maplenpg said:

Are u talking about Lemmy from motorhead?

zoso1978 said:

maplenpg said:

First I've heard of P smoking weed. He & many others have said he was not into smoking dope.

The chances are that he DID overdose on the plane. (To the poster above called Sunset3121)
Administering not one but two Narcan shots.
Prince "fighting" to get back to consciousness as Judith Hill stated.
Contacting addiction specialists.
Paramedics don't administer Narcan for Epilepsy.

The likelihood is that the plane incident was an an overdose.
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NinaB said:

It must be, I was confused about this too. The idea that Lemmy was Prince's drug dealer is laughable.

purplerabbithole said:

Krystalkisses said:

Ok, I actually had to look it up in the book, cuz I know I read it and it was on page 241, but the book says Percodan not percocet which might be a derivitive, i don't know for sure.

Percodan is oxycodone. My grandmother, (who was very wholesome goody-goody who never drank) was addicted to that drug for a short while. They had to wing her off it. (she had been dealing with severe back pain)

COuld Prince have been addicted in the 90's due to pain (he was in his late 30's and had been dancing for 15 years)? Sure. It does make sense. But he would have had to have been an off and on again addict. Otherwise, he would have been dead a long time ago. Maybe, Larry Graham and JW's did help him deal with his addiction. I hate to say that since I find Larry a bit irritating but it would make sense. And then he regained his addiction later in life when his physical pain became too overwhelming again. This is all possible and would explain how a lot of people didn't see him take drugs (because he was literally drug free for years.).

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I recounted my own experience with Percocet. I am 5'3 and ws not much heavier than P after the surgery when he passed. I took Percocet like Tic Tacs after Gallbladder surgery and I was not able to move. I was frozen to my bed. I then became so constipated I had to go to the emergency room. I think a lot of people on this board are missing the effect the side effects of these drugs can have on your body. It is not just the high of the pain pills. Constipation, vomiting, respiratory problems and harm to your liver and kidneys. How would Prince have been able to travel if he was constipated/vomiting. How would he have been able to get any work done? You have no long down period for him with the exception of making Purple Rain and the four years he did not put out a record from 2010- 2014 even then he was still touring. I firmly believe he was not using pain pills the whole of his life and I believe he probaly had a RX for pain meds at some point and been on some doctor supervised pain management and things went sideways. We already heard from his chef (another person who would have interacted with him on a daily ) that he did not start requesting soups and smooties until January. The chef had nothing but good things to say about his demeanor as well has many people from the last 20 years. How does a drug addict for 20 years maintain a calm demeanor? Too many things do not add up and I am sorry that some of you want to believe everything the media has to say. One of the reason the ST is going after the divorce papers is because they cannot find any dirt on him so now they are going to dig.

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BillieBalloon said:

Boggles the mind. Lemmy was a cool guy tho. My Mum knew him back in the day & he always looked out 4 her.

BillieBalloon said:

NinaB said:

Are u talking about Lemmy from motorhead?

It must be, I was confused about this too. The idea that Lemmy was Prince's drug dealer is laughable.

It is insane and this is the problem with the internet. No critical thinking.

NinaB said:

Cool, yeah people who knew him say he was a nice person.

laurarichardson said:

Also supposedly in the 70s when Prince was a teenager. How bizaare is that.

BillieBalloon said:

laurarichardson said:

It is insane and this is the problem with the internet. No critical thinking.

Also supposedly in the 70s when Prince was a teenager. How bizaare is that.

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Exactly according to Chris Moon Prince did not have enough money sometimes to take the bus to his studio in the 70s. It is no different then the convict who said he was Prince's son. The media was refering to this guy as his son before the DNA test even came back.

Nevermind that they looked nothing alike and that P would not have had the funds to go to St. Louis hook up with some random woman and come back to Minneapolis and get ready to go to New York to sell his demo tapes. Just no reserch and no critical thinking.

BillieBalloon said:

I can imagine him trying it back in the 70's, but having a dealer implies more. Sure kept his pipes in good condition 4 a smoker tho didn't he.

NinaB said:

BillieBalloon said:

Also supposedly in the 70s when Prince was a teenager. How bizaare is that.

I can imagine him trying it back in the 70's, but having a dealer implies more. Sure kept his pipes in good condition 4 a smoker tho didn't he.

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All those drugs from the 70s on and it had no effect on his voice, demeanor, work output, or looks.

He was a real Superman . but hey half the country wants to vote for Donald Trump so what does that tell you about people's smarts today.

laurarichardson said:

NinaB said:

BillieBalloon said: I can imagine him trying it back in the 70's, but having a dealer implies more. Sure kept his pipes in good condition 4 a smoker tho didn't he.

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All those drugs from the 70s on and it had no effect on his voice, demeanor, work output, or looks.

He was a real Superman . but hey half the country wants to vote for Donald Trump so what does that tell you about people's smarts today.

It's frightening.

disch said:

That's the only thing I thought of. But that her husband doesn't know.

laurarichardson said:

I've not commented on the endless speculation & diagnosing since April. Shit's aggravating. I won't be involving myself in this crap again.

This is the bad thing about the Internet. Anyone can say or 'remember' anything and then it gets passed off as fact. We need more critical thinking. And let me say as a fan of bands in the 80s that absolutely abused drugs/alcohol (some have written books about it) it was a well known fact and many times out in the open. This is absolutely not the case with Prince. Just using critical thinking it's pretty easy to debunk rumors of drug use/abuse, especially when coupled with comments from people who knew him and worked with him that have said the man they know didn't use drugs, didn't allow drugs at Paisley. Heck Sheila E. said she never even saw him take an aspirin. There's no way someone supposedly abusing pills or whatever for decades could keep it hidden from everyone. At some point someone would find out or this persons behavior or appearance/health would change to where people would figure it out.

BillieBalloon said:

The chances are that he DID overdose on the plane. (To the poster above called Sunset3121) Administering not one but two Narcan shots. Prince "fighting" to get back to consciousness as Judith Hill stated. Contacting addiction specialists. Paramedics don't administer Narcan for Epilepsy. The likelihood is that the plane incident was an an overdose. [Edited 8/16/16 4:23am]

Chances maybe, but I have had enough of hearing about chances and information from unamed sources and all the contradictory info from friends and family. Chances are that if you die from a Fentanyl overdose you have had serious drug problems for a long time - so why didn't they just say that. Chances are if you need 2 Narcan shots to bring you round you have been taking huge doses and you go into serious withdrawal and are not 'back to your old self' as described by JH. But who is the source of this 2 Narcan shots anyway?

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Paramedics don't administer Narcan for epilepsy - but if they had an unconscious patient with a history of a fixed stare then going unconscious I guess they would administer it for safety's sake before they could even figure out what happened. The fixed stare thing reminded me of Ketamine. Maybe other medication does that too.

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Until those that know are ready to talk honestly and openly about what happend I wish everyone would be quiet.

sunset3121 said:

--- But you just mentioned Ketamine. Which no one has said anything about. We know from Prince's own mouth he had seizures when he was a child. Maybe he had a seizure. We really do not know what happened on that plane or in the Moline hospital. We only know what we were told by TMZ who never name their sources. Leroy the janitor at the hospital could have given the information. We the public would have to see the medical records from the ambulance and hospital to really know what was going on in Illonois. We do not need you adding another drug.

laurarichardson said:

sunset3121 said:

Chances maybe, but I have had enough of hearing about chances and information from unamed sources and all the contradictory info from friends and family. Chances are that if you die from a Fentanyl overdose you have had serious drug problems for a long time - so why didn't they just say that. Chances are if you need 2 Narcan shots to bring you round you have been taking huge doses and you go into serious withdrawal and are not 'back to your old self' as described by JH. But who is the source of this 2 Narcan shots anyway?

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Paramedics don't administer Narcan for epilepsy - but if they had an unconscious patient with a history of a fixed stare then going unconscious I guess they would administer it for safety's sake before they could even figure out what happened. The fixed stare thing reminded me of Ketamine. Maybe other medication does that too.

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Until those that know are ready to talk honestly and openly about what happend I wish everyone would be quiet.

--- But you just mentioned Ketamine. Which no one has said anything about. We know from Prince's own mouth he had seizures when he was a child. Maybe he had a seizure. We really do not know what happened on that plane or in the Moline hospital. We only know what we were told by TMZ who never name their sources. Leroy the janitor at the hospital could have given the information. We the public would have to see the medical records from the ambulance and hospital to really know what was going on in Illonois. We do not need you adding another drug.

adding seizures is just as bad as adding another drug....

disch said:

I sincerely hope that this is the lesson people take away from this tragedy.

leadline said:

// No it is not I am going by the description that Judith Hill gave and the fact that I have people in my own family who have seizures that fit the description. If people can believe TMZ why can't you believe Judith? Critical thinking.

Kara said:

--- The lack of compassion is appalling.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

adding seizures is just as bad as adding another drug....

// No it is not I am going by the description that Judith Hill gave and the fact that I have people in my own family who have seizures that fit the description. If people can believe TMZ why can't you believe Judith? Critical thinking.

Speculation is not critical thinking.

leadline said:

--- My speculation is based off of the comments that came from Judith Hill and what I know about seziures. I am not pulling random drugs out of the air. Go back and read what was said earlier about critical thinking and this whole topic.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

Speculation is not critical thinking.

--- My speculation is based off of the comments that came from Judith Hill and what I know about seziures. I am not pulling random drugs out of the air. Go back and read what was said earlier about critical thinking and this whole topic.

Again, you are adding something that has no basis to be added. It is great you know about seizures, but until there is a shread of evidence pointing towards that, which there is not, it is not critical thinking, it is wild speculation and yeah, just as bad as throwing a new drug in the mix.

We will just have to agree to disagree, unless you need to get the last word in?

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leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

leadline said: --- My speculation is based off of the comments that came from Judith Hill and what I know about seziures. I am not pulling random drugs out of the air. Go back and read what was said earlier about critical thinking and this whole topic.

Again, you are adding something that has no basis to be added. It is great you know about seizures, but until there is a shread of evidence pointing towards that, which there is not, it is not critical thinking, it is wild speculation and yeah, just as bad as throwing a new drug in the mix.

We will just have to agree to disagree, unless you need to get the last word in?

[Edited 8/16/16 7:21am]

Agree to disagree.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

adding seizures is just as bad as adding another drug....

// No it is not I am going by the description that Judith Hill gave and the fact that I have people in my own family who have seizures that fit the description. If people can believe TMZ why can't you believe Judith? Critical thinking.

I don't think speculation on the seizure is as bad as speculating on various random drugs simply because Prince himself talked about once having had seizures.

This is not directed at Leadline, this is just a general observation:

It is amazing to see how the media has constructed the story, especially as it's a narrative used previously (and is playing out as expected). So much is subconcious and when you wake up and become conscious enough to realise how the mainstream media works it's as clear as day.

LuxLove said:

laurarichardson said:

leadline said: // No it is not I am going by the description that Judith Hill gave and the fact that I have people in my own family who have seizures that fit the description. If people can believe TMZ why can't you believe Judith? Critical thinking.

I don't think speculation on the seizure is as bad as speculating on various random drugs simply because Prince himself talked about once having had seizures.

This is not directed at Leadline, this is just a general observation:

It is amazing to see how the media has constructed the story, especially as it's a narrative used previously (and is playing out as expected). So much is subconcious and when you wake up and become conscious enough to realise how the mainstream media works it's as clear as day.

Thank you that is all I was saying. The media mulitation is this case is horrendous.

LuxLove said:

laurarichardson said:

leadline said: // No it is not I am going by the description that Judith Hill gave and the fact that I have people in my own family who have seizures that fit the description. If people can believe TMZ why can't you believe Judith? Critical thinking.

I don't think speculation on the seizure is as bad as speculating on various random drugs simply because Prince himself talked about once having had seizures.

This is not directed at Leadline, this is just a general observation:

It is amazing to see how the media has constructed the story, especially as it's a narrative used previously (and is playing out as expected). So much is subconcious and when you wake up and become conscious enough to realise how the mainstream media works it's as clear as day.

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Disagree. The media has constructed the story that P died of an overdose, because P did in fact die of an overdose. Nothing subconcious to wake up from.

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I've seen ten times more speculation coming from people who can't accept "fentanyl" as the answer they're looking for.