BillieBalloon said:

lwr001 said:

seriously, how do you know what he did? because thats what he said? Just curious..you saw him eat, not use a cell phone,,..he didnt do drugs yet dies of a self administered fentynal patch..get a grip,, od on a airplance days earlier that it had to make a precipitous drop and get on ground wthin minutes or he would have died..yet no drugs

This is why I'm not convinced it was Epilepsy. I have witnessed seizures firsthand and 99% of the time they ate not life threatening. I mean, you wouldn't need to land a plane in 17mins for them. You just have to be aware of common sense things like not biting the tongue etc.

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You can have seizures that cause stiring and then collaspe these are not always epllitic. Some people just have seizures .I have a family member dealing with this right now. If Judith or Kirk had no idea what was going on it would make sense just to land the plane and get him some help.

What I am confused about is the Narcon. If Judith did not know what was going on with him why was Narcon used? Do paramedics use it to revive people when they do not know they are unconsious? Do we have any proof beyond TMZ that Narcon was used on him by the paramedics?

So many things we do not know

THIS GUY WAS FADED

laurarichardson said:

Do paramedics use it to revive people when they do not know they are unconsious? Do we have any proof beyond TMZ that Narcon was used on him by the paramedics?

So many things we do not know

No surely Narcon is not used usually. They do that when person is hyperventilated,unconscious and of course they do some testing to determine why the bood pressure is low. If it's obvious that's it's "med/drug" related they give Narcon, which again helps just for an hour max, so it just helped him to get home so to speak. I mean it was obvious Prince was in severe danger. The same thing happened to him when he was alone. Of course Kirk and everyone else knew he was on meds, just use your rational brain.

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I finally read the actual court papers. Damn, there is no such thing as right to privacy. They (ST) are looking for anything and everything. So in 30-days, everybody will be able to cast their lots and see if they are right. And from the looks of it, everybody might just be right to some degree.

lwr001 said:

THIS GUY WAS FADED

What is this from?

LuxLove said:

morningsong said:

teach49 said:

lwr001 said:

THIS GUY WAS FADED

What is this from?

It's been circulating forever, especially around these parts. It's been explained that this was an all night filming everybody was exhausted, hence the red eyes. And it was left at that.

Between him leaving the hospital and the new doc to arrive he should have been constantly monitored, even at home cause any interaction with any other med could have caused another collapse. Instead, dude took the death pill and did a party. This is so irresponsible and I think he had no idea of the danger he was in cause he had no close doc to monitor him, even if he had (somebody must have been prescribing those meds to him), something went wrong there.

I believe it was irrational behaviour both of his doc and Prince himself to do that party. After the party he collapsed.

morningsong said:

I finally read the actual court papers. Damn, there is no such thing as right to privacy. They (ST) are looking for anything and everything. So in 30-days, everybody will be able to cast their lots and see if they are right. And from the looks of it, everybody might just be right to some degree.

Wow.

Yeah, when you die there is no right to privacy anymore. You can even find old SSNs online from dead people, and I've always thought that was a bit dicey.

That's why Mani is the only one who can fight it because she's still alive and still has that right. But it also proves they are not coming after her. They want info on Prince. I wonder what they're working on, though. Often reporters will cast a wide net, but that doesn't mean they don't have an angle. It's just that it could change based on what they find so they don't want to commit.

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teach49 said:

morningsong said:

I finally read the actual court papers. Damn, there is no such thing as right to privacy. They (ST) are looking for anything and everything. So in 30-days, everybody will be able to cast their lots and see if they are right. And from the looks of it, everybody might just be right to some degree.

Wow.

Yeah, when you die there is no right to privacy anymore. You can even find old SSNs online from dead people, and I've always thought that was a bit dicey.

That's why Mani is the only one who can fight it because she's still alive and still has that right. But it also proves they are not coming after her. They want info on Prince. I wonder what they're working on, though. Often reporters will cast a wide net, but that doesn't mean they don't have an angle. It's just that it could change based on what they find so they don't want to commit.

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That's the thing, all the reasonings she's given for how this will affect her life have been shot down, and her "right to privacy" is basically irrelevant. If it can happen to them it can happen to us.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

teach49 said:

What is this from?

It's been circulating forever, especially around these parts. It's been explained that this was an all night filming everybody was exhausted, hence the red eyes. And it was left at that.

I see. From his hairstyle, it looks like the 80s.

I will not speculate on his drug use. I'm going with pain management leading to dependency gone tragically awry until there is evidence to the contrary from credible sources.

I do believe the specific cause of death is fentanyl OD. There's no reason for the ME to make that up. But it doesn't tell us how he got to that place, specifically. We may never know for sure.

RachB65 said:

LuxLove said:

I'm amazed at how frequently conjecture appears as a statement of fact on the org

Im quite curious why this would b of so much interest to ST as to hire a lawyer to have it unsealed, even if its true. Just for a story?

lets see, he is a local international superstar who died yet people around him are givnig bs,scripted answers (he never did drugs etc ) yet dies of an OD..Its a public interest story...They are the press, its what they do..Prince is not special nor should he recveive preferential treatment, period..

BillieBalloon said:

laurarichardson said:

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You can have seizures that cause stiring and then collaspe these are not always epllitic. Some people just have seizures .I have a family member dealing with this right now. If Judith or Kirk had no idea what was going on it would make sense just to land the plane and get him some help.

What I am confused about is the Narcon. If Judith did not know what was going on with him why was Narcon used? Do paramedics use it to revive people when they do not know they are unconsious? Do we have any proof beyond TMZ that Narcon was used on him by the paramedics?

So many things we do not know

Do you honestly think Kirk did not know what was going on? Judith did or didn't I don't know. But Kirk sure did. Isn't the first point of call for someone not breathing to get them breathing again? We don't know what kind of state P was in on the plane. Kirk could have done mouth to mouth and got him breathing again. I know that the fact that he came round after the Narcan shots means he was breathing but unconscious because after 17 minutes of no oxygen to the brain the chances are that you are not going to survive.

Judith must've known if she claims to have given people a heads up things were worse before she flew off to wherever.

morningsong said:

teach49 said:

What is this from?

It's been circulating forever, especially around these parts. It's been explained that this was an all night filming everybody was exhausted, hence the red eyes. And it was left at that.

here we go ,, this is why ST wants the shit unsealed so folks can stop with the fucking scripted narrative...that dude is faded..and guess what,,its ok for him to be

morningsong said:

teach49 said:

Wow.

Yeah, when you die there is no right to privacy anymore. You can even find old SSNs online from dead people, and I've always thought that was a bit dicey.

That's why Mani is the only one who can fight it because she's still alive and still has that right. But it also proves they are not coming after her. They want info on Prince. I wonder what they're working on, though. Often reporters will cast a wide net, but that doesn't mean they don't have an angle. It's just that it could change based on what they find so they don't want to commit.

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That's the thing, all the reasonings she's given for how this will affect her life have been shot down, and her "right to privacy" is basically irrelevant. If it can happen to them it can happen to us.

You are right that it is the disturbing part. We'll see what her lawyers do with this. They may only be able to protect a little bit of her privacy, but anything that Prince had to disclose will be released (things he brought to the marriage, etc.).

OzlemUcucu said:

Between him leaving the hospital and the new doc to arrive he should have been constantly monitored, even at home cause any interaction with any other med could have caused another collapse. Instead, dude took the death pill and did a party. This is so irresponsible and I think he had no idea of the danger he was in cause he had no close doc to monitor him, even if he had (somebody must have been prescribing those meds to him), something went wrong there.

I believe it was irrational behaviour both of his doc and Prince himself to do that party. After the party he collapsed.

Yep, he should have been under some 24/7 care, but he refused. Why? God only knows.

OzlemUcucu said:

laurarichardson said:

So many things we do not know

No surely Narcon is not used usually. They do that when person is hyperventilated,unconscious and of course they do some testing to determine why the bood pressure is low. If it's obvious that's it's "med/drug" related they give Narcon, which again helps just for an hour max, so it just helped him to get home so to speak. I mean it was obvious Prince was in severe danger. The same thing happened to him when he was alone. Of course Kirk and everyone else knew he was on meds, just use your rational brain.

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It has nothing do with rational brain. Until both of them say we knew he was on something when we were on that plane we know nothing. I also have spoken to a paramedic who said that Narcon is given to people who are unconsicious even if they do not know it is an OD it depends on the state. We do not have his medical records from Moline only TMZ fodder and Judith Hill's interview.

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teach49 said:

lwr001 said:

THIS GUY WAS FADED

What is this from?

Chuck Slater never mentioned anything about it and what does that have to do with 2016.

LuxLove said:

BillieBalloon said:

laurarichardson said: Do you honestly think Kirk did not know what was going on? Judith did or didn't I don't know. But Kirk sure did. Isn't the first point of call for someone not breathing to get them breathing again? We don't know what kind of state P was in on the plane. Kirk could have done mouth to mouth and got him breathing again. I know that the fact that he came round after the Narcan shots means he was breathing but unconscious because after 17 minutes of no oxygen to the brain the chances are that you are not going to survive.

Judith must've known if she claims to have given people a heads up things were worse before she flew off to wherever.

Well by the time they got back to Minneapolis she would have known what was happening.

laurarichardson said:

teach49 said:

What is this from?

Chuck Slater never mentioned anything about it and what does that have to do with 2016.

pattern of behavior and or nothing at all...i just like the pictures actually

laurarichardson said:

OzlemUcucu said:

No surely Narcon is not used usually. They do that when person is hyperventilated,unconscious and of course they do some testing to determine why the bood pressure is low. If it's obvious that's it's "med/drug" related they give Narcon, which again helps just for an hour max, so it just helped him to get home so to speak. I mean it was obvious Prince was in severe danger. The same thing happened to him when he was alone. Of course Kirk and everyone else knew he was on meds, just use your rational brain.

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It has nothing do with rational brain. Until both of them say we knew he was on something when we were on that plane we know nothing. I also have spoken to a paramedic who said that Narcon is given to people who are unconsicious even if they do not know it is an OD it depends on the state. We do not have his medical records from Moline only TMZ fodder and Judith Hill's interview.

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I've heard paramedics state this as well. They don't need to know for sure that you're OD'ing. If you are unconscious and they don't know why they will administer it. Apparently it doesn't hurt someone who isn't ODing and if they are the medics don't have much time to dilly dally about it.

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lwr001 said:

morningsong said:

It's been circulating forever, especially around these parts. It's been explained that this was an all night filming everybody was exhausted, hence the red eyes. And it was left at that.

here we go ,, this is why ST wants the shit unsealed so folks can stop with the fucking scripted narrative...that dude is faded..and guess what,,its ok for him to be

So, a divorce document in 2006 has a connection to a 1983-ish film shoot? Not seeing the straight line there.

lwr001 said:

morningsong said:

It's been circulating forever, especially around these parts. It's been explained that this was an all night filming everybody was exhausted, hence the red eyes. And it was left at that.

here we go ,, this is why ST wants the shit unsealed so folks can stop with the fucking scripted narrative...that dude is faded..and guess what,,its ok for him to be

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WTF

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

Chuck Slater never mentioned anything about it and what does that have to do with 2016.

pattern of behavior and or nothing at all...i just like the pictures actually

Then you never read what Mr. Slater said about them working all night long. Having seen some of the stills it looks like he had a smoke machine going at full blast.

morningsong said:

lwr001 said:

here we go ,, this is why ST wants the shit unsealed so folks can stop with the fucking scripted narrative...that dude is faded..and guess what,,its ok for him to be

So, a divorce document in 2006 has a connection to a 1983-ish film shoot? Not seeing the straight line there.

Because there is no straight line. We have entered the Org Zone. Don't you hear the Twilght Zone music off in the distance.

laurarichardson said:

teach49 said:

What is this from?

Chuck Slater never mentioned anything about it and what does that have to do with 2016.

Not to be dense, but who is Chuck Slater?

I'm sure the point is that if he was high when this photo was taken, it means he used drugs when he said he didn't.

I personally think what he did in the 70s and 80s is irrelevant. The truth is that none of us knows for sure how, where, when or if he used illicit drugs. He came out to say he didn't like them, which does suggest he at least tried them at some point. But it doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

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teach49 said:

laurarichardson said:

It has nothing do with rational brain. Until both of them say we knew he was on something when we were on that plane we know nothing. I also have spoken to a paramedic who said that Narcon is given to people who are unconsicious even if they do not know it is an OD it depends on the state. We do not have his medical records from Moline only TMZ fodder and Judith Hill's interview.

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I've heard paramedics state this as well. They don't need to know for sure that you're OD'ing. If you are unconscious and they don't know way they will administer it. Apparently it doesn't hurt someone who isn't ODing and if they are the medics don't have much time to dilly dally about it.

Yes, this had troubled me since I found out about it.

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

pattern of behavior and or nothing at all...i just like the pictures actually

Then you never read what Mr. Slater said about them working all night long. Having seen some of the stills it looks like he had a smoke machine going at full blast.

i read it , please stop.. however, i dont take anyone just at their word; too many have lied in the past.. So, my narrative will be he was faded and once again thats ok