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LBrent said:

strawberrylova123 said:

What boggles my mind is how people minimize chronic pain.

Yes. I agree. I'm a nurse so from the last picture, he looks like he has cancer, but it doesn't matter to me. What pisses me off is folks lumping drug DEPENDENCY (getting used to any prescribed medication and needing it to function) and drug ABUSE (using a substance, legal or illegal, recreationally for the purpose of "getting high"). There have been morons who have smoked birdseed with the intent of "getting high". Birdseed is harmless, but those people were ABUSING it. Don't misunderstand, if he was abusing whatever then that would still be an imperfect human doing something wrong, but with his lifelong friends and family members saying forever n interviews how he shunned drugs and alcohol , it seems highly unlikely to me that at this late in life he's suddenly a substance abuser. I refuse to believe that assessment of him. It's just not part of his character. What is consistent with his character is his protecting his privacy. I can believe that he had something chronic going on, was taking prescribed medication for that health issue, and doing these P&M concerts to say goodbye to fans, enjoying conversations with old friends to say goodbye (whether he told them he was sick or not), writing his memoirs, and trying to enjoy whatever time he had left. I think that he knew his time was limited. I think he wasn't going to allow himself to end up dying in a hospital, hospice or nursing home. I think dying people know they're dying and he had said in the old 1983 (?) Rolling Stone interview that everyone teased him about playing music, playing the last note, then dying. I think that was his plan. Work until he keeled over. I also think he may not have been exactly happy at the very end, but I do think he was satisfied with what he had accomplished. And that's not bad as a legacy. [Edited 8/4/16 3:35am]

First, I want to give you props as a Nurse because that is a tough job and an important one. Second, I'm not sure which picture you are referring to of Prince; however, I have said this from the very begninning and still do not believe that Prince was "terminally ill" (cancer, AIDS). He had just purchashed a brand-new guitar and piano, he was seen a few days before his death at the record store "Electric Fetus", and he was touring and working hard, like he always did. He may have been "thin" and "weak" in his appearance, but if someone is dying of cancer, they would not be able to walk around and do normal every day things. I speak of this personally, because I knew 2 people who were close to me who died from Cancer. In their final days, they were "bed ridden". My husband lost his Father to cancer, and I'm sure that being a Nurse, you would know the signs first-hand. With all due respect, I think Prince died from an "accidental overdose" of Fentanyl. And, it was also recently discovered that Prince had the syntetic opiate "U-47700" in his system when he died. It it still not known (to the public, at least) where he got those drugs from and from whom.......what doctor gave him that Fentanyl that caused him to overdose? Where did he get the synthetic drugs from? Did he take them unknowingly? Also, he was given "Narcan" when he overdosed on the airplane the first time. Narcan causes the person to go through "withdrawal". Prince should have been in a hospital, where he could be monitored, 24/7. Now, I know he was "Prince", but no doctor or hospital would ever let a patient just walk out of a hospital who was in such poor health! Prince was in the hospital the day before he passed because of "dehydration". Personally, I feel his doctor's failed him, miserably. There are many questions surrounding Prince's death, but I firmly do not believe he had AIDS or Cancer. Just my opinion.

[Edited 8/4/16 12:16pm]

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Bunsterdk said:

laurarichardson said:

derrick31 said:

Laurarichardson said: -- The only news source who ever said he had AIDS was a gossip blog and the National Enquier these news outlets never retract anything unless they are forced to via a lawsuit. The report we see does not list whatever other issues he had only the family gets to see it so no legitimate news source is going to report that he had AIDS. I am not going to waste my time with the rest of your nonsense since you prefer to get your news from the National Enquier.

That same gossip blog broke the Charlie Sheen story. [Edited 8/2/16 19:03pm]

-- Was anyone surprised about Charlie was it really news to anyone. I believe Prince had a zest for living I don't think he would have stop taking meds because of his religion. I am not even sure he was that devoted. He had plans to do 9 more shows and a show at stadium in August. I also have never heard of anyone with AIDS getting around the way he was. I could really see him fighting a hard battle with withdrawals and maybe waiting on test results concerning his organs (pain pills cause organ damage) or cancer. I am not saying it impossible that he had AIDS but doing a concert tour, throwing a party. I am just not seeing this behavior from someone with AIDS. Of course you cannot keep it a secret you have to disclose and he had a rack of women crying at his memorials and funerals were are the lawsuits we are almost four months out. [Edited 8/2/16 19:22pm] [Edited 8/2/16 19:54pm]

Agreed. The Enquirer

cloveringold85 said:

LBrent said:

strawberrylova123 said: Yes. I agree. I'm a nurse so from the last picture, he looks like he has cancer, but it doesn't matter to me. What pisses me off is folks lumping drug DEPENDENCY (getting used to any prescribed medication and needing it to function) and drug ABUSE (using a substance, legal or illegal, recreationally for the purpose of "getting high"). There have been morons who have smoked birdseed with the intent of "getting high". Birdseed is harmless, but those people were ABUSING it. Don't misunderstand, if he was abusing whatever then that would still be an imperfect human doing something wrong, but with his lifelong friends and family members saying forever n interviews how he shunned drugs and alcohol , it seems highly unlikely to me that at this late in life he's suddenly a substance abuser. I refuse to believe that assessment of him. It's just not part of his character. What is consistent with his character is his protecting his privacy. I can believe that he had something chronic going on, was taking prescribed medication for that health issue, and doing these P&M concerts to say goodbye to fans, enjoying conversations with old friends to say goodbye (whether he told them he was sick or not), writing his memoirs, and trying to enjoy whatever time he had left. I think that he knew his time was limited. I think he wasn't going to allow himself to end up dying in a hospital, hospice or nursing home. I think dying people know they're dying and he had said in the old 1983 (?) Rolling Stone interview that everyone teased him about playing music, playing the last note, then dying. I think that was his plan. Work until he keeled over. I also think he may not have been exactly happy at the very end, but I do think he was satisfied with what he had accomplished. And that's not bad as a legacy. [Edited 8/4/16 3:35am]

First, I want to give you props as a Nurse because that is a tough job and an important one. Second, I'm not sure which picture you are referring to of Prince; however, I have said this from the very begninning and still do not believe that Prince was "terminally ill" (cancer, AIDS). He had just purchashed a brand-new guitar and piano, he was seen a few days before his death at the record store "Electric Fetus", and he was touring and working hard, like he always did. He may have been "thin" and "weak" in his appearance, but if someone is dying of cancer, they would not be able to walk around and do normal every day things. I speak of this personally, because I knew 2 people who were close to me who died from Cancer. In their final days, they were "bed ridden". My husband lost his Father to cancer, and I'm sure that being a Nurse, you would know the signs first-hand. With all due respect, I think Prince died from an "accidental overdose" of Fentanyl. And, it was also recently discovered that Prince had the syntetic opiate "U-47700" in his system when he died. It it still not known (to the public, at least) where he got those drugs from and from whom.......what doctor gave him that Fentanyl that caused him to overdose? Where did he get the synthetic drugs from? Did he take them unknowingly? Also, he was given "Narcan" when he overdosed on the airplane the first time. Narcan causes the person to go through "withdrawal". Prince should have been in a hospital, where he could be monitored, 24/7. Now, I know he was "Prince", but no doctor or hospital would ever let a patient just walk out of a hospital who was in such poor health! Prince was in the hospital the day before he passed because of "dehydration". Personally, I feel his doctor's failed him, miserably. There are many questions surrounding Prince's death, but I firmly do not believe he had AIDS or Cancer. Just my opinion.

[Edited 8/4/16 12:16pm]

And in my opinion I believe it was the latter. If he had gone on longer eventually he would've been bed ridden at home or in the hospital. But I think his biggest fear is the same as mine or anyone for this matter: Dying a slow painful death. If it would've gotten to the point of him not touring, not being seen in public, or becoming bed ridden. People would DEFINITELY know something was wrong and it would've have shocked us like it did when his life ended.

It happened with Freddie Mercury. But he was used to being in control and he was doing everything in his power to not get his business out. He's was like that his entire career.

TurnItUp said:

cloveringold85 said:

First, I want to give you props as a Nurse because that is a tough job and an important one. Second, I'm not sure which picture you are referring to of Prince; however, I have said this from the very begninning and still do not believe that Prince was "terminally ill" (cancer, AIDS). He had just purchashed a brand-new guitar and piano, he was seen a few days before his death at the record store "Electric Fetus", and he was touring and working hard, like he always did. He may have been "thin" and "weak" in his appearance, but if someone is dying of cancer, they would not be able to walk around and do normal every day things. I speak of this personally, because I knew 2 people who were close to me who died from Cancer. In their final days, they were "bed ridden". My husband lost his Father to cancer, and I'm sure that being a Nurse, you would know the signs first-hand. With all due respect, I think Prince died from an "accidental overdose" of Fentanyl. And, it was also recently discovered that Prince had the syntetic opiate "U-47700" in his system when he died. It it still not known (to the public, at least) where he got those drugs from and from whom.......what doctor gave him that Fentanyl that caused him to overdose? Where did he get the synthetic drugs from? Did he take them unknowingly? Also, he was given "Narcan" when he overdosed on the airplane the first time. Narcan causes the person to go through "withdrawal". Prince should have been in a hospital, where he could be monitored, 24/7. Now, I know he was "Prince", but no doctor or hospital would ever let a patient just walk out of a hospital who was in such poor health! Prince was in the hospital the day before he passed because of "dehydration". Personally, I feel his doctor's failed him, miserably. There are many questions surrounding Prince's death, but I firmly do not believe he had AIDS or Cancer. Just my opinion.

[Edited 8/4/16 12:16pm]

And in my opinion I believe it was the latter. If he had gone on longer eventually he would've been bed ridden at home or in the hospital. But I think his biggest fear is the same as mine or anyone for this matter: Dying a slow painful death. If it would've gotten to the point of him not touring, not being seen in public, or becoming bed ridden. People would DEFINITELY know something was wrong and it would've have shocked us like it did when his life ended.

It happened with Freddie Mercury. But he was used to being in control and he was doing everything in his power to not get his business out. He's was like that his entire career.

Because none of us really know the "facts" surrounding Prince's death, it's all speculation. It is quite possible that Prince could have had any number of diseases/health issues. It is possible he could have had AIDS, but like I said earlier, I don't believe that he did. I too, thought of Freddie Mercury and he did not announce his disease until the day he passed away however; he looked "visibly" ill in the last couple years of his life. Treatment for the AIDS virus has advanced considerably in the past couple of decades, and many people can live a long life with AIDS, "if" they are getting proper treatment. If this was the case with Prince, I seriously don't think he would "go off" his meds. And, we all know Prince was not the type of person to just "give up". I think he died of an overdose and his doctor's should be held accountable. Prince should have not been taking Fentanyl. Okay, I better stop here!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

/// Dr.S disappeared from the Earth. So what does that say.

=++ nothing good, imo. it's all too damn weird and unecessarily so. hurts my heart.

I was thinking it was Kirk that dropped him off...didn't he send the bodyguard home for a week?

wavesofbliss said:

To those who believe Prince had Cancer..... I have said this from the very begninning and still do not believe that Prince was "terminally ill" (cancer, AIDS). He had just purchashed a brand-new guitar and piano, he was seen a few days before his death at the record store "Electric Fetus", and he was touring and working hard, like he always did. He may have been "thin" and "weak" in his appearance, but if someone is dying of cancer, they would not be able to walk around and do normal every day things. I speak of this personally, because I knew 2 people who were close to me who died from Cancer. In their final days, they were "bed ridden". My husband lost his Father to cancer, and I'm sure that being a Nurse, you would know the signs first-hand. With all due respect, I think Prince died from an "accidental overdose" of Fentanyl. And, it was also recently discovered that Prince had the syntetic opiate "U-47700" in his system when he died. It it still not known (to the public, at least) where he got those drugs from and from whom.....what doctor gave him that Fentanyl that caused him to overdose? Where did he get the synthetic drugs from? Did he take them unknowingly? Also, he was given "Narcan" when he overdosed on the airplane the first time. Narcan causes the person to go through "withdrawal". Prince should have been in a hospital, where he could be monitored, 24/7. Now, I know he was "Prince", but no doctor or hospital would ever let a patient just walk out of a hospital who was in such poor health! Prince was in the hospital the day before he passed because of "dehydration". Personally, I feel his doctor's failed him, miserably. There are many questions surrounding Prince's death, but I firmly do not believe he had AIDS or Cancer. Just my opinion.

blueshouse21 said:

I was thinking it was Kirk that dropped him off...didn't he send the bodyguard home for a week?

That still remains a mystery....WHO dropped off Prince? So many unanswered questions.

cloveringold85 said:

blueshouse21 said:

I was thinking it was Kirk that dropped him off...didn't he send the bodyguard home for a week?

That still remains a mystery....WHO dropped off Prince? So many unanswered questions.

Isn't it a coincidence he happened to give him the week off the night before he died?

How would Prince have handled the public knowing he was going to rehab?

sharonbell said:

cloveringold85 said:

That still remains a mystery....WHO dropped off Prince? So many unanswered questions.

Isn't it a coincidence he happened to give him the week off the night before he died?

How would Prince have handled the public knowing he was going to rehab?

good question.

sharonbell said:

cloveringold85 said:

That still remains a mystery....WHO dropped off Prince? So many unanswered questions.

Isn't it a coincidence he happened to give him the week off the night before he died?

How would Prince have handled the public knowing he was going to rehab?

The public would not have to know he went to rehab. I really believe other health issues were going on besided the pain medince. You have to realize if he had joint pain and was withdrawing he would have been dealing with pain withdrawals and the joint pain at the same time.

cloveringold85 said:

To those who believe Prince had Cancer..... I have said this from the very begninning and still do not believe that Prince was "terminally ill" (cancer, AIDS). He had just purchashed a brand-new guitar and piano, he was seen a few days before his death at the record store "Electric Fetus", and he was touring and working hard, like he always did. He may have been "thin" and "weak" in his appearance, but if someone is dying of cancer, they would not be able to walk around and do normal every day things. I speak of this personally, because I knew 2 people who were close to me who died from Cancer. In their final days, they were "bed ridden". My husband lost his Father to cancer, and I'm sure that being a Nurse, you would know the signs first-hand. With all due respect, I think Prince died from an "accidental overdose" of Fentanyl. And, it was also recently discovered that Prince had the syntetic opiate "U-47700" in his system when he died. It it still not known (to the public, at least) where he got those drugs from and from whom.....what doctor gave him that Fentanyl that caused him to overdose? Where did he get the synthetic drugs from? Did he take them unknowingly? Also, he was given "Narcan" when he overdosed on the airplane the first time. Narcan causes the person to go through "withdrawal". Prince should have been in a hospital, where he could be monitored, 24/7. Now, I know he was "Prince", but no doctor or hospital would ever let a patient just walk out of a hospital who was in such poor health! Prince was in the hospital the day before he passed because of "dehydration". Personally, I feel his doctor's failed him, miserably. There are many questions surrounding Prince's death, but I firmly do not believe he had AIDS or Cancer. Just my opinion.

I agree that Prince should have been in the hospital -- he shouldn't have chosen to leave when he did, or at least he should have gone to a hospital immediately when he arrived back in MN. But he didn't and that was his choice to make. I know this point has been made here before, multiple times, but I'll reiterate anyway: ERs and hospitals are not prisons, and unless it's a mental health crisis situation people have the right to refuse treatment and to leave if they want. The hospital can't chain them to the bed no matter how much that person really SHOULD be receiving inpatient treatment and medical attention.

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Also I certainly don't know for a fact whether Prince had a terminal illness along with the chronic pain issues, etc we're all aware of now, but it's my own suspicion that he was ill and had been so for awhile. And if it was cancer, we unfortunately all have known people with cancer and every cancer patient is different depending on a host of factors, so what Prince would or wouldn't be doing, or could or couldn't be doing IF he had cancer (or another terminal illness) is pure speculation/opinion. I'm sorry for the loved ones you knew who died from cancer, and for what they experienced, but I know of two people myself, one who had breast cancer and went thru treatment and all the unpleasant and ugly side effects that comes with treatment and she did as many normal things as she could throughout her ordeal, even worked until she had to take a leave for awhile... and I have a cousin who had colon and rectal cancer and he got very very thin during treatment, he was tired and weak and you could see he was sick, yet he continued to live life as normally as he was able especially when he was having a 'good' day and felt well enough to go out and do things. Thankfully he's doing well now as is the woman I know who survived her breast cancer.

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Prince could have had cancer or another disease that made him so weak and thin and if so, that wouldn't have absolutely, necessarily precluded him for going out and living his life the best he could. That guy didn't like to be told what to do, not even by his own body, imo. So claiming there's no way he could have had cancer due to the fact he did A or B or C in the months prior to his passing is not a viable argument, imo.

slowlywiltingflower said:

I dont think fans want to know every detail.. I think most of us just want to be assured that nothing was done to Prince in order to kill him..

slowlywiltingflower said:

cloveringold85 said:

To those who believe Prince had Cancer..... I have said this from the very begninning and still do not believe that Prince was "terminally ill" (cancer, AIDS). He had just purchashed a brand-new guitar and piano, he was seen a few days before his death at the record store "Electric Fetus", and he was touring and working hard, like he always did. He may have been "thin" and "weak" in his appearance, but if someone is dying of cancer, they would not be able to walk around and do normal every day things. I speak of this personally, because I knew 2 people who were close to me who died from Cancer. In their final days, they were "bed ridden". My husband lost his Father to cancer, and I'm sure that being a Nurse, you would know the signs first-hand. With all due respect, I think Prince died from an "accidental overdose" of Fentanyl. And, it was also recently discovered that Prince had the syntetic opiate "U-47700" in his system when he died. It it still not known (to the public, at least) where he got those drugs from and from whom.....what doctor gave him that Fentanyl that caused him to overdose? Where did he get the synthetic drugs from? Did he take them unknowingly? Also, he was given "Narcan" when he overdosed on the airplane the first time. Narcan causes the person to go through "withdrawal". Prince should have been in a hospital, where he could be monitored, 24/7. Now, I know he was "Prince", but no doctor or hospital would ever let a patient just walk out of a hospital who was in such poor health! Prince was in the hospital the day before he passed because of "dehydration". Personally, I feel his doctor's failed him, miserably. There are many questions surrounding Prince's death, but I firmly do not believe he had AIDS or Cancer. Just my opinion.

I agree that Prince should have been in the hospital -- he shouldn't have chosen to leave when he did, or at least he should have gone to a hospital immediately when he arrived back in MN. But he didn't and that was his choice to make. I know this point has been made here before, multiple times, but I'll reiterate anyway: ERs and hospitals are not prisons, and unless it's a mental health crisis situation people have the right to refuse treatment and to leave if they want. The hospital can't chain them to the bed no matter how much that person really SHOULD be receiving inpatient treatment and medical attention.

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Also I certainly don't know for a fact whether Prince had a terminal illness along with the chronic pain issues, etc we're all aware of now, but it's my own suspicion that he was ill and had been so for awhile. And if it was cancer, we unfortunately all have known people with cancer and every cancer patient is different depending on a host of factors, so what Prince would or wouldn't be doing, or could or couldn't be doing IF he had cancer (or another terminal illness) is pure speculation/opinion. I'm sorry for the loved ones you knew who died from cancer, and for what they experienced, but I know of two people myself, one who had breast cancer and went thru treatment and all the unpleasant and ugly side effects that comes with treatment and she did as many normal things as she could throughout her ordeal, even worked until she had to take a leave for awhile... and I have a cousin who had colon and rectal cancer and he got very very thin during treatment, he was tired and weak and you could see he was sick, yet he continued to live life as normally as he was able especially when he was having a 'good' day and felt well enough to go out and do things. Thankfully he's doing well now as is the woman I know who survived her breast cancer.

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Prince could have had cancer or another disease that made him so weak and thin and if so, that wouldn't have absolutely, necessarily precluded him for going out and living his life the best he could. That guy didn't like to be told what to do, not even by his own body, imo. So claiming there's no way he could have had cancer due to the fact he did A or B or C in the months prior to his passing is not a viable argument, imo.

Slowly....I do appreciate your comment/thoughts. Yes, there is a possibility that he could have had "C", but my guts tells me he did not, and also the way he was living his life and going about his business just did not seem to be that of a person who has "C". I'm sorry that you have also been affected by people close to you who are struggling with "C". I actually hate that word. I orginally replied to someone on here who claims to be a "Nurse", but she did not reply to me. I agree with you though, Prince lived his life the way he wanted to and he didn't take orders from anyone. The part I don't understand is that he was so meticulous about taking care of himself and eating healthy, and I just don't understand why he wouldn't want to stay in the hospital and get well? Whatever his reasons, we have to respect them.

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

I agree that Prince should have been in the hospital -- he shouldn't have chosen to leave when he did, or at least he should have gone to a hospital immediately when he arrived back in MN. But he didn't and that was his choice to make. I know this point has been made here before, multiple times, but I'll reiterate anyway: ERs and hospitals are not prisons, and unless it's a mental health crisis situation people have the right to refuse treatment and to leave if they want. The hospital can't chain them to the bed no matter how much that person really SHOULD be receiving inpatient treatment and medical attention.

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Also I certainly don't know for a fact whether Prince had a terminal illness along with the chronic pain issues, etc we're all aware of now, but it's my own suspicion that he was ill and had been so for awhile. And if it was cancer, we unfortunately all have known people with cancer and every cancer patient is different depending on a host of factors, so what Prince would or wouldn't be doing, or could or couldn't be doing IF he had cancer (or another terminal illness) is pure speculation/opinion. I'm sorry for the loved ones you knew who died from cancer, and for what they experienced, but I know of two people myself, one who had breast cancer and went thru treatment and all the unpleasant and ugly side effects that comes with treatment and she did as many normal things as she could throughout her ordeal, even worked until she had to take a leave for awhile... and I have a cousin who had colon and rectal cancer and he got very very thin during treatment, he was tired and weak and you could see he was sick, yet he continued to live life as normally as he was able especially when he was having a 'good' day and felt well enough to go out and do things. Thankfully he's doing well now as is the woman I know who survived her breast cancer.

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Prince could have had cancer or another disease that made him so weak and thin and if so, that wouldn't have absolutely, necessarily precluded him for going out and living his life the best he could. That guy didn't like to be told what to do, not even by his own body, imo. So claiming there's no way he could have had cancer due to the fact he did A or B or C in the months prior to his passing is not a viable argument, imo.

I have to chime in here. My father is an alcoholic. Several years ago he was in the hospital because he started having seizures. Basically he had all but stopped eating and was mostly just consuming alcohol. He needed treatment badly and the doctor told him so but refused to go. There was nothing the hospital could do. They kept him long enough to dry out and then they had to release him. Unless someone is considered a threat to themselves (e.g. suicidal) they can't be forced to do something against their will. With Prince the only things we know for certain are from the sheriff's press conference where they ruled out suicide and the medical examiner's report which said it was an accidental overdose. We still don't know for certain what happened on the plane. The assumption is it was an overdose but has there ever been an official confirmation from law enforcement or the hospital that it was? Could the hospital even give out that information? We know that shortly before he passed P was spotted at the Electric Fetus record shop and 2 days before he died he took in a show at the Dakota Jazz Club (I think I read somewhere that Josh & Hannah Welton were with him, could have been others like Kirk too). Dakota employees that saw him said he looked and seemed fine. The only conclusion I can come to is those around him in the last few days were not concerned enough that they didn't think he could be left alone. Because if they were concerned that something bad could happen (accidental or otherwise) they wouldn't have left him alone.

Rog.......very good points you make and I ask myself those same questions and have the same thoughts. Prince never came out and told the public what was going on, so we may never know.

Dolphinking23 said:

I dont think fans want to know every detail.. I think most of us just want to be assured that nothing was done to Prince in order to kill him..

I don't want to know every detail of what happened to Prince, but I do suspect foul-play. I don't think it was just a "accidental overdose" -- I think there was more going on than the authorities will disclose. Those doctors who were prescribing Prince those meds have a lot to answer to. Just saying.

[Edited 8/10/16 12:39pm]

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

I agree that Prince should have been in the hospital -- he shouldn't have chosen to leave when he did, or at least he should have gone to a hospital immediately when he arrived back in MN. But he didn't and that was his choice to make. I know this point has been made here before, multiple times, but I'll reiterate anyway: ERs and hospitals are not prisons, and unless it's a mental health crisis situation people have the right to refuse treatment and to leave if they want. The hospital can't chain them to the bed no matter how much that person really SHOULD be receiving inpatient treatment and medical attention.

-

Also I certainly don't know for a fact whether Prince had a terminal illness along with the chronic pain issues, etc we're all aware of now, but it's my own suspicion that he was ill and had been so for awhile. And if it was cancer, we unfortunately all have known people with cancer and every cancer patient is different depending on a host of factors, so what Prince would or wouldn't be doing, or could or couldn't be doing IF he had cancer (or another terminal illness) is pure speculation/opinion. I'm sorry for the loved ones you knew who died from cancer, and for what they experienced, but I know of two people myself, one who had breast cancer and went thru treatment and all the unpleasant and ugly side effects that comes with treatment and she did as many normal things as she could throughout her ordeal, even worked until she had to take a leave for awhile... and I have a cousin who had colon and rectal cancer and he got very very thin during treatment, he was tired and weak and you could see he was sick, yet he continued to live life as normally as he was able especially when he was having a 'good' day and felt well enough to go out and do things. Thankfully he's doing well now as is the woman I know who survived her breast cancer.

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Prince could have had cancer or another disease that made him so weak and thin and if so, that wouldn't have absolutely, necessarily precluded him for going out and living his life the best he could. That guy didn't like to be told what to do, not even by his own body, imo. So claiming there's no way he could have had cancer due to the fact he did A or B or C in the months prior to his passing is not a viable argument, imo.

I have to chime in here. My father is an alcoholic. Several years ago he was in the hospital because he started having seizures. Basically he had all but stopped eating and was mostly just consuming alcohol. He needed treatment badly and the doctor told him so but refused to go. There was nothing the hospital could do. They kept him long enough to dry out and then they had to release him. Unless someone is considered a threat to themselves (e.g. suicidal) they can't be forced to do something against their will. With Prince the only things we know for certain are from the sheriff's press conference where they ruled out suicide and the medical examiner's report which said it was an accidental overdose. We still don't know for certain what happened on the plane. The assumption is it was an overdose but has there ever been an official confirmation from law enforcement or the hospital that it was? Could the hospital even give out that information? We know that shortly before he passed P was spotted at the Electric Fetus record shop and 2 days before he died he took in a show at the Dakota Jazz Club (I think I read somewhere that Josh & Hannah Welton were with him, could have been others like Kirk too). Dakota employees that saw him said he looked and seemed fine. The only conclusion I can come to is those around him in the last few days were not concerned enough that they didn't think he could be left alone. Because if they were concerned that something bad could happen (accidental or otherwise) they wouldn't have left him alone.

Rog.....I'm sorry, I wanted to respond to what you said about your Father being an alcoholic. First let me say, my heart goes out to you because I have experienced a similar situation. I do hope your Father is doing well and is getting help. I grew-up in an alcoholic home, my Mother would drink (she passed away 2-1/2 years ago from COPD). My Sister also drinks and I have unable to help her, so I know your pain. The addict has to get help for themselves. All we can do is hope and pray that they will get the help and treatment that they need.

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