his personal life anymore. He sings so many songs about falling in love and love being so great but his personal life didn't really reflect that. Like I get it's just music but he actually writes those lyrics and composes the music and everything. (I didn't fall in love with his music because of the romantic lyrics though SO )

2. Him becoming a JW. All the songs that were never performed because of this.

3. The Rave era.

4. There's probably a few more but can't think of them right now

Mumio said:

Guitarhero said:

Am going to let the guy rest in peace.

Lol, the last thing I'm going to do is trash Prince on prince.org. Especially now. There's a lot of people out there that do or say things I don't like or agree with but I don't need to put it out there on a public forum, especially a fan forum So I guess you could say this whole thread is a turn off for me.

[Edited 9/10/16 12:51pm]

In no way was my intention to bash P., or disrespect the man, who I devoted so much time and love in my life to. It's more because we've all watched him so closely for so long, there were complexities to the man that at times, at first glance, I found hard to follow. Hoping by shining light on it, among those truly in the know, to understand better. With love, always.

oliviacamron said:

I want to jump to his defense a little. I think Prince had trouble really loving a woman fully . I think he had this trouble because his mother abandoned . He had walls up. His mother did not teach him love and trust. Another thing I think, Prince was so intelligent, after a while ,if the woman no where near matches his intellect, he would get bored with her

Maybe these women all set the goal of being the "one" as enjoying the challenge as much as the popularity.