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rusty1

Albert Magnoli still saying Prince wrote 100 songs for Purple Rain

There was a Purple Rain screening the other night & Albert Mangnoli
Still claims Prince wrote 100 songs for the movie.
He has said this over & over again..
If this is true, I want that released right away.
That would be the holy grail of A Prince release.
he was at the height of his musical powers.
Do people here think this is really true or not?
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Reply #1 posted 08/30/16 6:05pm

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Who knows.. id be happy if they released 15/20 out of the so called 100 tracks


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Reply #2 posted 08/30/16 6:06pm

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If he really was as 'prolific' as a lot of people have said, I could easily see him pumping out a song every day or two during production of the movie. It is possible under those circumstances. Remember, he was writing for The Time, Apollonia 6 (Vanity 6), and the Revolution AT THE SAME TIME. Yeah, he probably did.

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Reply #3 posted 08/30/16 6:17pm

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He wrote them during the time they were filming or just before. Meaning, he was always writing, so i can't see him writing just for the film. I think some songs just fit the mold of what they were doing. Does The Vault or DMSR cover that many tunes in 1982 and 1983? I've not dug my out lately to see.

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Reply #4 posted 08/30/16 6:24pm

luvsexy4all

so that means WB owns the rights to distribute the motherf'ers..... with co-approval of his estate.....right??????

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Reply #5 posted 08/30/16 6:38pm

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rusty1 said:

There was a Purple Rain screening the other night & Albert Mangnoli
Still claims Prince wrote 100 songs for the movie.
He has said this over & over again..
If this is true, I want that released right away.
That would be the holy grail of A Prince release.
he was at the height of his musical powers.
Do people here think this is really true or not?


I saw him say it years ago in an interview and it seemed truthful to me. But as someone else said here, I believe he had most of them written already.
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Reply #6 posted 08/30/16 6:50pm

luvgirl

rusty1 said:

There was a Purple Rain screening the other night & Albert Mangnoli
Still claims Prince wrote 100 songs for the movie.
He has said this over & over again..
If this is true, I want that released right away.
That would be the holy grail of A Prince release.
he was at the height of his musical powers.
Do people here think this is really true or not?


I like your assertiveness lol
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Reply #7 posted 08/30/16 7:42pm

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He also said that he has cassettes of the songs last night.

And the 100 songs previewed were not specific to the movie plot which is why they were not used.

He said that many times they would tell Prince what type of song was needed for certain scenes and a day later he would call and say "here it is"

Apollonia said she too has a cassette of unreleased music

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Reply #8 posted 08/30/16 9:48pm

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luvsexy4all said:

so that means WB owns the rights to distribute the motherf'ers..... with co-approval of his estate.....right??????


Not really. If he wrote something and didn't release it, he owns it. If WB released it via his order (like a single, or an album), then they owned it.

It's why Crystal Ball was out on its own. He owned those songs because most were previously unreleased by WB. That includes remixes, and re-records.

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Reply #9 posted 08/31/16 3:43am

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rusty1 said:

There was a Purple Rain screening the other night & Albert Mangnoli Still claims Prince wrote 100 songs for the movie. He has said this over & over again.. If this is true, I want that released right away. That would be the holy grail of A Prince release. he was at the height of his musical powers. Do people here think this is really true or not?

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He also claims that 90 of them are unreleased, despite saying earlier that HE ONLY LISTENED TO TWENTY OR SO.

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Reply #10 posted 08/31/16 3:47am

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roxy831 said:

If he really was as 'prolific' as a lot of people have said, I could easily see him pumping out a song every day or two during production of the movie. It is possible under those circumstances. Remember, he was writing for The Time, Apollonia 6 (Vanity 6), and the Revolution AT THE SAME TIME. Yeah, he probably did.

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Sigh... Gotta love people just posting without looking at the facts.

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FACT: Magnoli claims this happened before the August 3 concert.

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FACT: There isn't a single studio recording known of a PR track prior to the August 3 concert. Well, except for a barely recognisable demo of Baby I'm A Star.

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FACT: Prince did not have 100 outtakes at that time. (Wanna claim he did? Fine, look through The Vault etc. and present a list.)

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Reply #11 posted 08/31/16 3:49am

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Iamtheorg said:

He also said that he has cassettes of the songs last night.

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Which he claims are in storage. You'd think that he would have made a list of those 100 songs ages ago, but apparently not a single journalist ever challenged this ridiculous claim of his.

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And the 100 songs previewed were not specific to the movie plot which is why they were not used.

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And the ones he chose were?

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He said that many times they would tell Prince what type of song was needed for certain scenes and a day later he would call and say "here it is"

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Yet another contradiction of his own story!

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Reply #12 posted 08/31/16 3:55am

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TrivialPursuit said:

luvsexy4all said:

so that means WB owns the rights to distribute the motherf'ers..... with co-approval of his estate.....right??????


Not really. If he wrote something and didn't release it, he owns it. If WB released it via his order (like a single, or an album), then they owned it.

It's why Crystal Ball was out on its own. He owned those songs because most were previously unreleased by WB. That includes remixes, and re-records.

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This is disputed by Alan Leeds, and looking at what is usually present on other artists' deluxe editions I'd also guess that works made while under contract with WBR would be subject to their approval. Prince did a lot of shady stuff in 1998-2001 WRT some Warner-era material and stopped doing that suddenly, suggesting that at a certain point Warners were getting fed up with him and told him to cease releasing material they owned.

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And sorry, but a remix doesn't make a song suddenly brand-new. Matter of fact, artists are even restricted from re-recording their own songs for X years after a contract ends to avoid situations where they'd release a "greatest hits" with re-recordings that would devalue the material owned by their previous record company.

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Reply #13 posted 08/31/16 3:57am

hw3004

I tend to think it's a bit of an exaggeration but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. Springsteen allegedly recorded somewhere in the region of 80 songs for Born In The USA...so I'd use that as context to at least allow for the possibility the claim is true.

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Reply #14 posted 08/31/16 5:17am

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BartVanHemelen said:

roxy831 said:

If he really was as 'prolific' as a lot of people have said, I could easily see him pumping out a song every day or two during production of the movie. It is possible under those circumstances. Remember, he was writing for The Time, Apollonia 6 (Vanity 6), and the Revolution AT THE SAME TIME. Yeah, he probably did.

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Sigh... Gotta love people just posting without looking at the facts.

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FACT: Magnoli claims this happened before the August 3 concert.

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FACT: There isn't a single studio recording known of a PR track prior to the August 3 concert. Well, except for a barely recognisable demo of Baby I'm A Star.

.

FACT: Prince did not have 100 outtakes at that time. (Wanna claim he did? Fine, look through The Vault etc. and present a list.)

Why the hell would you even come to me (us) with that kind of response? eek Was YOUR ass there????

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Reply #15 posted 08/31/16 6:59am

Noodled24

This is old news? Magnoli has said this previously. I believe in one of the Prince documentaries and IIRC it's mentioned in "Possessed".

Purple Rain, The Time, Vanity - that's 30 songs.

I don't believe Prince wrote 100 songs and every single one of them was written with the intention of inclusion in Purple Rain.

It's not hard to believe that by the time Prince was compiling the tracklist for Purple Rain he had a bank of 100 songs that could have been used.

I don't think it's beyond Prince to have presented outtakes from the past few albums to Magnoli as songs he'd "written for Purple Rain".


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Reply #16 posted 08/31/16 7:01am

scorp84

He said he still has the physical cassette tapes, so that's what it is.

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Reply #17 posted 08/31/16 7:14am

EnDoRpHn

roxy831 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Sigh... Gotta love people just posting without looking at the facts.

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FACT: Magnoli claims this happened before the August 3 concert.

.

FACT: There isn't a single studio recording known of a PR track prior to the August 3 concert. Well, except for a barely recognisable demo of Baby I'm A Star.

.

FACT: Prince did not have 100 outtakes at that time. (Wanna claim he did? Fine, look through The Vault etc. and present a list.)

Why the hell would you even come to me (us) with that kind of response? eek Was YOUR ass there????

Showing their a$$ comes naturally for certain people here.

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Reply #18 posted 08/31/16 7:25am

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100 songs is just like saying "a ton of songs" - He had a big stock of unreleased songs by that point already and was recording a lot by 1982/3, for his own projects and others. It's not a comment I take literally, end of story as far as I'm concerned.

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Reply #19 posted 08/31/16 7:39am

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100 songs on the top the of 300+ songs Shela E mentioned they did together in a recent interview. The dude just never stopped.

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Reply #20 posted 08/31/16 7:43am

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rusty1 said:

There was a Purple Rain screening the other night & Albert Mangnoli Still claims Prince wrote 100 songs for the movie. He has said this over & over again.. If this is true, I want that released right away. That would be the holy grail of A Prince release. he was at the height of his musical powers. Do people here think this is really true or not?


Could easily be true, Prince is known for recording multiple songs in a single day, he could have easily popped out 100 of them specifically for purple rain, doesn't mean he did, just means he could have.

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Reply #21 posted 08/31/16 7:50am

CynicKill

I wonder if there's an alternate track to Purple Rain just in case Journey decided it was too similiar to "Faithfully". My guess is yes.

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Reply #22 posted 08/31/16 8:10am

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Noodled24 said:



It's not hard to believe that by the time Prince was compiling the tracklist for Purple Rain he had a bank of 100 songs that could have been used.


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Yet nobody's ever managed to compile such a list. Those early years are well-documented, so why don't people stop talkign about hypotheticals and look at the evidence?

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Reply #23 posted 08/31/16 8:11am

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NouveauDance said:

100 songs is just like saying "a ton of songs" - He had a big stock of unreleased songs by that point already and was recording a lot by 1982/3, for his own projects and others. It's not a comment I take literally, end of story as far as I'm concerned.

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He's repeatedly said this number, and now he has added that they listened to 20, and that 90 of those 100 are still unreleased.

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Reply #24 posted 08/31/16 8:23am

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It's probably a figure of speech,
and even if Prince did, we know by now that not everything from the Vault
stands the test of time. Far from it.

From a fan/completist point of view, listening to a sketch is always interesting.
But it's not necessarily a good song.

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No Child's a failure
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Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #25 posted 08/31/16 8:28am

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BartVanHemelen said:

NouveauDance said:

100 songs is just like saying "a ton of songs" - He had a big stock of unreleased songs by that point already and was recording a lot by 1982/3, for his own projects and others. It's not a comment I take literally, end of story as far as I'm concerned.

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He's repeatedly said this number, and now he has added that they listened to 20, and that 90 of those 100 are still unreleased.



Who cares?

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Reply #26 posted 08/31/16 9:24am

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BartVanHemelen said:

rusty1 said:

There was a Purple Rain screening the other night & Albert Mangnoli Still claims Prince wrote 100 songs for the movie. He has said this over & over again.. If this is true, I want that released right away. That would be the holy grail of A Prince release. he was at the height of his musical powers. Do people here think this is really true or not?

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He also claims that 90 of them are unreleased, despite saying earlier that HE ONLY LISTENED TO TWENTY OR SO.

Bart I have always respected your opinions on here. You always seem to know exactly what your are talking about. You know your prince stuff!!!

With that said....What do you think is Prince's best unreleased stuff? And what is your favorite Prince Era?

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Reply #27 posted 08/31/16 9:56am

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BartVanHemelen said:



FACT: Prince did not have 100 outtakes at that time. (Wanna claim he did? Fine, look through The Vault etc. and present a list.)



The vault isn't the be all and end all. There are loads of omissions and errors in there
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Reply #28 posted 08/31/16 11:25am

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was there a studio version of purple rain??

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Reply #29 posted 08/31/16 12:02pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

Iamtheorg said:

He also said that he has cassettes of the songs last night.

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Which he claims are in storage. You'd think that he would have made a list of those 100 songs ages ago, but apparently not a single journalist ever challenged this ridiculous claim of his.

.

.

And the ones he chose were?

.

He said that many times they would tell Prince what type of song was needed for certain scenes and a day later he would call and say "here it is"

.

Yet another contradiction of his own story!

Yes, Im agree. Magnoli is bullshittin. He even mentioned that this is where the lore of the vault began. Yeah, right.

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