LBrent said:

wavesofbliss said:

i appreciate this. i felt much of this right after he died. he was impossible to deal with on many levels. there is always a lot of fear underneath chaotic behavior. p had some compulsion to stir up strife and operate within a veil of chaos for most of his professional and personal life. in many way, all of this chaos after his death is consistant with how he lived. so sad.

Not making a will isn't a part of JW doctrine. Some JWs choose to make wills, some don't. Just like some non-JWs choose to make wills, some don't. Not seeking medical attention is not a part of JW doctrine. If you're thinking about blood transfusions, there has been no indication that P's death was related to that issue. In this day/age, blood transfusions aren't an issue for anyone including JWs. There are so many options for medical treatment that don't involve any blood that if that is being seen as an obstacle to medical treatment by anyone, JW or ninJA, due diligence needs to be done. Feel free to be upset, but if those things have you upset, they weren't a JW thing, they were apparently a P thing. Just sayin

I'm affraid you're wrong.

My neighbour is a JW, and i asked him.

For the record, I don't believe in anything.

This is what he came up with, and I checked it on the JW webside overhere in Belgium:

I'll try to translate it from Dutch ;

"It's more a religious matter, rather then a medical matter. Both in the old and the new testament there's a commandment that says we have to keep ourselves (away) from blood ; (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomium 12:23; Handelingen 15:28, 29)."

And it also states that "blood represents life", says god ; (Leviticus 17:14).

And because of obedience to god, and from the respect that he gave life, they don't accept blood tranfusions.

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Of course i'm aware of Prince's death not being directly related to that.

But, he suffered from serious pain, due to a hip problem.

At least that's what I've read and heard.

Alhough, I stil might be wrong for that matter. About thàt you're right.

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Maybe Prince was just afraid of having a hip replacement, undergoing the surgery, like so many men do.

Or maybe he didn't find the time or the will. But it made him suffer in pain, grabbing painkilles.

Still there's something freaky to me about the whole JW thing.

Only time will tell, or not.

One fact : we lost him because of misuse of painkillers, due to something he suffered from, being taken care of with lack of diligence.

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And I never said anything of NOT making or having a will has something to with the JW doctrine. Just sayin'

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Peace though.

[Edited 8/1/16 8:05am]

Vannormal said:

Bottom line, he thought he had plenty of time left to get a will in order. But as we all know, anything can happen at anytime to anyone.......how many of your houses are in order? So no, I am not dissapointed in Prince.

From what I have read, he wanted to turn Paisley Park into a music school for children.

"U & I know we gotta die some day."

"Wait a few days before you waste any prayers."

For a man so obsessed with control of his affairs, his art & his business, of course I'm disappointed, but only to the extent that impacts my enjoyment of his legacy. I didn't know the man personally, but I do know he was a terrible businessman & honestly didn't expect anything like this to be handled well.

He obviously had been in pain for quite a while & however many close calls he may have had, if he is saying things like that, while he might not have known how bad off he was, he must have known the situation was pretty dire. Why then, if he cared at all about his work, would he have not done anything to make certain that it was properly tended to when he passed?

It's just very sad & while we may seem to appear selfish, knowing that our main interest as fans is in wanting access to whatever may lie unreleased in those vaults, we also want that legacy enriched & extended. He was taken from us so young. This nonsense with his estate may continue for quite a while & we may not see anything from the vault for some time. While it would always have been better that he lived? It would certainly have been better that he had tended better to his affairs.

leadline said:

Bottom line, he thought he had plenty of time left to get a will in order. But as we all know, anything can happen at anytime to anyone.......how many of your houses are in order? So no, I am not dissapointed in Prince.

From what I have read, he wanted to turn Paisley Park into a music school for children.

I miss him and his music. Its been over 3 months and I am still bothered by this at least once a day. I dont really care about the rest. We have the rest of our lives to hear what Prince did in the past. It is the loss of his future that hurts.

So obsessed about control all these years and no will to protect his legacy...Maybe he didn´t care about all this anymore after passing, or maybe he just tought he´d still had time to do it later. I guess this is probably the case, since more than once in interviews, he said he didn´t think about death too much (or at all). This leads me to refute the hypothesis that he knew he was dying or anything like that.He died the same way he always lived: Controversy all along. Oh boy, how I miss him...

leadline said:

Bottom line, he thought he had plenty of time left to get a will in order. But as we all know, anything can happen at anytime to anyone.......how many of your houses are in order? So no, I am not dissapointed in Prince.

From what I have read, he wanted to turn Paisley Park into a music school for children.

i specifically made a will to NOT include my sisters and ANY money left would go to 2 specific charities....as he should've....

Vannormal said:

Lovejunky said:

Ive been thinking about this a lot lately...

I dont think he was at all attached to his music or his legacy..

He left it all behind, he was not burdended by unrealised dreams or desires.

He was "light" in that sense

He was always so in the moment, we know this about him.

He has gone where he always told us he wanted to go.How many times have we heard him "hanker" for that Place.

What he left

is ours to deal with...

He is FREE

I'm sorry.

He's not FREE. He never was IMHO.

He's dead and gone.

No grave even.

He had his fantastic but too short life, and that's it really.

We live on the music that's left behind.

And an unorganised legacy, full of riddles and mysteries, but that's OK.

He most certainly IS FREE

Free from his "Art Official CAGE"

I'm just really worried as how his legacy will be carried on from this point. It's not like he is alive and we can look foward to attending concerts etc.. I'm a 93'r and I missed out from an entire era, that many of you got to experience. I so wish If Prince was able to work out the kinks of releasing official remasters, DVDs etc.. I understand he was independent for quite sometime and i'm sure it was difficult to release official merchandise. But damn what most of us are left with is shitty youtube videos & clips that are being yanked. No provision of official merchandise. Ugh

Bunsterdk said:

Vannormal said:

I'm affraid you're wrong.

My neighbour is a JW, and i asked him.

For the record, I don't believe in anything.

This is what he came up with, and I checked it on the JW webside overhere in Belgium:

I'll try to translate it from Dutch ;

"It's more a religious matter, rather then a medical matter. Both in the old and the new testament there's a commandment that says we have to keep ourselves (away) from blood ; (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomium 12:23; Handelingen 15:28, 29)."

And it also states that "blood represents life", says god ; (Leviticus 17:14).

And because of obedience to god, and from the respect that he gave life, they don't accept blood tranfusions.

-

Of course i'm aware of Prince's death not being directly related to that.

But, he suffered from serious pain, due to a hip problem.

At least that's what I've read and heard.

Alhough, I stil might be wrong for that matter. About thàt you're right.

-

Maybe Prince was just afraid of having a hip replacement, undergoing the surgery, like so many men do.

Or maybe he didn't find the time or the will. But it made him suffer in pain, grabbing painkilles.

Still there's something freaky to me about the whole JW thing.

Only time will tell, or not.

One fact : we lost him because of misuse of painkillers, due to something he suffered from, being taken care of with lack of diligence.

-

And I never said anything of NOT making or having a will has something to with the JW doctrine. Just sayin'

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Peace though.

[Edited 8/1/16 8:05am]

I am a jw and have just undergone major surgery ten days ago. No, we don't accept blood, and no, that's not usually a problem in today's world. Prince made his own choice and it is very unlikely that he could not find a surgeon qualified to do the surgery without blood.

Thanks for sharing. I couldn't believ that in 2016 members of the JW could have surgery. I knew there had to be special provisions for surgery. I knew we had the capability.

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Just to provoke the discussion, I would like to hear someone articulate why anyone here should care about how Prince's estate is settled.

I have seen comments here and on Facebook questioning the motives and maligning the reputations of individual members of his family.

There also have been numerous threads that seem to either hope or express shock at the potential that Prince had a child who may stand to inherit the estate. Many of them are judgmental, if not condescending.

So, why should we care? It's not our estate. I'm not aware of any regular posters on this site who are blood relatives of Prince.

From a fan's perspective, does it really matter whether Prince had a will? No one here has ever stood to have any influence on what became of his music or his belongings.

I'd love to hear a well-reasoned, non-emotional answer.

It's not like it's any of our business, but as a bystander if you do the math the potential for PP and the music to be lost due to liquidation unless someone with experience in both Minnesota estate law and the music industry is allowed to guide the family. It's not just a matter of handing over the assets. Unless there was an insurance policy that will cover the estate taxes and such, a huge chunk of the estate will be eaten away right from the start. The lawyers must be paid, plus any outstanding debts, the remaining assets being split anywhere from 6-8 or more ways, the estate gets smaller. Everyone hears $300million, but the reality is that each person might only walk away with a modest $5-15million. Then what? Where will the next round of property taxes and PP running expenses come from? If there's no income on an ongoing basis, assets will need to be sold off. And I have no doubt that there are plenty who would step up to pay bargain basement prices to desperate family members (WB, I'm looking at you!). I'm just a fan, true, but caring about P and his art for nearly 40 years makes me sad to see his hard work end up as nothing more than a memory and a footnote in music history. It makes me sad to think about. That's all. [Edited 7/30/16 15:08pm]

tish9311 said:

Sorry if this has been answered already.

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How do we really know P NEVER had a will? I would like to ask a few general questions about (MN) wills, particularly the case of when a will is considered valid, replaced, or void.

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I personally have will, it’s filed in my filing cabinet under W, one of my relatives has a copy, as does my lawyer. However, what if something happens in my life or I make a discovery, which causes me to NOT want that will valid? Do I simply shred it? Call my lawyer and relative and tell them to destroy it?

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If asked by the court, would my lawyer be obligated to disclose; ‘yes, she had a will but decided to destroy it’? Or would the Lawyer simply answer, ‘she was advised to make a will and at the present time there is no will?’ (I doubt they would reveal a voided version.)

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Would I write void all over my copy and have each page notarized? I don’t know MN law or how probate works. Yes, it would be smarter to simple create a new will to replace the outdated one. However, if I was so certain that I would rather leave NO will rather than leave one I no longer wanted executed, pending re-right, how would that be accomplished? Some please advise.

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I don’t know anything about the topic, but, I do strongly feel there leaving no will was not an accident.

funksterr said:

Nope.

Prince was about his music and his die-hard fans. The way he left his affairs pretty much guarantees his die-hard fans will get access to everything in the vault sooner rather than later. He hooked us up yet again.

I feel you, that as a African-American who made it, it seems like such a waste that in the end his wealth would not transfer to his own people but instead empower other races and cultures that oppress his people (just like MJ's dumb azz, btw), but I posted that over and over again here while Prince was alive to the point I'm confident he read it and considered the possibility, but in the end did not give AF for some reason, so...

[Edited 7/30/16 8:33am]

Disagree. He knew the money grab will destroy the grabbers, and he wanted that to happen.

BillieBalloon said:

I think Prince must have left some instructions otherwise why would they be taking the youtube videos down? and why would the estate close down the Prince museum website? Who is instigating all this... I understand people are protecting their investments but he must have stipulated that his legacy be protected the same way it was when he was alive imo. Otherwise why would they bother? Is it Tyka carrying on her brothers wishes? [Edited 7/30/16 9:40am]

because it gives them something to do to make money for themselves. Hello!? Has nothing to do with his wishes.

EnDoRpHn said:

StopIt said:

funksterr said:

Nope.

Prince was about his music and his die-hard fans. The way he left his affairs pretty much guarantees his die-hard fans will get access to everything in the vault sooner rather than later. He hooked us up yet again.

I feel you, that as a African-American who made it, it seems like such a waste that in the end his wealth would not transfer to his own people but instead empower other races and cultures that oppress his people (just like MJ's dumb azz, btw), but I posted that over and over again here while Prince was alive to the point I'm confident he read it and considered the possibility, but in the end did not give AF for some reason, so...

[Edited 7/30/16 8:33am]

Disagree. He knew the money grab will destroy the grabbers, and he wanted that to happen.

It seems so unlikely that an artist so determined to control his own art would die without a will but this is an interesting theory and I kind of like it.

I am but such is life. nothing to do now but listen to the music and think about the good times.

funksterr said:

The way he left his affairs pretty much guarantees his die-hard fans will get access to everything in the vault sooner rather than later. He hooked us up yet again.

Wrong. It means that it will take longer for any unreleased stuff to come out - the estate is a mess.

sonshine said:

I wasn't really disappointed or mad at him. He's not the only person who doesn't like to think about such things. I'm sure it was on his to do list somewhere. He probably expected to be around for a long time yet. So I didn't give the matter much thought or emotional energy. That is until I recently learned that in just three months the estate has already racked up two million dollars in legal fees alone. It's not going to take long for his legacy to be bankrupt. And mo one is going to end up with much of anything. All his assets will be liquidated so his heirs get their money which is likely all they want. I can't really see them all working together to ensure his legacy. That's going to involve a lot of work, time and effort - not to mention cooperation. It's not a likely scenario. That's the part that bothers me now. He surely wouldn't have wanted his beloved PP to cease to exist. Even if Sheila or other people think they know what he wanted its beside the point. They will have zero to say about any of it.

I wondering if your are working on the assumption that his affairs are going to be tied up for years? Granted that's a lot of money in a short period of time, but if this gets wrapped up in less than a year, do you really believe it's all that bad? I understand there are other famous people who did have wills whose estates are tied up in court years after they've passed due to infighting. I don't know but outside of a few slip ups here and there, things are moving right along in an orderly fashion. Sure there are people who keep shouting how things are a mess but generally they don't elaborate on it any useful way beyond trying to sound right. Of course there were going to be a long list of potential heirs, are people really all that surprised about that? Seems like that's being handled. We'll see since it's not 100% cleared up. But so far it's just a bunch of paperwork being filed back and forth.

[Edited 8/11/16 11:06am]