Waiting4Fall said:

Maybe his self esteem needed the floor model. I dunno.

MT reminds me of V in looks, but that's about it. Pretty, from the same tribe as V but no personality.

V definitely had her shortcomings, but she definitely had a personality.

I think V gave P a run for his money and he never got over her. I dunno that it was true love or soulmates or whatever, but I do think that there was an undeniable magnetic attraction between V & P.

I liked him with her, but I think MG was better for him in terms of the innocence of their relationship. V was a female version of P and just as jaded in many ways. MG was an innocent spirit.

MT, on the other hand...I get a calculating manipulative opportunistic vibe from her. I could certainly be wrong, but there's something about her that doesn't sit well with me.

I dunno if P was "in love" with her. I think he was emotionally running away from MG and the tragedy that they both went through. I think his emotional immaturity had him choose MT as a way to not be alone, not have to work at converting a new gal to his new way of life...it was a no brainer type of thing...he was attracted, opportunity existed, I'll just go with this situation and forget. I think MT could only keep up her end of the facade for so long when it became clear that P wasn't going to risk another tragic attempt at becoming a father and that was the final straw to break the camel's back for MT...so she divorced P.

I think he didn't want to be alone so he didn't want the divorce.

Of course, this is simply my over active imagination and has no basis in any personal information or knowledge on my part about the situation.

I'm simply speaking from the standpoint of an observer of over 55 years of life.

No bashing, no shade.
[Edited 8/17/16 20:49pm]

I think his later partners weren't as intelligent, or had as much personality/spunk as the earlier ones. I'm thinking of Susan, Jill, Sheila, Troy, Susannah, Vanity etc. I remember Alan Leeds also spoke on that change. Somewhere around 88-90 there was a change. Also in how he treated the post Rev band members & staff/team, kept more at arms length.
I saw Mayte up close back in the day, there was a vain, bratty element. All the talk of her being his true love etc baffles me tbh. There were plenty other women in the stable right up 2 the marriage, which she knew about (She did what she was told. Whole scene with the 2 of them was a bit weird at the time actually). Then within aprox 2 yrs of marriage, or less, there's other women again.
Another thing peep don't mention often is Mani was on the scene during his parents last years & when they passed...
Another profound change took place after they died 6 months apart.
[Edited 8/17/16 21:51pm]

NinaB said:

Yet another reason for P not to want to be alone. So much loss.

I think, even in a crowded room, that P was always the loneliest person in that room. I think he spent a lifetime being lonely because of his "artistic" nature and personality. The feeling of being IN a group, but never really feeling a part of that group.

So he created his own world, inside a purple bubble...where he could control the population and politics and other variables. What he failed to realize at the time was that to populate his idyllic purple world, he needed humans and humans come with their own baggage and their own beliefs and values and experienc especially and their own truth...and you can only control so much when dealing with them.

LBrent said:

Yes, very vulnerable time. She was with him during his Dad's alziemers & Mom's kidney transplant etc...
I agree, I do think life humbled him as he got older (like it does most, if u stick around long enough) & there were signs of him connecting with others in a more healthy way & being more at ease in himself. Least I hope so. Being rich & famous from so young can't help but alter you too. Plus he was a genius. Gotta be isolating. Who'd u trust?

nursev said:

ACharmed1 said:

Aw goodnight, pleez tell me ppl aren't gonna start this again. Or try 2 bring nurse down again becuz of her profession. U should start charging 4 medical advice nurse.

it's cool...but imma need all my coins from all u mofos org noting me asking me "what's wrong with this bump I got"

NinaB said:

I think his later partners weren't as intelligent, or had as much personality/spunk as the earlier ones. I'm thinking of Susan, Jill, Sheila, Troy, Susannah, Vanity etc. I remember Alan Leeds also spoke on that change. Somewhere around 88-90 there was a change. Also in how he treated the post Rev band members & staff/team, kept more at arms length. I saw Mayte up close back in the day, there was a vain, bratty element. All the talk of her being his true love etc baffles me tbh. There were plenty other women in the stable right up 2 the marriage, which she knew about (She did what she was told. Whole scene with the 2 of them was a bit weird at the time actually). Then within aprox 2 yrs of marriage, or less, there's other women again. Another thing peep don't mention often is Mani was on the scene during his parents last years & when they passed... Another profound change took place after they died 6 months apart. [Edited 8/17/16 21:51pm]

I keep hearing stuff like that. Was there something she was doing 2 give that impression?

NinaB said:

I saw Mayte up close back in the day, there was a vain, bratty element. All the talk of her being his true love etc baffles me tbh. [Edited 8/17/16 21:51pm]

I used to work with a few of Prince's former security team, who worked for Prince in the early to mid 90s. (Actually one of they guys was one of Mayte's bodygaruds) but I distinctly remember one of them telling me that Carmen was a "sweetheart" and Mayte was "a fucking brat". He really did not seem to like her at all.

ACharmed1 said:

Hard 2 put it down 2 one specific thing. How she carried herself & behaved... Also I knew someone, I can't really go into it on here, I heard stuff. 6 degrees & all that, but this was more like 2 degrees.

Krystalkisses said:

Yeah, I hear u

ACharmed1 said:

BTW, I missed whatever drama made you leave, but I'm glad you're ok and back here where you belong.

I agree. Becoming rich and famous so young, but staying in his hometown I think he thought he could just carry on with his childhood friends with the only difference being that now he had the luxury of buying a nice house, car and clothes.

The problem is that some childhood friends will suddenly feel entitled to his money and resources and become leeches. Others will feel uncomfortable and not want him to feel like they want something from him. In an article in Rolling Stone after he had 1999 as a hit, he said he missed friends who used to just drop by to hang out and he thought that they thought that their dropping by was disturbing him.

So fame and fortune lost him loved ones early on, whether for good or bad reasons.

Add to that the times he spent in Hollywood making music and the fake friends he acquired there who likely made old childhood friends feel outdated and out of their league and they probably felt like he didn't need or want them around the glitterati.

Regardless, his purple world became a big lonely existence in PP. Until later years when it seems that he was able to reconnect with a small group of aspiring talent who truly like him for him, despite the lure of what he might be able to do for their careers.
[Edited 8/18/16 0:10am]

...high view count on this thread

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Hi Patrick, I'm in SC too. I ain't going to that but I'm waiting for PP to become a museum then I'll make my long long trip

LBrent said:

ACharmed1 said:

BTW, I missed whatever drama made you leave, but I'm glad you're ok and back here where you belong. I agree. Becoming rich and famous so young, but staying in his hometown I think he thought he could just carry on with his childhood friends with the only difference being that now he had the luxury of buying a nice house, car and clothes. The problem is that some childhood friends will suddenly feel entitled to his money and resources and become leeches. Others will feel uncomfortable and not want him to feel like they want something from him. In an article in Rolling Stone after he had 1999 as a hit, he said he missed friends who used to just drop by to hang out and he thought that they thought that their dropping by was disturbing him. So fame and fortune lost him loved ones early on, whether for good or bad reasons. Add to that the times he spent in Hollywood making music and the fake friends he acquired there who likely made old childhood friends feel outdated and out of their league and they probably felt like he didn't need or want them around the glitterati. Regardless, his purple world became a big lonely existence in PP. Until later years when it seems that he was able to reconnect with a small group of aspiring talent who truly like him for him, despite the lure of what he might be able to do for their careers. [Edited 8/18/16 0:10am]

I thought I read somewhere that the Rev used to hang out and were friends, but eventually, to speak with Prince, they had to use alternate channels (managers, body guards, etc.). Some interview with Wendy and Lisa mentioned this. Maybe Prince pushed some people away?

LBrent said:

I agree. Only differ on the later day kids he surrounded himself with (not all, some were cool). The team he had (up 2 he got rid of everyone around Emancipation) was with him a long time. Many from b4 he became a superstar. Lot of professional, mature, down 2 earth folks who were real with him. Loved him & didn't see him as a older man/come up.

Waiting4Fall said:

Yeah, stories of having 2 go thru Chick, Fargonolli etc. Still, they weren't kept at arms length as much as those who came after.

Hey y’all the funky doc is spilling:

http://www.stitcher.com/p...oplay=true

Think we all need to brace ourselves. I hate this shit!

ETA: Oh & Dr. if you hang out here & see this or your friends report back there is a difference between not wanting your music posted on YouTube & using YouTube to watch clips of upcoming musicians - it's not a contradiction, Prince wasn't totally anti YT.

[Edited 8/18/16 0:39am]

LuxLove said:

Can u give bullet points? An hour of him ain't appealing.

NinaB said:

Krystalkisses said:

I used to work with a few of Prince's former security team, who worked for Prince in the early to mid 90s. (Actually one of they guys was one of Mayte's bodygaruds) but I distinctly remember one of them telling me that Carmen was a "sweetheart" and Mayte was "a fucking brat". He really did not seem to like her at all.

Yeah, I hear u

.

Just like it did with Prince, I do think life (and loss) humbled Mayte over the years. I can see the brattiness in the first pictures of her, but with time, she did become nicer and sweeter.

Heidi said:

I think u may be right. She didn't always come off 2 well on that reality show tho. She does good work 4 animals, I respect that & seems lovely with her little girl.

NinaB said:

LuxLove said:

Hey y’all the funky doc is spilling:

http://www.stitcher.com/p...oplay=true

Think we all need to brace ourselves. I hate this shit!

Can u give bullet points? An hour of him ain't appealing.

Struggling through it myself, not a fan of the guy at all.

He's confirmed Prince stopped talking to Manuela & they were living apart which forced her to file for divorce. Says she's very fiesty & there may well be negative stuff in the papers about Prince. He says we need to be prepared for it. Also mentions that Manuela reached out to Prince via him regarding the school in Dec/Jan. He's very pro Manuela, anti ST and said something about ST becoming like a gossip rag or something like that- can't remember verbatim but my first thought was "so are you Dr!"

He also shaded 'new' Prince fans for comments they make on his facebook or something like that. They are not 'real' fans. Oh & he said very little about the memorial.

There's probably more but difficult to listen because I get so annoyed

LuxLove said:

Thanks. I'm listening but keep wool gathering & having 2 rewind

LBrent said:

ACharmed1 said:

BTW, I missed whatever drama made you leave, but I'm glad you're ok and back here where you belong. I agree. Becoming rich and famous so young, but staying in his hometown I think he thought he could just carry on with his childhood friends with the only difference being that now he had the luxury of buying a nice house, car and clothes. The problem is that some childhood friends will suddenly feel entitled to his money and resources and become leeches. Others will feel uncomfortable and not want him to feel like they want something from him. In an article in Rolling Stone after he had 1999 as a hit, he said he missed friends who used to just drop by to hang out and he thought that they thought that their dropping by was disturbing him. So fame and fortune lost him loved ones early on, whether for good or bad reasons. Add to that the times he spent in Hollywood making music and the fake friends he acquired there who likely made old childhood friends feel outdated and out of their league and they probably felt like he didn't need or want them around the glitterati. Regardless, his purple world became a big lonely existence in PP. Until later years when it seems that he was able to reconnect with a small group of aspiring talent who truly like him for him, despite the lure of what he might be able to do for their careers. [Edited 8/18/16 0:10am]

Eh? U mean me or nurse? I had my own incident where I left 4 a bit but, it sounds like nurse did 2 I guess? Anymore it seems like the smallest thing U say offends some1 in some way, shape or form. Or what U say gets so mangled it isn't even what U said. Shit storms flyin all over the place yo.

Eh. Well, I missed all of whatever happened. Doesn't matter. The important thing is ya'll are back here where ya'll belong.

:hugs:

ACharmed1 said:

LBrent said:

ACharmed1 said: BTW, I missed whatever drama made you leave, but I'm glad you're ok and back here where you belong. I agree. Becoming rich and famous so young, but staying in his hometown I think he thought he could just carry on with his childhood friends with the only difference being that now he had the luxury of buying a nice house, car and clothes. The problem is that some childhood friends will suddenly feel entitled to his money and resources and become leeches. Others will feel uncomfortable and not want him to feel like they want something from him. In an article in Rolling Stone after he had 1999 as a hit, he said he missed friends who used to just drop by to hang out and he thought that they thought that their dropping by was disturbing him. So fame and fortune lost him loved ones early on, whether for good or bad reasons. Add to that the times he spent in Hollywood making music and the fake friends he acquired there who likely made old childhood friends feel outdated and out of their league and they probably felt like he didn't need or want them around the glitterati. Regardless, his purple world became a big lonely existence in PP. Until later years when it seems that he was able to reconnect with a small group of aspiring talent who truly like him for him, despite the lure of what he might be able to do for their careers. [Edited 8/18/16 0:10am]

Eh? U mean me or nurse? I had my own incident where I left 4 a bit but, it sounds like nurse did 2 I guess? Anymore it seems like the smallest thing U say offends some1 in some way, shape or form. Or what U say gets so mangled it isn't even what U said. Shit storms flyin all over the place yo.

[Edited 8/18/16 1:13am]

For others who want cliff notes he also said Manuela has been pretty private, is not a celeb in her own right & wants no part of any of that- this has taken a lot out of her. Tamar was interviewed by lawyers as part of the divorce.

Dr. is friends with Manuela, but she knows he is Team Prince

For some reason he felt it necessary to mention the pfeiffer syndrome. I think that should be left well alone.

He's saying that maybe things she said at the time (of the divorce) in anger & frustration, may put P (& her) in a bad light. Also mentions the possibility of her not being able 2 have kids with him. Says the Trib is looking 4 dirt, that it's nothing 2 do with them looking 4 info on the estate & will. Also said Jon Bream is digging 4 dirt 4 his new book.
[Edited 8/18/16 1:32am]

NinaB said:

ACharmed1 said:

I keep hearing stuff like that. Was there something she was doing 2 give that impression?

Hard 2 put it down 2 one specific thing. How she carried herself & behaved... Also I knew someone, I can't really go into it on here, I heard stuff. 6 degrees & all that, but this was more like 2 degrees.

Ah gotcha.

Take more than a few facety noobs 2 get rid of my girl V.

LuxLove said:

For others who want cliff notes he also said Manuela has been pretty private, is not a celeb in her own right & wants no part of any of that- this has taken a lot out of her. Tamar was interviewed by lawyers as part of the divorce.

Dr. is friends with Manuela, but she knows he is Team Prince

For some reason he felt it necessary to mention the pfeiffer syndrome. I think that should be left well alone.

Thanks 4 the link. I'm trying 2 listen now never have listened 2 his podcast before. Does he always sound like he's rollin on valium? "4 those of U on valium..." I ain't gonna lie this hard 2 get thru 4 multiple reasons.

LuxLove said:

NinaB said:

He's saying that maybe things she said at the time in anger & frustration, may put him in a bad light. Also mentions the possibility of her not being able 2 have kids with him. Says the Trib is looking 4 dirt, that it's nothing 2 do with them looking 4 info on the estate & will. Also said Jon Bream is digging 4 dirt 4 his new book.

I wonder if it has it ever been confirmed that Mani had a miscarrige or was that all in the rumor mill? This whole thing is so disgusting ppl crawling around like rats 2 cash in on this anyway possible. I knew this was gonna happen and I think it's gonna get worse before it get's better.