laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

Prince bodyguard up to the day he died speaks

https://www.youtube.com/w...B0gJahFJ2A

He is saying what dozens of other people who interacted with Prince on a day to day basis.

No way was he completly wacked out. It is obvious he was trying to beat it and it got to him.

More critical thinking? I don't think it working very well.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

im asking, you have boxed yourself into a corner saying there is no way yet evidence ponts to something else

please share the evidence that points to drug use in the 90's

Please read Alex hahns book,, it lays it out..you share the evidence that he didnt

laurarichardson said:

Do anyone see him using drugs in the 90s??? Was he arrested and I missed it? We have no way of knowing. I know he was rail thin, wearing ugly clothes and possibly commiting carreer suicide with the symbol business but he seemed snap out it quickly. This guy showed the public the image he wanted to show for whatever project he was working on at the time per Alan Leeds. I have always believed he had health issues and I always believed some of it was mental. I kind of thought he got on the right kind of meds after 96 and even better ones in the early 2000s.

Talk about speculation??? Mental health issues and the right kind of meds????

Mumio said:

Good, I'm glad information is coming out. There must be something there that is relevant and there's been way too much secrecy surrounding his death already.

I know this won't be a popular opinion but I don't care if others here like it or not. I'm tired of all the bs we've been fed.

You are looking for a conspiracy that doesnt exist. You have been fed no BS. He died of an overdose. Nothing you find out will make you feel better.

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

please share the evidence that points to drug use in the 90's

Please read Alex hahns book,, it lays it out..you share the evidence that he didnt

I am sure you could provide some summary points from the book, I am too busy reading about critical thinking at the moment.

DarkKnight1 said:

Mumio said:

Good, I'm glad information is coming out. There must be something there that is relevant and there's been way too much secrecy surrounding his death already.

I know this won't be a popular opinion but I don't care if others here like it or not. I'm tired of all the bs we've been fed.

You are looking for a conspiracy that doesnt exist. You have been fed no BS. He died of an overdose. Nothing you find out will make you feel better.

yep

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Do anyone see him using drugs in the 90s??? Was he arrested and I missed it? We have no way of knowing. I know he was rail thin, wearing ugly clothes and possibly commiting carreer suicide with the symbol business but he seemed snap out it quickly. This guy showed the public the image he wanted to show for whatever project he was working on at the time per Alan Leeds. I have always believed he had health issues and I always believed some of it was mental. I kind of thought he got on the right kind of meds after 96 and even better ones in the early 2000s.

Talk about speculation??? Mental health issues and the right kind of meds????

yes, every post she creates a new disorder that Prince had.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

Please read Alex hahns book,, it lays it out..you share the evidence that he didnt

I am sure you could provide some summary points from the book, I am too busy reading about critical thinking at the moment.

I'm sure there are those on here who can tell you the exact pages in which to read

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lwr001 said:

leadline said:

I am sure you could provide some summary points from the book, I am too busy reading about critical thinking at the moment.

critical think your way to barnes and noble ,..

very creative

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

critical think your way to barnes and noble ,..

very creative

i know, cheesy i actually deleted it..lol

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Do anyone see him using drugs in the 90s??? Was he arrested and I missed it? We have no way of knowing. I know he was rail thin, wearing ugly clothes and possibly commiting carreer suicide with the symbol business but he seemed snap out it quickly. This guy showed the public the image he wanted to show for whatever project he was working on at the time per Alan Leeds. I have always believed he had health issues and I always believed some of it was mental. I kind of thought he got on the right kind of meds after 96 and even better ones in the early 2000s.

Talk about speculation??? Mental health issues and the right kind of meds????

May right to do so. You do not have to read anything that I post. Although I am not surprised on this board to find people who think he was a raving doper for 30 years and cannot accept the idea that he might have had some mental issues.

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

He is saying what dozens of other people who interacted with Prince on a day to day basis.

No way was he completly wacked out. It is obvious he was trying to beat it and it got to him.

More critical thinking? I don't think it working very well.

Not for you as far as I can see.

leadline said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Talk about speculation??? Mental health issues and the right kind of meds????

yes, every post she creates a new disorder that Prince had.

No I am giving my opinion and I was responding to the previous person who seems to know that Prince was on drugs in the 90s. They are good to say that crap and I cannot say what I think.

GTFOOH

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

very creative

i know, cheesy i actually deleted it..lol

You know where you can shove the your comments.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Talk about speculation??? Mental health issues and the right kind of meds????

May right to do so. You do not have to read anything that I post. Although I am not surprised on this board to find people who think he was a raving doper for 30 years and cannot accept the idea that he might have had some mental issues.

It is your right, as it is mine to call you out on ridiculous posts

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

i know, cheesy i actually deleted it..lol

You know where you can shove the your comments.

Uh oh, I seem to have struck a nerve, it is ok Laura, when the profanity and name calling starts, it just backs up my argument even more.

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

You know where you can shove the your comments.

Uh oh, I seem to have struck a nerve, it is ok Laura, when the profanity and name calling starts, it just backs up my argument even more.

Get your eyes fixed did not spell out one profane word. You have decided that you are the thought police of the Org. Get in touch with reality because you are not. I will continue say what I please if you do not like it do yourself a favor and do not read it.

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

May right to do so. You do not have to read anything that I post. Although I am not surprised on this board to find people who think he was a raving doper for 30 years and cannot accept the idea that he might have had some mental issues.

It is your right, as it is mine to call you out on ridiculous posts

Try adding something to the coversation or would that require actual thought.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

Uh oh, I seem to have struck a nerve, it is ok Laura, when the profanity and name calling starts, it just backs up my argument even more.

Get your eyes fixed did not spell out one profane word. You have decided that you are the thought police of the Org. Get in touch with reality because you are not. I will continue say what I please if you do not like it do yourself a favor and do not read it.

Nobody is telling you cannot say what you please, by all means, please keep the wonderful posts coming, we are all learning a great deal from them. We all leave ourselves open for criticism when we post, that is the nature of a forum based on open discussion. If being called out on what you post really gets you this heated, whether the person calling you out is correct, or incorrect, well, it says more about you than anyone else.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

It is your right, as it is mine to call you out on ridiculous posts

Try adding something to the coversation or would that require actual thought.

ooh wow, one point for laura there, amazing dig......

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

Get your eyes fixed did not spell out one profane word. You have decided that you are the thought police of the Org. Get in touch with reality because you are not. I will continue say what I please if you do not like it do yourself a favor and do not read it.

Nobody is telling you cannot say what you please, by all means, please keep the wonderful posts coming, we are all learning a great deal from them. We all leave ourselves open for criticism when we post, that is the nature of a forum based on open discussion. If being called out on what you post really gets you this heated, whether the person calling you out is correct, or incorrect, well, it says more about you than anyone else.

What gets me heated is someone who adds nothing to the convesation. Cannot accept others opinions without constructive critisim or critical thought. You added nothing but smart ass retorts even those were not interesting. Now I am going to get back on the topic. You go have a nice day.

anangellooksdown said:

I can't believe this. But that's the law, I guess. It seems some private details will be kept private. http://m.startribune.com/...390211731/

It will be interesting to see how far the Tribune goes with this if Bremmer appeals. It will give us an idea of just how hell bent they are on getting the documents.

Genesia said:

Waiting4Fall said:

at anyone taking wikipedia as gospel. Hint: It isn't.

Pfeiffer syndrome can be either inherited or caused by a gene mutation. The below is from rarediseases.org (emphasis mine):

Pfeiffer syndrome is an autosomal dominant genetic disorder. Dominant genetic disorders occur when only a single copy of an abnormal gene is necessary to cause a particular disease. The abnormal gene can be inherited from either parent or can be the result of a new mutation (gene change) in the affected individual. Essentially all cases of Pfeiffer syndrome type II and type III have resulted from new mutations. Advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk for new mutations for Pfeiffer syndrome. The risk of passing the abnormal gene from an affected parent to offspring is 50% for each pregnancy. The risk is the same for males and females.

The other very interesting thing is that the risk of passing the abnormal gene is 50% for each pregnancy. It has long been my theory that the reason for Prince and Mani's divorce was infertility or a known genetic defect on his part. There were rumors back in the NPGMC days that she had suffered at least one miscarriage while married to Prince. That is certainly plausible - back when she was starting her In A Perfect World charity, she made several mentions of wanting a better world for her children. And yet, those children never materialized while she was married to Prince.

50% is only if one of them had Pfieffer. They didn't so it would be unlikely to happen again.

Pfieffer - characterized by premature fusion of certain skull bones (craniosynostosis), and abnormally broad and medially deviated thumbs and great toes. Most affected individuals also have differences to their midface (protruding eyes)

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Sorry about mentioning the Ketamine. Not in a million years do I think P got on the plane and took K to sit down to his meal with JH. I was trying to say she was describing something she had seen, not making it up. Her description reminded me exactly of a response to Ketamine. To others she was describing epilepsy. I've never seen epilepsy starting with a blank stare and ending with a long period (20 minutes or more) unconsciousness - but maybe others have. It is just that she was definitely not describing Fentanyl or Oxy/Percocet OD so what was going on? Her account (like the chef and bodyguard) doesn't seem to fit the story being given. I don't want to speculate why it doesn't.

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All I am really saying is that if this was just P not managing his pain meds very well then not only did this become evident in a very sudden dramatic fashion (the plane detour, hospital stay, party, the save your prayers, the doctors being called in from out of state with drugs in a backpack, the elevator etc), the accounts of those that were around him just didn't seem to fit simply with the accounts of pain med problems. Then family and friends were still saying there was never any drug use. Why would they say that in April if they knew he was misusing his meds?

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It seems that the more they talk about it the more strange it all becomes.

sunset3121 said:

How do you know? Did they share the results of their genetic testing with you?

lwr001 said:

This is why I'm not convinced it was Epilepsy. I have witnessed seizures firsthand and 99% of the time they are not life threatening. I mean, you wouldn't need to land a plane in 17mins for them. You just have to be aware of common sense things like not biting the tongue etc.
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Genesia said:

sunset3121 said:

50% is only if one of them had Pfieffer. They didn't so it would be unlikely to happen again.

How do you know? Did they share the results of their genetic testing with you?

I'm amazed at how frequently conjecture appears as a statement of fact on the org

sunset3121 said:

Genesia said:

50% is only if one of them had Pfieffer. They didn't so it would be unlikely to happen again.

Pfieffer - characterized by premature fusion of certain skull bones (craniosynostosis), and abnormally broad and medially deviated thumbs and great toes. Most affected individuals also have differences to their midface (protruding eyes)

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Sorry about mentioning the Ketamine. Not in a million years do I think P got on the plane and took K to sit down to his meal with JH. I was trying to say she was describing something she had seen, not making it up. Her description reminded me exactly of a response to Ketamine. To others she was describing epilepsy. I've never seen epilepsy starting with a blank stare and ending with a long period (20 minutes or more) unconsciousness - but maybe others have. It is just that she was definitely not describing Fentanyl or Oxy/Percocet OD so what was going on? Her account (like the chef and bodyguard) doesn't seem to fit the story being given. I don't want to speculate why it doesn't.

.

All I am really saying is that if this was just P not managing his pain meds very well then not only did this become evident in a very sudden dramatic fashion (the plane detour, hospital stay, party, the save your prayers, the doctors being called in from out of state with drugs in a backpack, the elevator etc), the accounts of those that were around him just didn't seem to fit simply with the accounts of pain med problems. Then family and friends were still saying there was never any drug use. Why would they say that in April if they knew he was misusing his meds?

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It seems that the more they talk about it the more strange it all becomes.

It is strange and people just do not want to see it. I have someone in my family who is having seziures and what Judith describes sounds like the seziures they are expering. Doctor Drew even said what she described might have been a seziure not an opiod overdoes. He also said that people usually do not OD on the pain pills but usually when they mix them with other meds or the withdrawals get to people. A lot of things do not add up or make sense. I do think that we will find out something soon just because the investigation is real quiet and is taking so long.

laurarichardson said:

I think Dr. Drew said that before the medical examiner's report came out. But I do remember seeing him on CNN and he did say what you mention - that people don't typically OD from the painkillers but if they're mixed with something else, like sleeping pills.