oliviacamron said:

derrick31 said:

NinaB said:

Almost 4 months of this shite drugs, aids, cancer, liver disease...

The family could end this all with one sit down interview and talk about what happened to Prince.....if they even know.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

mjscarousal said:

This is completely unnessesary. Why do they need to unseal these documents? How will this help with the function and business of the Prince Estate? Even if he did have a Will at the time of his divorce the divorce is over 10 years ago so how can the judge prove without a reasonable doubt that everything in a 10 year old Will is what he wanted? Its possible 10 years later he could have changed his mind. Just seems pointless.

Reasonable doubt is only used for criminal cases.

Also, the Will is not in the Divorce filings.

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Thanks I know that but whatever they find will be useless now because without Prince consent how would it be helpful? I think its ridiculous because it breaks Prince privacy.

DollyDagger said:

mjscarousal said:

This is completely unnessesary. Why do they need to unseal these documents? How will this help with the function and business of the Prince Estate? Even if he did have a Will at the time of his divorce the divorce is over 10 years ago so how can the judge prove without a reasonable doubt that everything in a 10 year old Will is what he wanted? Its possible 10 years later he could have changed his mind. Just seems pointless.

I love your closing quote more than life!!!!

Thanks,

rogifan said:

NinaB said:

In almost 40 years we've only got ONE street drug story. The E 28 years ago. Seems some would love it if he was bang on drugs for years. I don't look down on people battling drug addiction. I do have a problem with untruths. Everything points towards a struggle with pain & pain management.

I'm from Minneapolis, and there were stories about him being addicted to cocaine back in the day.

JudasLChrist said:

NinaB said:

In almost 40 years we've only got ONE street drug story. The E 28 years ago. Seems some would love it if he was bang on drugs for years. I don't look down on people battling drug addiction. I do have a problem with untruths. Everything points towards a struggle with pain & pain management.

I'm from Minneapolis, and there were stories about him being addicted to cocaine back in the day.

In the film 'Lemmy', Lemmy talks about being a dealer for Prince and Hendrix way back. TBH I don't care one way or another, if he was or wasn't on drugs, if they were for pain or pleasure. I always thought Prince was the ultimate entertainer - I have never presupposed to know a damn thing about him privately.

NinaB said:

rogifan said:

Don't forget murder.

...& suicide. & knowing he was gonna die at 57 & purposely leaving no will.

Or that P planned it in 1986 when he wrote "Sometimes It Snows In April". & the date of 4/21!

maplenpg said:

JudasLChrist said:

I'm from Minneapolis, and there were stories about him being addicted to cocaine back in the day.

In the film 'Lemmy', Lemmy talks about being a dealer for Prince and Hendrix way back. TBH I don't care one way or another, if he was or wasn't on drugs, if they were for pain or pleasure. I always thought Prince was the ultimate entertainer - I have never presupposed to know a damn thing about him privately.

I don't believe it, maybe to Big Chick or the others around him who were taking coke but I will never believe it of Prince without hard evidence. He was too much of a control freak for drugs.

leadline said:

RainbowGranny said:

Krystalkisses said:

rogifan said:

wavesofbliss said:

oliviacamron said:

I assumed it was Mayte that had the gene because she later adopted right? I assume since Mayte wanted to have a child she would have given birth to one after her divorce to Prince.

the syndrome is not heriditary. it wasn't either one's fault. mayte adopted because she couldn't find someone to have a baby with. i can't figure why P didn't have kids in 5 yrs he was married to mt.

My understanding is that it is hereditary, its a dominant autosomal condition...meaning you only need one gene from one parent to get it, but that gene doesn't need to be inherited itself, and results from a mutation in one of the parents. Either P or Mayte carry it, and I do suspect it was P...b/c he really wanted kids, and the fact he didn't try again raises questions...

derrick31 said:

LuxLove said:

maplenpg said:

In the film 'Lemmy', Lemmy talks about being a dealer for Prince and Hendrix way back. TBH I don't care one way or another, if he was or wasn't on drugs, if they were for pain or pleasure. I always thought Prince was the ultimate entertainer - I have never presupposed to know a damn thing about him privately.

I don't believe it, maybe to Big Chick or the others around him who were taking coke but I will never believe it of Prince without hard evidence. He was too much of a control freak for drugs.

IIRC Lemmy was talking about dope not coke and anyway it was back in the Seventies. I see no reason for him to lie. However, it is doubtful any of us will ever know the real truth. I want to think Prince was clean living but when you think about him doing a full concert and then an aftershow afterwards regularly, would it really be so surprising if he had something to help him through?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll never know the truth, whatever the divorce records say, so we should enjoy him for what he was to us and the music he gave us. Makes no difference to me what the hell he did in his spare time (and this includes that he may have been cheating etc...). I'm just thankful I was around to enjoy it.

maplenpg said:

laurarichardson said:

Krystalkisses said:

Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. Actually it makes a lot of sense what you said. In addition to that ,I remember reading in Possessed that people were saying in the ninties Prince was having problems with Percocet and in the late 90s it was getting really bad and people were concerned because his dark side was taking over more and more. I'm paraphrasing, I'm not trying to gossip but I just wanted to add that because it does add some support to your theory that he would have had to have built up a tolorance for painkillers to not appear out of it. Whether that part in the book is true or not, Prince's behavior did seem really odd/erratic at times in the 90s, you have to admit.

/-/ I read Possessed and I do not recall anything in that book about Percocet. The first time this was mentioned was from TMZ when the plane landed and then it went to Fentanyl 😳. We are hearing from multiple sources that he pain for s long period of time.

Ok, I actually had to look it up in the book, cuz I know I read it and it was on page 241, but the book says Percodan not percocet which might be a derivitive, i don't know for sure.

laurarichardson said:

maplenpg said:

IIRC Lemmy was talking about dope not coke and anyway it was back in the Seventies. I see no reason for him to lie. However, it is doubtful any of us will ever know the real truth. I want to think Prince was clean living but when you think about him doing a full concert and then an aftershow afterwards regularly, would it really be so surprising if he had something to help him through?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we'll never know the truth, whatever the divorce records say, so we should enjoy him for what he was to us and the music he gave us. Makes no difference to me what the hell he did in his spare time (and this includes that he may have been cheating etc...). I'm just thankful I was around to enjoy it.

// Do you believe Prince knew Lemmy back in the 70's !!! I bet Lemmy got Prince mixed up with Sly Stone 😌 In addition, it was said by Prince and many people who worked with him that he had terrible insommia and you still cannot explain how he got all that work done high for over 35 years it would be some sort of magic for him to pull that off.

There are plenty of threads about Prince and drugs from when he was alive - all I'm trying to say is that whatever this document says will not change my opinion of the man and his music. Only those in his very close circles knew the man personally, the rest is mere speculation.

jayseajay said:

wavesofbliss said:

the syndrome is not heriditary. it wasn't either one's fault. mayte adopted because she couldn't find someone to have a baby with. i can't figure why P didn't have kids in 5 yrs he was married to mt.

My understanding is that it is hereditary, its a dominant autosomal condition...meaning you only need one gene from one parent to get it, but that gene doesn't need to be inherited itself, and results from a mutation in one of the parents. Either P or Mayte carry it, and I do suspect it was P...b/c he really wanted kids, and the fact he didn't try again raises questions...

With a dominant condition (e.g. achondroplasia/dwarfism), the parent who has the dominant gene expresses the condition and has a 50% chance of passing it to their offspring. The mutation could also arise randomly in the production of any one egg or sperm. If neither P nor Mayte had Pfieffer themselves then it was a one off random mutation and there was no more chance of it happening again than with anyone else.

As for the post about Narcan not working against Fentanyl, it was my understanding that it does e.g.

A fast-acting antidote to fentanyl and other opioids is available in a take-home kit for B.C. users

Naran wouldn't be totally blocking the effect of opioids for 3 days or more, it has a short half life of a few hours.

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As to not being impaired in ANY way on pain meds - I notice impairments of my relative (e.g. more sleepy, memory is worse, moods fluctuate depending on how close to new patch/pills etc), but you would have to know the person very well for it to be obvious. This describes someone managing their pain medications very effectively though, not someone who is abusing them to the extent that they OD twice in a week.

silentdaisy said:

I know you all don't know me - I've been a lurker for a long time loving all the P talk but until now I haven't had enough expertise in anything to comment. I've been a critical care nurse for the last 15 years - so I know quite a bit about pain meds. None of us knows for sure what health issues P had - and he was such a meticulously private man I think that's how he wanted it. The man chose to go on Oprah pretending everything was fine after his son died - so it seems that he'd go to great lengths to show a strong face. Fentanyl patches are a totally normal doctor-prescribed treatment for chronic pain. They would NEVER be prescribed for mild or short-term pain. A patient would have to be no longer getting pain relief from any other source in order to have these. For that reason I have to conclude that P did have chronic pain issues and had been treated for that for a long time. Anyone who's been on pain medication therapy for a very long time would never appear impaired in any way.

There are still an awful lot of assumptions being made. I wish people wouldn't fill in the gaps with their own life history and talk about it as fact. We don't know where he got the Fentanyl from and how long he was using it for. We don't know if he OD'd on the plane or if his ill health in the months before was due to withdrawal. We certainly don't know about drug use stretching back to the 80s - but we do know about one E tab. If he was abusing drugs for decades (rather than trying the odd thing) he sure did an impressive job of hiding it. Even if he just managed to hide all the evidence of pain management (e.g. pills, patches, prescriptions, pain etc) from those around him it is extraordinary.

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Anyway, there is still some hope that Mani and the family can block access to any personal details of the divorce. I don't get why it is anyone else's business but theirs.

Krystalkisses said:

Krystalkisses said:

Krystalkisses said:

laurarichardson said:

Krystalkisses said: /-/ I read Possessed and I do not recall anything in that book about Percocet. The first time this was mentioned was from TMZ when the plane landed and then it went to Fentanyl 😳. We are hearing from multiple sources that he pain for s long period of time.

Ok, I actually had to look it up in the book, cuz I know I read it and it was on page 241, but the book says Percodan not percocet which might be a derivitive, i don't know for sure.

Percodan is oxycodone. My grandmother, (who was very wholesome goody-goody who never drank) was addicted to that drug for a short while. They had to wing her off it. (she had been dealing with severe back pain)

COuld Prince have been addicted in the 90's due to pain (he was in his late 30's and had been dancing for 15 years)? Sure. It does make sense. But he would have had to have been an off and on again addict. Otherwise, he would have been dead a long time ago. Maybe, Larry Graham and JW's did help him deal with his addiction. I hate to say that since I find Larry a bit irritating but it would make sense. And then he regained his addiction later in life when his physical pain became too overwhelming again. This is all possible and would explain how a lot of people didn't see him take drugs (because he was literally drug free for years.).

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jayseajay said:

wavesofbliss said:

the syndrome is not heriditary. it wasn't either one's fault. mayte adopted because she couldn't find someone to have a baby with. i can't figure why P didn't have kids in 5 yrs he was married to mt.

My understanding is that it is hereditary, its a dominant autosomal condition...meaning you only need one gene from one parent to get it, but that gene doesn't need to be inherited itself, and results from a mutation in one of the parents. Either P or Mayte carry it, and I do suspect it was P...b/c he really wanted kids, and the fact he didn't try again raises questions...

Proof? It's a gene mutation--look it up on Wikipedia.

JudasLChrist said:

It's bad but if people don't feed into this mess they won't make money. That's what it's all about.