Ingela said:

I mean seriously, if Prince started his career and first album with something else , it would be a let down. He was a badass from the first notes he put to record. From the very first sounds you ever heard him play.

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I like your avatar.

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QueenofCardboard said:

Ingela said:

QueenofCardboard said:

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I like your avatar.

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Let's get out there in November

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Agreed!

QueenofCardboard said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

To reiterate, if For You is an overproduced album, what does that make 3121? Hell, even Lovesexy was criticised by Eric Leeds for having way too heavy a mix.

Just because a record has a thick sound though doesn't mean it's too much. Damn wagner! can you tone down the double bass?

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Lovesexy is over produced in my opinion.

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Thanks for this--I don't know much about music. I just looked up "music producer" on Wikipedia. Here is a quote:

A producer has many roles that may include, but are not limited to, gathering ideas for the project, selecting songs or session musicians, proposing changes to the song arrangements, coaching the artist and musicians in the studio, controlling the recording sessions, and supervising the entire process through audio mixing (recorded music) and, in some cases, to the audio mastering stage.

Why would any of the duties I've placed in pink be anybody's call except for the artist?

Waiting4Fall said:

Why would any of the duties I've placed in pink be anybody's call except for the artist?

Because many "artists" are actually just singers. Refer to the many artists Prince produced songs for in regards to the pink.

Chas said:

NorthC said:

Dunno. You'd have to explain what an "overproduce album" is first.

It means they sold it on the shelf over the produce. Oranges and bananas and such.

Go stand in the corner. Now.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Waiting4Fall said:

Why would any of the duties I've placed in pink be anybody's call except for the artist?

Because many "artists" are actually just singers. Refer to the many artists Prince produced songs for in regards to the pink.

there really is no solid definition of a producer. And a big part of why artists "need" one is that's just how everything is set up in our society. An employee needs a boss, a football players needs a coach, a soldier needs a general. A guy like prince didn't need any of that. We are taught from the time we are babies to look for someone else to show us the way. And there are plenty of assholes willing to do it. I don't think Michael Jackson "needed" Quincy Jones and now Quincy has bragging rights to "making" the greatest superstar ever when often those kinds of guys don't even add that much. Now, Quincy to his credit, knew his business but the songs were Michaels. Elvis was the same way, he had producers but usually, after his Sun career, he was his own producer for the most part. He did the arrangements, directed musicians and/or chose the musicians who he knew would fit. Now, there are cases where a producer is needed, say a guy can write a great song and can sing but can't even play a single instrument, he needs a producer. In that line of thinking, MJ could have been his own producer right from the start because you compare the albums For You/Off The Wall, Michael's songs, coming out of his own head as evidenced by demos, were superior at that point. Now, that's not to get into the comparison thing, I'm saying if he wasn't so frightened of the idea of a solo album, he could have found musicians to play his ideas himself and they may have only lost some of the stuff quincy added, would that have changed what the album sold? I don't know.

HuMpThAnG said:

i think another definition of overproduced is having good recording equipement, lots of musical stuff, strings, horns or whatever but the song isn't there. It's like having a steak with all the spices, the best chef, all the onions and everything but the steak was rotten to begin with, it's not gonna help. One person on here compared lovesexy to an older woman who uses more makeup to compensate for her age. I was just listening to a smokey robinson song which had huge arrangements, wasn't a great song, just another tune on one of his albums but it had all the big stuff on it to make it sound as good as it could. Like i said, a great song will come across without all that stuff, just the chords and melody.

a good song is a good song even in demo form with just a guitar or a piano..

if all the bells and whistles need to be there to 'get' it, it probably aint worth the effort...

MD431Madcat said:

a good song is a good song even in demo form with just a guitar or a piano..

if all the bells and whistles need to be there to 'get' it, it probably aint worth the effort...

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Yes!

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Exactly!

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bluegangsta said:

If you compare the album version of Baby to the Moonsound version - I am inclined to say yes. Otherwise, I think the album is just poorly mixed. It's mssing a lot of space in the stereo.

Which version is this, not sure I've heard it, it's not the one listed on Work It 2.0 as Baby #1 is it?