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"Sister" - Here's What the Fuck He Was Thinking Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
There are 3 main reason I see that this and other Prince songs get grossly misinterpreted; or worse yet, tossed off as being meaningless or strange for the sake of strange: Firstly, I think Prince's intellect is often overlooked and underestimated, and I do believe that race unfortunately plays a big part in this. Secondly, there's also a portion of his fans that take Prince FAR, FAR too seriously, and time and time again have his disarming humor and charm fly right over their heads. Thirdly, people are so uncomfortable with the literal meaning they cannot get past it. When Prince writes “Little Red Corvette” you're absolutely sure he’s not talking about driving a car home, but when he uses the word “incest” suddenly he’s fucking his sister. 
--- Here's an alternative viewpoint on "Sister". Do with it what you will, including putting it out on the street or using it to stop the flow of your spilt juice. 
Just as a “blow job” doesn’t mean blow, this song shouldn’t be taken so literally.
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.” That sounds like the birth of a “Dirty Mind” and when mixed with a heavy dose of imagination also the genesis of “Sister”. I think Prince is using the song “Sister” to come to terms with this own twisted, familial feminine introduction to sex. The way Prince was taught the birds and the bees is not exactly textbook child psychology.
Prince was never pimped by his own sister and forced to work the streets of Minneapolis to make money, nor was he forcibly molested by her.
This is just Prince using a whole lot of smoke to hide the metaphorical, personal flame within. It’s actually quite sweet when you get at the heart of it. Poor little guy with no male figure around to guide him properly through puberty grows older and takes his anger out in song. Brendan | |
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Brendan said Secondly, there's also a portion of his fans that take Prince FAR, FAR too seriously, and time and time again have his disarming humor and charm fly right over their heads. This reminds me of the pointless backlash against Wedding Feast. Great post, Brendan! | |
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Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
plus u want everyone to see it
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.”
Um..this is bs imo...his mother and a few others have discussed that there most certainly was no porn etc laying around the house or hidden etc. . [This message was edited Mon Mar 31 22:17:59 PST 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
plus u want everyone to see it
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.”
Um..this is bs imo...his mother and a few others have discussed that there most certainly was no porn etc laying around the house or hidden etc. . [This message was edited Mon Mar 31 22:17:59 PST 2003 by rdhull] That's what threads are for, right?
It's hard to hold a debate if the mic is turned off. For example, you wouldn't even "BS" me 80 deep on the other thread.
And of course they are going to deny this. I'd be embarrassed as hell to admit this is how I raised my child. There's no reason for Prince to lie about something like this. It doesn't put him in a better light and it's kind of embarrassing to admit. If he were to lie to Chris Rock he'd of made up some story about being a sex expert when he was 10. | |
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Brendan said: rdhull said: Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
plus u want everyone to see it
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.”
Um..this is bs imo...his mother and a few others have discussed that there most certainly was no porn etc laying around the house or hidden etc. . [This message was edited Mon Mar 31 22:17:59 PST 2003 by rdhull] That's what threads are for, right?
It's hard to hold a debate if the mic is turned off. For example, you wouldn't even "BS" me 80 deep on the other thread.
even though I read it you may be right 
making it a new thread is easier And of course they are going to deny this. I'd be embarrassed as hell to admit this is how I raised my child.
There's no reason for Prince to lie about something like this. It doesn't put him in a better light and it's kind of embarrassing to admit. If he were to lie to Chris Rock he'd of made up some story about being a sex expert when he was 10. as I said "imo"...I just dont believe it. He had always said that story way back in 1980 etc. I just dont believe Princes mother (who was supposedly religious etc..I know that doesn't mean anything etc) would be into porn and vibrators etc..he said he would go into his moms drawers and find all that stuff etc..who in the heck or what kind of fella goes into their moms dresser snooping lol(I know, I know everybody..Prince right? lol ok). I guess if he can get his overt religiosity from her he can get her sexual libido as well. . [This message was edited Tue Apr 1 11:06:37 PST 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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Anji said: Brendan said Secondly, there's also a portion of his fans that take Prince FAR, FAR too seriously, and time and time again have his disarming humor and charm fly right over their heads. This reminds me of the pointless backlash against Wedding Feast. Great post, Brendan!Scary. I almost parenthetically included "Wedding Feast" in this post. | |
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rdhull said: Brendan said: rdhull said: Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
plus u want everyone to see it
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.”
Um..this is bs imo...his mother and a few others have discussed that there most certainly was no porn etc laying around the house or hidden etc. . [This message was edited Mon Mar 31 22:17:59 PST 2003 by rdhull] That's what threads are for, right?
It's hard to hold a debate if the mic is turned off. For example, you wouldn't even "BS" me 80 deep on the other thread.
even though I read it you may be right
making it a new thread is easier And of course they are going to deny this. I'd be embarrassed as hell to admit this is how I raised my child.
There's no reason for Prince to lie about something like this. It doesn't put him in a better light and it's kind of embarrassing to admit. If he were to lie to Chris Rock he'd of made up some story about being a sex expert when he was 10. as I said "imo"...I just dont believe it. He had always said that story way back in 1980 etc. I just dont believe {rinces mother (who was supposedly religious etc..I know that doesn't mean anything etc) would be into porn and vibrators etc..he said eh would go into his moms drawers and find al that stuff etc..who in the heck goes into their moms dresser snooping lol(I know, I know everybody..Prince right? lol ok). I gues if he can get his overt religiosity from her he can get her sexual libido as well. RDHULL, your knowledge runs much deeper than mine, that's why I appreciate you closing with a sentence that argues my case in a way I hadn't even thought of yet.
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Thanx for your points, Brendan--very interesting, if a little "Latin blooded" (like me )
Check the song Reality used to be a friend of mine by PM Dawn--imho (as h as poss--I can be arrogant), you allude to what it is saying --------
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Brendan said: I think Prince is using the song “Sister” to come to terms with this own twisted, familial feminine introduction to sex.
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Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
There are 3 main reason I see that this and other Prince songs get grossly misinterpreted; or worse yet, tossed off as being meaningless or strange for the sake of strange: Firstly, I think Prince's intellect is often overlooked and underestimated, and I do believe that race unfortunately plays a big part in this. Secondly, there's also a portion of his fans that take Prince FAR, FAR too seriously, and time and time again have his disarming humor and charm fly right over their heads. Thirdly, people are so uncomfortable with the literal meaning they cannot get past it. When Prince writes “Little Red Corvette” you're absolutely sure he’s not talking about driving a car home, but when he uses the word “incest” suddenly he’s fucking his sister.
--- Here's an alternative viewpoint on "Sister". Do with it what you will, including putting it out on the street or using it to stop the flow of your spilt juice.
Just as a “blow job” doesn’t mean blow, this song shouldn’t be taken so literally.
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.” That sounds like the birth of a “Dirty Mind” and when mixed with a heavy dose of imagination also the genesis of “Sister”. I think Prince is using the song “Sister” to come to terms with this own twisted, familial feminine introduction to sex. The way Prince was taught the birds and the bees is not exactly textbook child psychology.
Prince was never pimped by his own sister and forced to work the streets of Minneapolis to make money, nor was he forcibly molested by her.
This is just Prince using a whole lot of smoke to hide the metaphorical, personal flame within. It’s actually quite sweet when you get at the heart of it. Poor little guy with no male figure around to guide him properly through puberty grows older and takes his anger out in song. Brendan P has lied in interviews before so I don't know why you're so quick to believe anything he says. And I didn't know you and P were sooo tight that you knew everything about him... You don't know anymore about him than the rest of us do! You don't know what things are just imagination or what things actually happened. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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Brendan said: rdhull said: Brendan said: rdhull said: Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
plus u want everyone to see it
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.”
Um..this is bs imo...his mother and a few others have discussed that there most certainly was no porn etc laying around the house or hidden etc. . [This message was edited Mon Mar 31 22:17:59 PST 2003 by rdhull] That's what threads are for, right?
It's hard to hold a debate if the mic is turned off. For example, you wouldn't even "BS" me 80 deep on the other thread.
even though I read it you may be right
making it a new thread is easier And of course they are going to deny this. I'd be embarrassed as hell to admit this is how I raised my child.
There's no reason for Prince to lie about something like this. It doesn't put him in a better light and it's kind of embarrassing to admit. If he were to lie to Chris Rock he'd of made up some story about being a sex expert when he was 10. as I said "imo"...I just dont believe it. He had always said that story way back in 1980 etc. I just dont believe {rinces mother (who was supposedly religious etc..I know that doesn't mean anything etc) would be into porn and vibrators etc..he said eh would go into his moms drawers and find al that stuff etc..who in the heck goes into their moms dresser snooping lol(I know, I know everybody..Prince right? lol ok). I gues if he can get his overt religiosity from her he can get her sexual libido as well. RDHULL, your knowledge runs much deeper than mine, that's why I appreciate you closing with a sentence that argues my case in a way I hadn't even thought of yet.
-- [This message was edited Tue Apr 1 0:53:16 PST 2003 by Brendan] Brendan you always post interesting things. I would not pay a lot of attention to the naysayer who I will not mention by name. I do not want to be accussed of starting a flame war. I think you hit the nail on the head concerning the Sister song. There really is no reason for Prince to lie about his f-k uped childhood. It anything it is embarassing for him as well as his family. I am always amazed that people think that everyone has some perfect family with a perfect childhood. Most familes are disfunctional. [This message was edited Tue Apr 1 15:45:57 PST 2003 by laurarichardson] | |
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gypsyfire said: P has lied in interviews before so I don't know why you're so quick to believe anything he says.
And I didn't know you and P were sooo tight that you knew everything about him... You don't know anymore about him than the rest of us do! You don't know what things are just imagination or what things actually happened. 
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This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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andyf said: Thanx for your points, Brendan--very interesting, if a little "Latin blooded" (like me
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Check the song Reality used to be a friend of mine by PM Dawn--imho (as h as poss--I can be arrogant), you allude to what it is saying
Just being direct and at bit playful. It’s not about being right with me, but about challenging with a different viewpoint. You’ve got me curious about “Reality Used to be a friend of mine”. I like PM Dawn, but I don’t own this particular track. I’ll check it out. Thanks for the reply! | |
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gypsyfire said: Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
There are 3 main reason I see that this and other Prince songs get grossly misinterpreted; or worse yet, tossed off as being meaningless or strange for the sake of strange: Firstly, I think Prince's intellect is often overlooked and underestimated, and I do believe that race unfortunately plays a big part in this. Secondly, there's also a portion of his fans that take Prince FAR, FAR too seriously, and time and time again have his disarming humor and charm fly right over their heads. Thirdly, people are so uncomfortable with the literal meaning they cannot get past it. When Prince writes “Little Red Corvette” you're absolutely sure he’s not talking about driving a car home, but when he uses the word “incest” suddenly he’s fucking his sister.
--- Here's an alternative viewpoint on "Sister". Do with it what you will, including putting it out on the street or using it to stop the flow of your spilt juice.
Just as a “blow job” doesn’t mean blow, this song shouldn’t be taken so literally.
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.” That sounds like the birth of a “Dirty Mind” and when mixed with a heavy dose of imagination also the genesis of “Sister”. I think Prince is using the song “Sister” to come to terms with this own twisted, familial feminine introduction to sex. The way Prince was taught the birds and the bees is not exactly textbook child psychology.
Prince was never pimped by his own sister and forced to work the streets of Minneapolis to make money, nor was he forcibly molested by her.
This is just Prince using a whole lot of smoke to hide the metaphorical, personal flame within. It’s actually quite sweet when you get at the heart of it. Poor little guy with no male figure around to guide him properly through puberty grows older and takes his anger out in song. Brendan P has lied in interviews before so I don't know why you're so quick to believe anything he says. And I didn't know you and P were sooo tight that you knew everything about him... You don't know anymore about him than the rest of us do! You don't know what things are just imagination or what things actually happened.
The above is an opinion, a theory, an interpretation, or as I stated in writing, “an alternative viewpoint on "Sister". And thanks for reacting such that you better prove my second point above. | |
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laurarichardson said: Brendan said: rdhull said: Brendan said: rdhull said: Brendan said: Sorry, but I couldn't let that other thread title go unchallenged. And it can’t properly be debated in a thread that’s already 80 deep.
plus u want everyone to see it
Prince in an interview with Chris Rock revealed how he was introduced to sex as a young boy. He described the experience as one that was “initiated heavy and quick” by his recently remarried mother. He was given playboy magazines and erotic literature was laying around to be easily picked up. He said that it was “pretty heavy at the time” and that it “really affected [his] sexuality a great deal.” Perhaps his older stepsister also contributed part of her library to this “education.”
Um..this is bs imo...his mother and a few others have discussed that there most certainly was no porn etc laying around the house or hidden etc. . [This message was edited Mon Mar 31 22:17:59 PST 2003 by rdhull] That's what threads are for, right?
It's hard to hold a debate if the mic is turned off. For example, you wouldn't even "BS" me 80 deep on the other thread.
even though I read it you may be right
making it a new thread is easier And of course they are going to deny this. I'd be embarrassed as hell to admit this is how I raised my child.
There's no reason for Prince to lie about something like this. It doesn't put him in a better light and it's kind of embarrassing to admit. If he were to lie to Chris Rock he'd of made up some story about being a sex expert when he was 10. as I said "imo"...I just dont believe it. He had always said that story way back in 1980 etc. I just dont believe {rinces mother (who was supposedly religious etc..I know that doesn't mean anything etc) would be into porn and vibrators etc..he said eh would go into his moms drawers and find al that stuff etc..who in the heck goes into their moms dresser snooping lol(I know, I know everybody..Prince right? lol ok). I gues if he can get his overt religiosity from her he can get her sexual libido as well. RDHULL, your knowledge runs much deeper than mine, that's why I appreciate you closing with a sentence that argues my case in a way I hadn't even thought of yet.
-- [This message was edited Tue Apr 1 0:53:16 PST 2003 by Brendan] Brendan you always post interesting things. I would not pay a lot of attention to the naysayer who I will not mention by name. I do not want to be accussed of starting a flame war. I think you hit the nail on the head concerning the Sister song. There really is no reason for Prince to lie about his f-k uped childhood. It anything it is embarassing for him as well as his family. I am always amazed that people think that everyone has some perfect family with a perfect childhood. Most familes are disfunctional. [This message was edited Tue Apr 1 15:45:57 PST 2003 by laurarichardson] I appreciate the support. I like the “naysayer” fire, unfortunately I want both fire and substance!
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