Mintchip said:

LuxLove said:

I don't think speculation on the seizure is as bad as speculating on various random drugs simply because Prince himself talked about once having had seizures.

This is not directed at Leadline, this is just a general observation:

It is amazing to see how the media has constructed the story, especially as it's a narrative used previously (and is playing out as expected). So much is subconcious and when you wake up and become conscious enough to realise how the mainstream media works it's as clear as day.

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Disagree. The media has constructed the story that P died of an overdose, because P did in fact die of an overdose. Nothing subconcious to wake up from.

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I've seen ten times more speculation coming from people who can't accept "fentanyl" as the answer they're looking for.

I made no comment on how Prince died, I'm talking about how a story is spun, the way it is told and right now he is seen by most outside of the fandom as a druggie rock star because of how the MSM have told the story. But that's really all I have to say about it.

I hope Manula wins the appeal.

Waiting4Fall said:

jayseajay said:

My understanding is that it is hereditary, its a dominant autosomal condition...meaning you only need one gene from one parent to get it, but that gene doesn't need to be inherited itself, and results from a mutation in one of the parents. Either P or Mayte carry it, and I do suspect it was P...b/c he really wanted kids, and the fact he didn't try again raises questions...

Proof? It's a gene mutation--look it up on Wikipedia.

at anyone taking wikipedia as gospel. Hint: It isn't.

Pfeiffer syndrome can be either inherited or caused by a gene mutation. The below is from rarediseases.org (emphasis mine):

The other very interesting thing is that the risk of passing the abnormal gene is 50% for each pregnancy. It has long been my theory that the reason for Prince and Mani's divorce was infertility or a known genetic defect on his part. There were rumors back in the NPGMC days that she had suffered at least one miscarriage while married to Prince. That is certainly plausible - back when she was starting her In A Perfect World charity, she made several mentions of wanting a better world for her children. And yet, those children never materialized while she was married to Prince.

It would also be a reason for her to fight the release of details of the divorce. Yes, Minnesota is a no-fault state - but that doesn't mean a cause wasn't stated. If she dumped him because they couldn't have children, that would make her look bad - which could also be a reason for stating she might be "harrassed" if the divorce is unsealed.

There is no reason that I can see why his use of painkillers during their marriage would matter a damn to anyone. Her bringing that up is a smokescreen.

Edit: fixed attribution for the quote.

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Mumio said:

Well well, look at that. You've got a good memory.

sunset3121 said:

Well, this is the same cousin who was in an unauthorized P biography in the early 90's....I'm just sayin'

Thanks! I just tried raredisorders.org and it's invalid. Can you please double check it?

Genesia said:

Waiting4Fall said:

at anyone taking wikipedia as gospel. Hint: It isn't.

Pfeiffer syndrome can be either inherited or caused by a gene mutation. The below is from raredisorders.org (emphasis mine):

Pfeiffer syndrome is an autosomal dominant genetic disorder. Dominant genetic disorders occur when only a single copy of an abnormal gene is necessary to cause a particular disease. The abnormal gene can be inherited from either parent or can be the result of a new mutation (gene change) in the affected individual. Essentially all cases of Pfeiffer syndrome type II and type III have resulted from new mutations. Advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk for new mutations for Pfeiffer syndrome. The risk of passing the abnormal gene from an affected parent to offspring is 50% for each pregnancy. The risk is the same for males and females.

The other very interesting thing is that the risk of passing the abnormal gene is 50% for each pregnancy. It has long been my theory that the reason for Prince and Mani's divorce was infertility or a known genetic defect on his part. There were rumors back in the NPGMC days that she had suffered at least one miscarriage while married to Prince. That is certainly plausible - back when she was starting her In A Perfect World charity, she made several mentions of wanting a better world for her children. And yet, those children never materialized while she was married to Prince.

It would also be a reason for her to fight the release of details of the divorce. Yes, Minnesota is a no-fault state - but that doesn't mean a cause wasn't stated. If she dumped him because they couldn't have children, that would make her look bad - which could also be a reason for stating she might be "harrassed" if the divorce is unsealed.

There is no reason that I can see why his use of painkillers during their marriage would matter a damn to anyone. Her bringing that up is a smokescreen.

Edit: fixed attribution for the quote.

[Edited 8/16/16 7:55am]

Waiting4Fall said:

Thanks! I just tried raredisorders.org and it's invalid. Can you please double check it?

Genesia said:

S/b rarediseases.org

You don't start from zero and graduate to fentynal overnight. Don't kid yourselves thinking this was an isolated incident.Based off pictures, there was clearly something going on with him over the last two years that can't be explained away with he is getting old. During the mid 90s, there were periods where you could clearly see he wasn't healthy and it appeared to be drug related. This is someone who if he didn't want to be seen , he could go underground and no one would think anything. I can easily see how he could have been a long time undercover user. Btw, there are many successful people who get high all the time. They know how to do it right

Also, in hindsight, when prince through parties ad would appear only for 2 minutes and dissappear or change his mind and not play etc is classic dope fiend behavior. We wrote it off as him being, difficult, recalcitrant etc. It good have been he was just faded. Anyone else acted like that drugs would have been mentioned immediately

lwr001 said:

Also, in hindsight, when prince through parties ad would appear only for 2 minutes and dissappear or change his mind and not play etc is classic dope fiend behavior. We wrote it off as him being, difficult, recalcitrant etc. It good have been he was just faded. Anyone else acted like that drugs would have been mentioned immediately

You'd better get that hindsight checked.

Why, he clearly died of an overdose yet baring a graphic picture with a needle in his arm most have a hard time believing. Me as well. It breaks my heart

lwr001 said:

//// But he was seen all the time in concerts, in his hometown, and around his staff. He was not hiding in the basement. We all know what he died from no one is saying that is not true. We are saying he may have had other health issues. I will never believe in a million years that got started on this stuff for grins and giggles. I will never-believe he was using this stuff for 30 years and never missed a beat. I believe he had joint pain and may have been on legitimate pain mgmt and things went sideways. I am not going to list reasons because they have been lined out 200 times in a logical manner. I am sure when the Estate is settled we are going to find out more.

lwr001 said:

\\\ I doubt it you have already put a needle in his arm in your mind. Do you know the authospy report said he did not have any marks on him but the long scars on his legs.

purplethunder3121 said:

// Exactly 😳

laurarichardson said:[quote]

lwr001 said:

//// But he was seen all the time in concerts, in his hometown, and around his staff. He was not hiding in the basement. We all know what he died from no one is saying that is not true. We are saying he may have had other health issues. I will never believe in a million years that got started on this stuff for grins and giggles. I will never-believe he was using this stuff for 30 years and never missed a beat. I believe he had joint pain and may have been on legitimate pain mgmt and things went sideways. I am not going to list reasons because they have been lined out 200 times in a logical manner. I am sure when the Estate is settled we are going to find out more.[/q


I agree, something else definitelycould have been going on. Look at the video of him in 2013 giving gyote record of year. Dope, fly, has weight on him , face glowing et . Fast forward a year or two later of him getting off plane in St barts. Nothing else needs to be said. Doesn't appear to be same person. It's just all so heartbreaking .
Auote]

laurarichardson said:

That was an an anology for od it was meant to make the point that even if most saw a needle in his arm we would still not believe

LuxLove said:

/-/ Don't waste your time. No critical thinking.

laurarichardson said:

LuxLove said:

I made no comment on how Prince died, I'm talking about how a story is spun, the way it is told and right now he is seen by most outside of the fandom as a druggie rock star because of how the MSM have told the story. But that's really all I have to say about it.

I hope Manula wins the appeal.

/-/ Don't waste your time. No critical thinking.

Ahh...there's the last word

Yup that's exactly my reading as well, thanks for pointing out that it could have been a mutation which was not inherited, although yes, as you suggest, the circumstantial evidence seems to point against it. Man, I hate the fact he would have really hated this. And also, hello Genesia, it's Jane from popmatters (the missing him got too much, so I decided to come and hang out )

Genesia said:

Waiting4Fall said:

at anyone taking wikipedia as gospel. Hint: It isn't.

Pfeiffer syndrome can be either inherited or caused by a gene mutation. The below is from rarediseases.org (emphasis mine):

Pfeiffer syndrome is an autosomal dominant genetic disorder. Dominant genetic disorders occur when only a single copy of an abnormal gene is necessary to cause a particular disease. The abnormal gene can be inherited from either parent or can be the result of a new mutation (gene change) in the affected individual. Essentially all cases of Pfeiffer syndrome type II and type III have resulted from new mutations. Advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk for new mutations for Pfeiffer syndrome. The risk of passing the abnormal gene from an affected parent to offspring is 50% for each pregnancy. The risk is the same for males and females.

The other very interesting thing is that the risk of passing the abnormal gene is 50% for each pregnancy. It has long been my theory that the reason for Prince and Mani's divorce was infertility or a known genetic defect on his part. There were rumors back in the NPGMC days that she had suffered at least one miscarriage while married to Prince. That is certainly plausible - back when she was starting her In A Perfect World charity, she made several mentions of wanting a better world for her children. And yet, those children never materialized while she was married to Prince.

It would also be a reason for her to fight the release of details of the divorce. Yes, Minnesota is a no-fault state - but that doesn't mean a cause wasn't stated. If she dumped him because they couldn't have children, that would make her look bad - which could also be a reason for stating she might be "harrassed" if the divorce is unsealed.

There is no reason that I can see why his use of painkillers during their marriage would matter a damn to anyone. Her bringing that up is a smokescreen.

Edit: fixed attribution for the quote.

[Edited 8/16/16 7:55am]

[Edited 8/16/16 8:02am]

lwr001 said:[quote]

laurarichardson said:

So, are you saying he didn't abuse during mid 90s. Mind you this takes away nothing from him or his contributions. People say, he was anti drug and his lyrics etc suggest that, true. There are also many preachers through the course of history who have a great disdain for gays yet when the door closes they are fellating the neighborhood kid

jayseajay said:

Yup that's exactly my reading as well, thanks for pointing out that it could have been a mutation which was not inherited, although yes, as you suggest, the circumstantial evidence seems to point against it. Man, I hate the fact he would have really hated this. And also, hello Genesia, it's Jane from popmatters (the missing him got too much, so I decided to come and hang out )

Genesia said:

Wow! Hi, Jane! So glad you joined us. I still go back and read your wonderful essay from time to time.

Prince bodyguard up to the day he died speaks

https://www.youtube.com/w...B0gJahFJ2A

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said:

//// But he was seen all the time in concerts, in his hometown, and around his staff. He was not hiding in the basement. We all know what he died from no one is saying that is not true. We are saying he may have had other health issues. I will never believe in a million years that got started on this stuff for grins and giggles. I will never-believe he was using this stuff for 30 years and never missed a beat. I believe he had joint pain and may have been on legitimate pain mgmt and things went sideways. I am not going to list reasons because they have been lined out 200 times in a logical manner. I am sure when the Estate is settled we are going to find out more.[/q I agree, something else definitelycould have been going on. Look at the video of him in 2013 giving gyote record of year. Dope, fly, has weight on him , face glowing et . Fast forward a year or two later of him getting off plane in St barts. Nothing else needs to be said. Doesn't appear to be same person. It's just all so heartbreaking . Auote]

So, are you saying he didn't abuse during mid 90s. Mind you this takes away nothing from him or his contributions. People say, he was anti drug and his lyrics etc suggest that, true. There are also many preachers through the course of history who have a great disdain for gays yet when the door closes they are fellating the neighborhood kid

Do anyone see him using drugs in the 90s??? Was he arrested and I missed it? We have no way of knowing. I know he was rail thin, wearing ugly clothes and possibly commiting carreer suicide with the symbol business but he seemed snap out it quickly. This guy showed the public the image he wanted to show for whatever project he was working on at the time per Alan Leeds. I have always believed he had health issues and I always believed some of it was mental. I kind of thought he got on the right kind of meds after 96 and even better ones in the early 2000s.

Genesia said:

jayseajay said:

Yup that's exactly my reading as well, thanks for pointing out that it could have been a mutation which was not inherited, although yes, as you suggest, the circumstantial evidence seems to point against it. Man, I hate the fact he would have really hated this. And also, hello Genesia, it's Jane from popmatters (the missing him got too much, so I decided to come and hang out )

Wow! Hi, Jane! So glad you joined us. I still go back and read your wonderful essay from time to time.

I'm superglad to be here, it was getting a little lonely being the only person in my world who had fallen down a Prince-shaped grief tunnel. And that's lovely to hear, thank you

leadline said:

Prince bodyguard up to the day he died speaks

https://www.youtube.com/w...B0gJahFJ2A

He is saying what dozens of other people who interacted with Prince on a day to day basis.

No way was he completly wacked out. It is obvious he was trying to beat it and it got to him.

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said:

//// But he was seen all the time in concerts, in his hometown, and around his staff. He was not hiding in the basement. We all know what he died from no one is saying that is not true. We are saying he may have had other health issues. I will never believe in a million years that got started on this stuff for grins and giggles. I will never-believe he was using this stuff for 30 years and never missed a beat. I believe he had joint pain and may have been on legitimate pain mgmt and things went sideways. I am not going to list reasons because they have been lined out 200 times in a logical manner. I am sure when the Estate is settled we are going to find out more.[/q I agree, something else definitelycould have been going on. Look at the video of him in 2013 giving gyote record of year. Dope, fly, has weight on him , face glowing et . Fast forward a year or two later of him getting off plane in St barts. Nothing else needs to be said. Doesn't appear to be same person. It's just all so heartbreaking . Auote]

So, are you saying he didn't abuse during mid 90s. Mind you this takes away nothing from him or his contributions. People say, he was anti drug and his lyrics etc suggest that, true. There are also many preachers through the course of history who have a great disdain for gays yet when the door closes they are fellating the neighborhood kid

Of course he did not do drugs in the 90's, and probably not in the 21st century either. We are talking about a guy who stayed away from cell phones because he felt the radiation they emitted was harmful (from one of his tweets last year), had an extremely healthy strict diet, etc. There is no indication of drug use in the 90's anywhere.

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leadline said:

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said: So, are you saying he didn't abuse during mid 90s. Mind you this takes away nothing from him or his contributions. People say, he was anti drug and his lyrics etc suggest that, true. There are also many preachers through the course of history who have a great disdain for gays yet when the door closes they are fellating the neighborhood kid

Of course he did not do drugs in the 90's, and probably not in the 21st century either. We are talking about a guy who stayed away from cell phones because he felt the radiation they emitted was harmful (from one of his tweets last year), had an extremely healthy strict diet, etc. There is no indication of drug use in the 90's anywhere.

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seriously, how do you know what he did? because thats what he said? Just curious..you saw him eat, not use a cell phone,,..he didnt do drugs yet dies of a self administered fentynal patch..get a grip,, od on a airplance days earlier that it had to make a precipitous drop and get on ground wthin minutes or he would have died..yet no drugs

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said: So, are you saying he didn't abuse during mid 90s. Mind you this takes away nothing from him or his contributions. People say, he was anti drug and his lyrics etc suggest that, true. There are also many preachers through the course of history who have a great disdain for gays yet when the door closes they are fellating the neighborhood kid

Of course he did not do drugs in the 90's, and probably not in the 21st century either. We are talking about a guy who stayed away from cell phones because he felt the radiation they emitted was harmful (from one of his tweets last year), had an extremely healthy strict diet, etc. There is no indication of drug use in the 90's anywhere.

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only the perc addiction that is widely noted to be true in the 90's

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

Of course he did not do drugs in the 90's, and probably not in the 21st century either. We are talking about a guy who stayed away from cell phones because he felt the radiation they emitted was harmful (from one of his tweets last year), had an extremely healthy strict diet, etc. There is no indication of drug use in the 90's anywhere.

[Edited 8/16/16 9:44am]

seriously, how do you know what he did? because thats what he said? Just curious..you saw him eat, not use a cell phone,,..he didnt do drugs yet dies of a self administered fentynal patch..get a grip,, od on a airplance days earlier that it had to make a precipitous drop and get on ground wthin minutes or he would have died..yet no drugs

If that makes sense to you, by all means, roll with it.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

seriously, how do you know what he did? because thats what he said? Just curious..you saw him eat, not use a cell phone,,..he didnt do drugs yet dies of a self administered fentynal patch..get a grip,, od on a airplance days earlier that it had to make a precipitous drop and get on ground wthin minutes or he would have died..yet no drugs

If that makes sense to you, by all means, roll with it.

im asking, you have boxed yourself into a corner saying there is no way yet evidence ponts to something else

Genesia said:

Waiting4Fall said:

at anyone taking wikipedia as gospel. Hint: It isn't.

Pfeiffer syndrome can be either inherited or caused by a gene mutation. The below is from rarediseases.org (emphasis mine):

Pfeiffer syndrome is an autosomal dominant genetic disorder. Dominant genetic disorders occur when only a single copy of an abnormal gene is necessary to cause a particular disease. The abnormal gene can be inherited from either parent or can be the result of a new mutation (gene change) in the affected individual. Essentially all cases of Pfeiffer syndrome type II and type III have resulted from new mutations. Advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk for new mutations for Pfeiffer syndrome. The risk of passing the abnormal gene from an affected parent to offspring is 50% for each pregnancy. The risk is the same for males and females.

The other very interesting thing is that the risk of passing the abnormal gene is 50% for each pregnancy. It has long been my theory that the reason for Prince and Mani's divorce was infertility or a known genetic defect on his part. There were rumors back in the NPGMC days that she had suffered at least one miscarriage while married to Prince. That is certainly plausible - back when she was starting her In A Perfect World charity, she made several mentions of wanting a better world for her children. And yet, those children never materialized while she was married to Prince.

It would also be a reason for her to fight the release of details of the divorce. Yes, Minnesota is a no-fault state - but that doesn't mean a cause wasn't stated. If she dumped him because they couldn't have children, that would make her look bad - which could also be a reason for stating she might be "harrassed" if the divorce is unsealed.

There is no reason that I can see why his use of painkillers during their marriage would matter a damn to anyone. Her bringing that up is a smokescreen.

Edit: fixed attribution for the quote.

thanks Genesia. i was going by a convo i had about 10yrs ago. i guy i met i grad school was also in grad school mapping human dna. we had many long discussions about birth defects ..... he told about the mutation thing not the other stuff. not his focus of study i guess. he also said that if the mutation presents as Pfieffer than it comes from the dad; if the mutation comes from the mom it presents as "laughing clown syndrome"- like colin farrell's son. so yeah it was P's thing.

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

If that makes sense to you, by all means, roll with it.

im asking, you have boxed yourself into a corner saying there is no way yet evidence ponts to something else

please share with all of us the evidence that points to drug use in the 90's

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