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Reply #30 posted 08/15/16 6:39pm

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I think your heart is in the right place, but as I see it fans supported Prince's endeavors and his family for over 30 years so I think we've done enough.
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Reply #31 posted 08/15/16 7:17pm

YaThink

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lol There is a lot of taxes owed on Paisley Park . I was able to make a payment online on the Carver County website. I paid $20. If a little more than 6000 people do the same , we will have Prince 's tax bill paid .
[Edited 8/13/16 16:38pm]


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Reply #32 posted 08/15/16 9:01pm

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YaThink said:

oliviacamron said:
lol There is a lot of taxes owed on Paisley Park . I was able to make a payment online on the Carver County website. I paid $20. If a little more than 6000 people do the same , we will have Prince 's tax bill paid . [Edited 8/13/16 16:38pm]
<3 Such a kind heart should never need to be explained.

Thank you. I have more of a broken heart than anything. I wish I could go to PP and leave some flowers or something. I'm waiting it out to see if it turns into a museum. prince eye yes fallinluv

I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #33 posted 08/15/16 9:49pm

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oliviacamron said:

YaThink said:

oliviacamron said: <3 Such a kind heart should never need to be explained.

Thank you. I have more of a broken heart than anything. I wish I could go to PP and leave some flowers or something. I'm waiting it out to see if it turns into a museum. prince eye yes fallinluv

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Prince championed music education for young people. Donating to that would probably put a bigger smile on his face than paying the government. Your heart is absolutely in the right place, just not your $20. smile

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Reply #34 posted 08/16/16 2:20am

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Militant said:

Not long after Michael Jackson died, his Estate did a deal worth $500 million dollars with Sony, for the rights to release previously unheard music. That was just one deal. And trust me... Prince has 20x more unreleased music, at least.

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True, but Prince isn't MJ.

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And in terms of back catalogue, whilst MJ's Estate has the huge cash cow that is "Thriller", Prince's Estate has literally 40 albums in the back catalog, MANY of which are multiplatinum.

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And only a few are relevant, i.e. his 1980s output. In fact, the vast amount of existing releases might be a hindrance, since they muddle the waters.

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On top of that - you have massive money earners like Sinead's cover of NC2U, Chaka's cover of I Feel For You, and Manic Monday. Those songs bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties every single year.

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That seems a vastly overrated number.

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My band's manager works with a company called Primary Wave. They did a deal with Courtney Love to represent Nirvana's Estate. Now - bear in mind that Nirvana made just three albums. Just three - Bleach, Nevermind and In Utero. Four if you include the Unplugged album. Trust me - the amount of money they make from the Nirvana catalog would blow your mind.

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True, but prior to his death Prince's catalog wasn't a big seller.

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We could potentially be bearing witness, in 5 years, to seeing kids wearing the Love Symbol on t-shirts no matter where you go in the world. The same way you do with Nirvana and the Rolling Stones.

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Nirvana and the Stones come with a lot of cool that is lacking from Prince's symbol.

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That said, there is plenty of opportunity for money to be made. But billions? You cannot take MJ's numbers and multiply them, because flooding the market with product does the opposite of making money. Sure, Prince has hundreds of outtakes, but how do you present these? Collect them in Frankenstein-albums? Have them remixed to fit the current trends? Neither of those seem like a viable option to me. Deluxe, remastered and expanded albums? Sure, but again you can't flood the market. And such releases require a lot of upfront work, because if you do this badly, chances are you've ruined it for the next couple of releases.

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Reply #35 posted 08/16/16 8:46am

lwr001

oliviacamron said:

panpac777 said:

Paisley park is in your heart!
Thank u 4 posting this and the link.
I just paid $20 by E check.
Let's all pay it off bit by bit fan by fan and show them (estate and family) that not only do we care about Prince, them, and Paisley Park, but that we want it as our memorial home to his legacy. Our Graceland/neverland. Where Prince can see us, and watch over us tributing him. Thank u for all u gave us Prince. We have to show that we want paisley park now and 4ever to carry on his musical legacy. His entire life's work won't be 4gotten!
[Edited 8/13/16 11:19am]

Thank you so much Panpan for your encouraging words. Some other people just don't get it.




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Reply #36 posted 08/16/16 9:05am

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this entire Prince death situation SUCKS! its a nightmare!

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Reply #37 posted 08/16/16 9:13am

RodeoSchro

I think you're a very nice person with a heart that is surely generous. And I sincerely hope you don't read the posts of those here who have to turn every positve into a negative. Those people aren't worth your time.

I am impressed by your thoughtfulness!

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Reply #38 posted 08/16/16 3:42pm

NorthC

RodeoSchro said:

I think you're a very nice person with a heart that is surely generous. And I sincerely hope you don't read the posts of those here who have to turn every positve into a negative. Those people aren't worth your time.

I am impressed by your thoughtfulness!


Hmmm... Being a nice person and having a kind heart doesn't mean everything you do is automatically a good thing! Sometimes you need to THINK about what you're doing before doing it.
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Reply #39 posted 08/16/16 4:56pm

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Militant said:



oliviacamron said:


Militant said:




Yes. I am sure.

Not long after Michael Jackson died, his Estate did a deal worth $500 million dollars with Sony, for the rights to release previously unheard music. That was just one deal. And trust me... Prince has 20x more unreleased music, at least. And in terms of back catalogue, whilst MJ's Estate has the huge cash cow that is "Thriller", Prince's Estate has literally 40 albums in the back catalog, MANY of which are multiplatinum. On top of that - you have massive money earners like Sinead's cover of NC2U, Chaka's cover of I Feel For You, and Manic Monday. Those songs bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties every single year. On top of that, Prince had, what, $30-50 million dollars worth of property, which is all gonna get sold except for Paisley and the Purple Rain house. Hell, the 130 or however many acres on Galpin Blvd is worth $13 million alone.

On top of that you've got movie royalties from sales of Purple Rain, Under The Cherry Moon, SOTT, Graffiti Bridge. It's only a matter of time before we see Blu-Ray releases of Purple Rain Live and Lovesexy Dortmund. You've got the unreleased movies of The Second Coming and 3121/Lotusflow3r in the vault.

The amount of tie-ups that you could do with Prince's catalogue is ridiculous. The amount of sales you could make from previously unreleased music is ridiculous. The amount of publishing royalties is insane.

Prince's Estate, properly managed, once all the legal shit is taken care of, is worth billions. No doubt about it.

My band's manager works with a company called Primary Wave. They did a deal with Courtney Love to represent Nirvana's Estate. Now - bear in mind that Nirvana made just three albums. Just three - Bleach, Nevermind and In Utero. Four if you include the Unplugged album. Trust me - the amount of money they make from the Nirvana catalog would blow your mind.

We could potentially be bearing witness, in 5 years, to seeing kids wearing the Love Symbol on t-shirts no matter where you go in the world. The same way you do with Nirvana and the Rolling Stones. And for those of us who've been on this purple ride for a long time - particularly those of us that remember the early 2000's, pre-Musicology, when nobody was really checking for Prince except us - it's gonna be weird as fuck. But he belongs to everyone now, and if we really want his message to reach as many people as possible, the only way is for them to embrace his legacy through every avenue, and mass-market commotodization is the way they're going to do that.








so Prince can make much much much more money for others now that he is dead? [Edited 8/13/16 16:39pm]



That's how capitalism works especially in the music industry. See : Tupac, Biggie, Lennon, Cobain, Morrison, Elvis, Bob Marley. Michael Jackson.....

Prince knew that himself - see his quote about how all his music would be released somebody, even if he wasn't the one to do it.

But it's not "others" - it's his family. And surely, as fans, we want him to be remembered? I know I do. I want the whole world to know, just as we know, how much of a genius he was, because they damn sure didn't appreciate him enough when he was here. Successful management of the Estate will achieve that - and yes, it will generate a ton of money in the process. You can't have one, without the other.



"Successful management" being the key here. That remains to be seen. A bunch of half and step siblings who maybe don't want any of the fuss, just show me the money. I have more than a few doubts about whether they will all be in agreement on how best to preserve his legacy, memory, or future earnings.
As far as the OP it was a very generous, heartfelt gesture and idea. smile
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Reply #40 posted 08/17/16 4:50am

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sonshine said:

Militant said:


That's how capitalism works especially in the music industry. See : Tupac, Biggie, Lennon, Cobain, Morrison, Elvis, Bob Marley. Michael Jackson......

Prince knew that himself - see his quote about how all his music would be released somebody, even if he wasn't the one to do it.

But it's not "others" - it's his family. And surely, as fans, we want him to be remembered? I know I do. I want the whole world to know, just as we know, how much of a genius he was, because they damn sure didn't appreciate him enough when he was here. Successful management of the Estate will achieve that - and yes, it will generate a ton of money in the process. You can't have one, without the other.


"Successful management" being the key here. That remains to be seen. A bunch of half and step siblings who maybe don't want any of the fuss, just show me the money. I have more than a few doubts about whether they will all be in agreement on how best to preserve his legacy, memory, or future earnings. As far as the OP it was a very generous, heartfelt gesture and idea. smile

Kopplemen's company is well known in the music community. I am sure he will do a good job.

As far as the taxes I am sure the estate will have enough money to pay them and property does not get taken the minute the taxes are past due. You can usually work out payment arrangements. I also remember right after he passed someone on one of the MN newspapers said the state owed him a million in unclaimed money. So I am sure that can be used to help. Trust me Breamer is a wealth managment firm that Prince used for 30 years they know about his business.

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Reply #41 posted 08/17/16 9:57am

lopez568

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Reply #42 posted 08/17/16 10:42am

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oliviacamron said:

lol There is a lot of taxes owed on Paisley Park . I was able to make a payment online on the Carver County website. I paid $20. If a little more than 6000 people do the same , we will have Prince 's tax bill paid .
[Edited 8/13/16 16:38pm]

It is not prince's tax bill. Its the estate's tax bill. Im pretty sure its taken care of. And im pretty sure there are better causes. Its a nice gesture of you, but you ask other people to do the same. I give my money to better causes.
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Reply #43 posted 08/17/16 10:47am

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A lovely gesture indeed, but like others mentioned, it money wasted as the sale of the properties and any leveraging of his catalog will pay for all of that and much more.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #44 posted 08/17/16 2:14pm

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Militant said:



oliviacamron said:


Militant said:




Yes. I am sure.

Not long after Michael Jackson died, his Estate did a deal worth $500 million dollars with Sony, for the rights to release previously unheard music. That was just one deal. And trust me... Prince has 20x more unreleased music, at least. And in terms of back catalogue, whilst MJ's Estate has the huge cash cow that is "Thriller", Prince's Estate has literally 40 albums in the back catalog, MANY of which are multiplatinum. On top of that - you have massive money earners like Sinead's cover of NC2U, Chaka's cover of I Feel For You, and Manic Monday. Those songs bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties every single year. On top of that, Prince had, what, $30-50 million dollars worth of property, which is all gonna get sold except for Paisley and the Purple Rain house. Hell, the 130 or however many acres on Galpin Blvd is worth $13 million alone.

On top of that you've got movie royalties from sales of Purple Rain, Under The Cherry Moon, SOTT, Graffiti Bridge. It's only a matter of time before we see Blu-Ray releases of Purple Rain Live and Lovesexy Dortmund. You've got the unreleased movies of The Second Coming and 3121/Lotusflow3r in the vault.

The amount of tie-ups that you could do with Prince's catalogue is ridiculous. The amount of sales you could make from previously unreleased music is ridiculous. The amount of publishing royalties is insane.

Prince's Estate, properly managed, once all the legal shit is taken care of, is worth billions. No doubt about it.

My band's manager works with a company called Primary Wave. They did a deal with Courtney Love to represent Nirvana's Estate. Now - bear in mind that Nirvana made just three albums. Just three - Bleach, Nevermind and In Utero. Four if you include the Unplugged album. Trust me - the amount of money they make from the Nirvana catalog would blow your mind.

We could potentially be bearing witness, in 5 years, to seeing kids wearing the Love Symbol on t-shirts no matter where you go in the world. The same way you do with Nirvana and the Rolling Stones. And for those of us who've been on this purple ride for a long time - particularly those of us that remember the early 2000's, pre-Musicology, when nobody was really checking for Prince except us - it's gonna be weird as fuck. But he belongs to everyone now, and if we really want his message to reach as many people as possible, the only way is for them to embrace his legacy through every avenue, and mass-market commotodization is the way they're going to do that.








so Prince can make much much much more money for others now that he is dead? [Edited 8/13/16 16:39pm]



That's how capitalism works especially in the music industry. See : Tupac, Biggie, Lennon, Cobain, Morrison, Elvis, Bob Marley. Michael Jackson.....

Prince knew that himself - see his quote about how all his music would be released somebody, even if he wasn't the one to do it.

But it's not "others" - it's his family. And surely, as fans, we want him to be remembered? I know I do. I want the whole world to know, just as we know, how much of a genius he was, because they damn sure didn't appreciate him enough when he was here. Successful management of the Estate will achieve that - and yes, it will generate a ton of money in the process. You can't have one, without the other.




But didn't Prince try to avoid "doing what everybody else is doing?" Tell me to walk the straight line and I put on crooked shoes. Dumb and insensitive commercialisation ( by greedy capitalists) of his image and music must have been a massive fear for him in the event of his death. He didn't even promote his own album releases in latter years.
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Reply #45 posted 08/17/16 2:35pm

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C'mon y'all, not one person has stated the obvious?

The best way to pay tribute to Prince is to donate to one of the charities that were close to his heart:

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
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Reply #46 posted 08/17/16 2:51pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

C'mon y'all, not one person has stated the obvious?

The best way to pay tribute to Prince is to donate to one of the charities that were close to his heart:


BINGO! The money fams feel the need to let go of can be much better used for those still among the living.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #47 posted 08/17/16 2:54pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

C'mon y'all, not one person has stated the obvious?

The best way to pay tribute to Prince is to donate to one of the charities that were close to his heart:







I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #48 posted 08/20/16 1:10pm

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Well. Someone just pointed out to me that in the song Paisley Park is in your heart, Prince says taxes he will still have to pay
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #49 posted 08/21/16 4:43am

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Militant said:



luvgirl said:


Militant said:
Prince's estate is worth millions upon millions of dollars. Potentially billions. I don't really think there's any need for fans to contribute towards the property tax of Paisley Park. Still, your heart is probably in the right place. But Prince would say, go to the store and buy a few more copies of HNR2 instead lol

You sound so confident about this. Are you sure? Sometimes I get worried with all the stupid news coming out saying the estate might not be worth as much as everyone suspects, and makes me think something like this would be a good idea.



Yes. I am sure.

Not long after Michael Jackson died, his Estate did a deal worth $500 million dollars with Sony, for the rights to release previously unheard music. That was just one deal. And trust me... Prince has 20x more unreleased music, at least. And in terms of back catalogue, whilst MJ's Estate has the huge cash cow that is "Thriller", Prince's Estate has literally 40 albums in the back catalog, MANY of which are multiplatinum. On top of that - you have massive money earners like Sinead's cover of NC2U, Chaka's cover of I Feel For You, and Manic Monday. Those songs bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties every single year. On top of that, Prince had, what, $30-50 million dollars worth of property, which is all gonna get sold except for Paisley and the Purple Rain house. Hell, the 130 or however many acres on Galpin Blvd is worth $13 million alone.

On top of that you've got movie royalties from sales of Purple Rain, Under The Cherry Moon, SOTT, Graffiti Bridge. It's only a matter of time before we see Blu-Ray releases of Purple Rain Live and Lovesexy Dortmund. You've got the unreleased movies of The Second Coming and 3121/Lotusflow3r in the vault.

The amount of tie-ups that you could do with Prince's catalogue is ridiculous. The amount of sales you could make from previously unreleased music is ridiculous. The amount of publishing royalties is insane.

Prince's Estate, properly managed, once all the legal shit is taken care of, is worth billions. No doubt about it.

My band's manager works with a company called Primary Wave. They did a deal with Courtney Love to represent Nirvana's Estate. Now - bear in mind that Nirvana made just three albums. Just three - Bleach, Nevermind and In Utero. Four if you include the Unplugged album. Trust me - the amount of money they make from the Nirvana catalog would blow your mind.

We could potentially be bearing witness, in 5 years, to seeing kids wearing the Love Symbol on t-shirts no matter where you go in the world. The same way you do with Nirvana and the Rolling Stones. And for those of us who've been on this purple ride for a long time - particularly those of us that remember the early 2000's, pre-Musicology, when nobody was really checking for Prince except us - it's gonna be weird as fuck. But he belongs to everyone now, and if we really want his message to reach as many people as possible, the only way is for them to embrace his legacy through every avenue, and mass-market commotodization is the way they're going to do that.








Superb post!
The amount of material the Prince left,both released and not is incredible.
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Reply #50 posted 08/21/16 4:12pm

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oliviacamron said:

YaThink said:

oliviacamron said: <3 Such a kind heart should never need to be explained.

Thank you. I have more of a broken heart than anything. I wish I could go to PP and leave some flowers or something. I'm waiting it out to see if it turns into a museum. prince eye yes fallinluv

I think it is beautiful what you did.

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Reply #51 posted 08/27/16 12:39am

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Yay ! I get to go PP
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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