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If we went in your vaults, what would we find in there? (Re: The Time)

Kurt Loder: If we went in your vaults, what would we find in there?

The Artist: Some amazing jazz work. You'd find the best, most heady tracks The Revolution recorded - the ones that we though were to far gone, back in the 80s. You'd find the more psychedelic, rock version of the Time. You'd find the really erotic, sensual Prince. You'd find the future.

So... do we know what exactly he's refering to there?

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Reply #1 posted 08/01/16 3:37am

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I think he just describes pretty much the type of tracks that we've already heard, like "All My Dreams", "In A Large Room With No Light" ("psychedelic Revolution"), "Extraloveable", "Lust U always" ("rock version of the Time").

Hard to say about what's supposed to be the amazing jazz work that he's referring to. The "really erotic, sensual Prince" could just as well be a reference to Emancipation era type of outtakes, like "1000 Hugs & Kisses".

When Prince or someone from his camp have made a reference to "The Vault", it doesn't refer just to the material "that hasn't even leaked out as bootlegs". That's just wishful thinking, as we've heard so much of it already.

[Edited 8/1/16 3:40am]

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Reply #2 posted 08/01/16 6:01am

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bluegangsta said:

Kurt Loder: If we went in your vaults, what would we find in there?

The Artist: Some amazing jazz work. You'd find the best, most heady tracks The Revolution recorded - the ones that we though were to far gone, back in the 80s. You'd find the more psychedelic, rock version of the Time. You'd find the really erotic, sensual Prince. You'd find the future.

So... do we know what exactly he's refering to there?


Possibly the "Old Dogs, New Tricks" record that was recorded in 1997? Amongst other things, it had a cover of "Who Says A Funk Band Can't Play Rock?" by Funkadelic, which is a psychedelic rock/funk mix.

Tracklisting is believed to be:

"

1. Cowgirl (n/a)
2. Style (n/a)
3. Who says a funk band can't play rock? (n/a)
4. Shake it baby (n/a)
5. Old dogs, new tricks (n/a)
6. Players Quiz (n/a)
7. North side, South side, Suburbs (n/a)
8. And thats what time it is (n/a)

"

That aside, Morris also recorded with Prince in 2001. Prince put a note on his website at the time saying that Jamie Starr was producing the album cool cool

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Reply #3 posted 08/01/16 8:37am

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Militant said:



bluegangsta said:

Kurt Loder: If we went in your vaults, what would we find in there?

The Artist: Some amazing jazz work. You'd find the best, most heady tracks The Revolution recorded - the ones that we though were to far gone, back in the 80s. You'd find the more psychedelic, rock version of the Time. You'd find the really erotic, sensual Prince. You'd find the future.

So... do we know what exactly he's refering to there?


Possibly the "Old Dogs, New Tricks" record that was recorded in 1997? Amongst other things, it had a cover of "Who Says A Funk Band Can't Play Rock?" by Funkadelic, which is a psychedelic rock/funk mix.

Tracklisting is believed to be:

"

1. Cowgirl (n/a)
2. Style (n/a)
3. Who says a funk band can't play rock? (n/a)
4. Shake it baby (n/a)
5. Old dogs, new tricks (n/a)
6. Players Quiz (n/a)
7. North side, South side, Suburbs (n/a)
8. And thats what time it is (n/a)

"

That aside, Morris also recorded with Prince in 2001. Prince put a note on his website at the time saying that Jamie Starr was producing the album cool cool

There's no trace of the Old Dogs project on Princevault, which leaves me wondering... I've seen this tracklist floating around for years but I can't help wondering if it could be fake... And if not how could Princevault miss it?

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databank said:

Militant said:




Possibly the "Old Dogs, New Tricks" record that was recorded in 1997? Amongst other things, it had a cover of "Who Says A Funk Band Can't Play Rock?" by Funkadelic, which is a psychedelic rock/funk mix.

Tracklisting is believed to be:

"

1. Cowgirl (n/a)
2. Style (n/a)
3. Who says a funk band can't play rock? (n/a)
4. Shake it baby (n/a)
5. Old dogs, new tricks (n/a)
6. Players Quiz (n/a)
7. North side, South side, Suburbs (n/a)
8. And thats what time it is (n/a)

"

That aside, Morris also recorded with Prince in 2001. Prince put a note on his website at the time saying that Jamie Starr was producing the album cool cool

There's no trace of the Old Dogs project on Princevault, which leaves me wondering... I've seen this tracklist floating around for years but I can't help wondering if it could be fake... And if not how could Princevault miss it?




There's no trace of the 2001 sessions either, right? And Prince himself spoke about those with the message on the website that I mentioned.

I remember there was an orger (Rhastus?) who was a big fan of The Time, and they had confirmed that they knew about some of the tracks on this record. Some might even have been jammed live, at some point in the late 90's. What I remember reading about this record was that the members of Morris's touring band, like Tori Ruffin and Ricky "Freeze" Smith had participated in these recordings with Morris and Prince. There was a suggestion that Larry Graham might have played on a song too, and that these sessions were done at a similar time to GCS2000.

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Reply #5 posted 08/01/16 2:39pm

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Ha anyone bothered to ask Morris directly on Facebook? I bet he'd provide an answer...

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Reply #6 posted 08/01/16 6:41pm

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I thought I remembered that "Old Dogs, New Tricks" was supposed to be a "Morris Day and the Time" project (in other words, Morris and his touring band, but not Prince), not a "The Time" project (that is, Morris and Prince with maybe some others contributing). I also thought I'd heard that Prince blocked the use of "The Time" as part of the artist credit (much as he later would for Condensate). So I'd love to hear something definitive as well.

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Reply #7 posted 08/01/16 6:55pm

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how about the (at THAT time mentioned) 34 completed lps with artwork????

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Reply #8 posted 08/01/16 7:04pm

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Unreleased Sheila E, Jill Jones, Vanity 6 and The Time tracks nod beg

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novabrkr said:

I think he just describes pretty much the type of tracks that we've already heard, like "All My Dreams", "In A Large Room With No Light" ("psychedelic Revolution"), "Extraloveable", "Lust U always" ("rock version of the Time").

Hard to say about what's supposed to be the amazing jazz work that he's referring to. The "really erotic, sensual Prince" could just as well be a reference to Emancipation era type of outtakes, like "1000 Hugs & Kisses".

When Prince or someone from his camp have made a reference to "The Vault", it doesn't refer just to the material "that hasn't even leaked out as bootlegs". That's just wishful thinking, as we've heard so much of it already.

[Edited 8/1/16 3:40am]

Don't jinx the possibilities lol

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bluegangsta said:

Kurt Loder: If we went in your vaults, what would we find in there?

The Artist: Some amazing jazz work. You'd find the best, most heady tracks The Revolution recorded - the ones that we though were to far gone, back in the 80s. You'd find the more psychedelic, rock version of the Time. You'd find the really erotic, sensual Prince. You'd find the future.

So... do we know what exactly he's refering to there?

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EddieC said:

I thought I remembered that "Old Dogs, New Tricks" was supposed to be a "Morris Day and the Time" project (in other words, Morris and his touring band, but not Prince), not a "The Time" project (that is, Morris and Prince with maybe some others contributing). I also thought I'd heard that Prince blocked the use of "The Time" as part of the artist credit (much as he later would for Condensate). So I'd love to hear something definitive as well.

This may explain why Pvault doesn't mention it?

All I know for a fact is that the 2004 album It's About Time was released as a Morris Day opus, not The Time or even Morris Day & The Time, because Prince denied Morris the right to use The Time for a release. Also, the album contains a few studio tracks besides the live cuts, and IDK when they were recorded, but they don't match the Old Dogs, New Tricks titles.

I also wonder if Style is supposed to be a MD version of the Emancipation track, admitting it exists of course. I could somehow figure the track adapted to fit Morris lol

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Reply #12 posted 08/02/16 4:09am

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EddieC said:

I thought I remembered that "Old Dogs, New Tricks" was supposed to be a "Morris Day and the Time" project (in other words, Morris and his touring band, but not Prince), not a "The Time" project (that is, Morris and Prince with maybe some others contributing). I also thought I'd heard that Prince blocked the use of "The Time" as part of the artist credit (much as he later would for Condensate). So I'd love to hear something definitive as well.

This may explain why Pvault doesn't mention it?

All I know for a fact is that the 2004 album It's About Time was released as a Morris Day opus, not The Time or even Morris Day & The Time, because Prince denied Morris the right to use The Time for a release. Also, the album contains a few studio tracks besides the live cuts, and IDK when they were recorded, but they don't match the Old Dogs, New Tricks titles.

I also wonder if Style is supposed to be a MD version of the Emancipation track, admitting it exists of course. I could somehow figure the track adapted to fit Morris lol

Or I might just be muddling the two projects together in my memory, since, as you say, it did happen with the It's About Time album. lol

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EddieC said:

databank said:

This may explain why Pvault doesn't mention it?

All I know for a fact is that the 2004 album It's About Time was released as a Morris Day opus, not The Time or even Morris Day & The Time, because Prince denied Morris the right to use The Time for a release. Also, the album contains a few studio tracks besides the live cuts, and IDK when they were recorded, but they don't match the Old Dogs, New Tricks titles.

I also wonder if Style is supposed to be a MD version of the Emancipation track, admitting it exists of course. I could somehow figure the track adapted to fit Morris lol

Or I might just be muddling the two projects together in my memory, since, as you say, it did happen with the It's About Time album. lol

Whenever/if a comprehensive inventory of the vault is made, it'd be wonderful if the content list was made available to researchers and/or the general public, even if we don't get to hear most of it. Can u imagine, at long last having a detailed list of every recording ever made by Prince. I hope the estate has the notion to do this.

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My understanding was that "Old Dogs, New Tricks" had involvement from the "Morris Day & The Time" lineup - specifically Ricky Smith and Tori Ruffin - as well as Prince.

Would be good to get some light shed on this. Perhaps the 2001 sessions that Prince spoke of, included more work on some of these same songs.


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