Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

The word is may. This SMO could be total bull and it is not going to help this person if they have not made a claim with the court. Why would you even go to another lab outside of the court appointed one? Shady.

Disagree. Not shady at all, he is trying to preserve his privacy as much as possible. I'm not going to debate this with you Laurarichardson. You can have your opinion but it would really be nice if you'd stop throwing shade at everyone whenever you respond and just post a response without the hostility attached to it. No one wants to be bothered when you do that. Sorry if you don't like hearing that, but that's what I've been seeing consistently with your posts to everyone

There is no hostility in my responses. You simply do not like them. I am asking questions and the answers are not good.

You are referencing the SMO which to me is not a good source. If this story is even true this person is being foolish by going to an outside lab. In addition, the court already stated that anyone claiming to be a child will have their claim sealed until a decision is made. If this person wants to get their inheirantence they need to submit a claim to the court in Minneapolis A.S.A.P. and use the court appointed lab.

They have already wasted time with this lab in Santa Monica and if they are an heir they can forget about being unknown if the judge deciedes to let the media in for heir decisions which he said he would do on a case by case basis.

You need to go and read the court papers and so does this mystery person. He or she is as shady as the Greshams or Claire Boyd .

tmo1965 said:

sfinky1 said:

^^^ if he had any major illness or health condition it would have been listed in the autopsy report, it was was not. End of.

1st, I'm not one to believe what is posted in the likes of the National Enquirer, but let's assume that Prince had HIV/AIDS (which I don't think so), but the actual cause of death was the Fentanyl OD. Since it was the Fentanyl that killed him and not the HIV, the autopsy report will only list the Fentanyl as the cause of death. If he had cancer or anything else, it would appear on the complete report, but not the one that the public sees. So, just because it's not on the report does mean that he did not have something else.

Besides, if he had HIV, he could take the meds and live a normal life these days. It's not the death sentence that it once was.

Yes, very few people die of AIDS because medication is avalible for HIV. Just another reason it does not add up and I said I would not be surprised if he had HIV or some other sexually transmitted problem it does not mean that is what killed him.

laurarichardson said:

Bunsterdk said:

This is the problem with trying to give meaning to even the smallest clues. He didn't say he was spoken for on Arsenio from what I remember, merely that he wasn't available for this woman to date. It was a joke overall, he was breaking up with her on behalf of her boyfriend. Don't read too much into it. He said that he was celibate and had been for years - or was at least doing his best to be. I am not going to guess what he meant by that and I really don't want to know, but celibacy means abstaining from any type of sex. With or without a partner. So you can't use this to conclude that he was seeing anyone in particular. Only that he struggled a bit with this as could be expected. No shame in that. He did his best with whatever challenges he faced, I'm sure. I honestly think he wasn't nearly as busy with the ladies maybe even earlier on as his image. But most no doubt fell for him and hoped for more. I see him as someone who could have many friends of the opposite sex just because he liked hanging out with women.

// There are big ass clues and I have pointed them out. Yet know one wants to address them. Where I come from spoken for means " I am seeing someone" I think you also fail to acknowledge that pain pills can cause impotency and that their are a lot of things you can do without penetration if you listen to a lot of his lyrics from the last 10 years their are plenty of lyrics about oral sex and self pleasuring. I do not believe he flew 20 something women up to Paisly Park for no reason then just to hang out. Remember last year when his Facebook page was hacked one of the things he was of accused of was sitting around on his computers trying to hook up with celebs. To me being social, being productive with music, touring and plaint ropy is not the behavior of someone with AIDS. Who makes plans to go to a rehab/pain management center when they are dying of AIDS. He had medical issues but I believe the stituation became severe in his final days and I think those test results Dr. S was bringing was going to be bad news. [Edited 8/1/16 8:44am] [Edited 8/1/16 8:47am] [Edited 8/1/16 8:48am]

It's also something a person may say if they are not interested in getting into a relationship at the moment, but don't want to hurt the other person's feelings.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Disagree. Not shady at all, he is trying to preserve his privacy as much as possible. I'm not going to debate this with you Laurarichardson. You can have your opinion but it would really be nice if you'd stop throwing shade at everyone whenever you respond and just post a response without the hostility attached to it. No one wants to be bothered when you do that. Sorry if you don't like hearing that, but that's what I've been seeing consistently with your posts to everyone

There is no hostility in my responses. You simply do not like them. I am asking questions and the answers are not good.

You are referencing the SMO which to me is not a good source. If this story is even true this person is being foolish by going to an outside lab. In addition, the court already stated that anyone claiming to be a child will have their claim sealed until a decision is made. If this person wants to get their inheirantence they need to submit a claim to the court in Minneapolis A.S.A.P. and use the court appointed lab.

They have already wasted time with this lab in Santa Monica and if they are an heir they can forget about being unknown if the judge deciedes to let the media in for heir decisions which he said he would do on a case by case basis.

You need to go and read the court papers and so does this mystery person. He or she is as shady as the Greshams or Claire Boyd .

Okay. But here's the thing, you have opinions that I just can't go with almost at all for many reasons, it's got nothing to do with liking them or not. The answers are just fine, you just don't want to let things end there. You had initially agreed that we would agree to disagree, then came back with all this bs. You constantly put up stumbling blocks that YOU can't think beyond nor move past and expect your target to engage in these time-wasting dialogues with you. You can not seem to understand that others have different opinions than you do about what we are reading and interpret differently and start browbeating those who say something otherwise. This is the reason why I have avoided engaging you because I see what you do to others here.

You and I are done on this subject laurarichardson and most likely all other topics. We don't agree, we don't see eye to eye...and I can live with that. You'll just need to learn how to do the same.

Mumio said:

tmo1965 said:

selah said:

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

Bunsterdk said:

This is the problem with trying to give meaning to even the smallest clues. He didn't say he was spoken for on Arsenio from what I remember, merely that he wasn't available for this woman to date. It was a joke overall, he was breaking up with her on behalf of her boyfriend. Don't read too much into it. He said that he was celibate and had been for years - or was at least doing his best to be. I am not going to guess what he meant by that and I really don't want to know, but celibacy means abstaining from any type of sex. With or without a partner. So you can't use this to conclude that he was seeing anyone in particular. Only that he struggled a bit with this as could be expected. No shame in that. He did his best with whatever challenges he faced, I'm sure. I honestly think he wasn't nearly as busy with the ladies maybe even earlier on as his image. But most no doubt fell for him and hoped for more. I see him as someone who could have many friends of the opposite sex just because he liked hanging out with women.

// There are big ass clues and I have pointed them out. Yet know one wants to address them. Where I come from spoken for means " I am seeing someone" I think you also fail to acknowledge that pain pills can cause impotency and that their are a lot of things you can do without penetration if you listen to a lot of his lyrics from the last 10 years their are plenty of lyrics about oral sex and self pleasuring. I do not believe he flew 20 something women up to Paisly Park for no reason then just to hang out. Remember last year when his Facebook page was hacked one of the things he was of accused of was sitting around on his computers trying to hook up with celebs. To me being social, being productive with music, touring and plaint ropy is not the behavior of someone with AIDS. Who makes plans to go to a rehab/pain management center when they are dying of AIDS. He had medical issues but I believe the stituation became severe in his final days and I think those test results Dr. S was bringing was going to be bad news. [Edited 8/1/16 8:44am] [Edited 8/1/16 8:47am] [Edited 8/1/16 8:48am]

It's also something a person may say if they are not interested in getting into a relationship at the moment, but don't want to hurt the other person's feelings.

P said "no, I'm not available"..I've used that one to express that meaning
[Edited 8/1/16 11:54am]

BillieBalloon said:

Mumio said:

We are talking about two different dna samples. You are talking about the one obtained during the autopsy. I am talking about the dna that may have been used by that Santa Monica lab on the unknown 30-something year old Midwestern man who contacted Heir Finders who may be an heir. Without going into all the detail I've mentioned elsewhere on the org, you can obtain DNA from almost anything: hair caught in a hairbrush, dental floss, a used bandaid, a drinking cup, a toothbrush, and so on and so on. We all leave our dna all over the place. It came up because supposedly this man couldn't have been tested against the autopsy dna at an unauthorized lab but they said he came up as a 99% match. But no one knows if his mother may have gotten some when Prince (allegedly) spent time with her from any of the things I mentioned above. If he wants to file the article said he will have to be tested per protocol and file his claim...believe they said by September. Re the HIV/AIDS thing: if he didn't have it at the time the dna (non-autopsy) was obtained, then it wouldn't show he had the disease. And finally...yes, I'm well aware of all the other info you stated.

I'm putting no credence in this unofficial DNA sample which may or may not have been obtained by the mother. The likelihood of this woman having Prince's DNA from the 80s is remote. She is supposed to have saved one of his hairs? Why would she do that? As you said we shall have to see if the boy matches Prince's official DNA sample. Until then I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Regarding the AIDS issue, of course it depends on when you contracted the virus for it show up in your blood, that's common sense. There is zero evidence at present that Prince died from anything other than an opioid overdose. All of his symptoms could be related to just that and nothing else. Right now, we don't know. [Edited 8/1/16 11:52am]

Fine, great....do and think what you like, I am not trying to sway your opinion nor change your mind. You asked a question about something I said and I answered it as completely as I could. There was nothing more to it than that.

[Edited 8/1/16 12:12pm]

selah said:

selah said:

P said "no, I'm not available"..I've used that one to express that meaning
[Edited 8/1/16 11:54am]

purplethunder3121 said:

BillieBalloon said:

I'm putting no credence in this unofficial DNA sample which may or may not have been obtained by the mother. The likelihood of this woman having Prince's DNA from the 80s is remote. She is supposed to have saved one of his hairs? Why would she do that? As you said we shall have to see if the boy matches Prince's official DNA sample. Until then I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Regarding the AIDS issue, of course it depends on when you contracted the virus for it show up in your blood, that's common sense. There is zero evidence at present that Prince died from anything other than an opioid overdose. All of his symptoms could be related to just that and nothing else. Right now, we don't know. [Edited 8/1/16 11:52am]

i agree with this and i still can't help that there was an underlying illness, mostly likey cancer, that excelerated things.

wavesofbliss said:

BillieBalloon said:

I'm putting no credence in this unofficial DNA sample which may or may not have been obtained by the mother. The likelihood of this woman having Prince's DNA from the 80s is remote. She is supposed to have saved one of his hairs? Why would she do that? As you said we shall have to see if the boy matches Prince's official DNA sample. Until then I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Regarding the AIDS issue, of course it depends on when you contracted the virus for it show up in your blood, that's common sense. There is zero evidence at present that Prince died from anything other than an opioid overdose. All of his symptoms could be related to just that and nothing else. Right now, we don't know. [Edited 8/1/16 11:52am]

i agree with this and i still can't help that there was an underlying illness, mostly likey cancer, that excelerated things.

selah said:

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Fine, great....do and think what you like, I am not trying to sway your opinion nor change your mind. You asked a question about something I said and I answered it as completely as I could. There was nothing more to it than that.

[Edited 8/1/16 12:12pm]

-// The problem is your response to the question 😳

laurarichardson, this is not your question nor your issue. Butt out and stop stirring the pot.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

--- Exactly. Why would anyone think that someone is holding a DNA sample from the 80s? When some women could have just taken Prince to court in Paternity suit 30 years ago. Some people on this board don't get out much NBA and NFL players get hooked by paternity suits everyday no sane women is passing up millions for herself or child because they want their identity to be a secret. Who even would believe such a thing.

All I'm going to say for those who apparently have no foresight whatsoever is this: maybe the mom thought she was pregnant. We don't know how many liasons, how often....nothing at all. Maybe she thought she should save something for "insurance". Some people are very smart about this kind of stuff. We don't know the answers to these questions, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth consideration nor are they invalid...even if you didn't think of it. People have their reasons for what they do or don't do and it's impossible to know the why of it. Doesn't mean it's not in the realm of possibility though and definitely deserves consideration.

[Edited 8/1/16 14:12pm]

[Edited 8/1/16 14:19pm]

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

--- Exactly. Why would anyone think that someone is holding a DNA sample from the 80s? When some women could have just taken Prince to court in Paternity suit 30 years ago. Some people on this board don't get out much NBA and NFL players get hooked by paternity suits everyday no sane women is passing up millions for herself or child because they want their identity to be a secret. Who even would believe such a thing.

And by the way, that's MY nod you are responding to so now you agree with me?

[Edited 8/1/16 14:15pm]

selah said:

tmo1965 said:

It's also something a person may say if they are not interested in getting into a relationship at the moment, but don't want to hurt the other person's feelings.

[Edited 8/1/16 11:56am]

Exactly. We can get different reads on things people say...this is definitely what could have been interpreted from that remark.

Bunsterdk said:

Yeah, I tried making that point several posts back. I don't think facts matter.

I'm really really getting your point.

These pics make me sad all over again.

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

I posted this in another thread...Just my thoughts...

My personal suspicion is that he started taking pain relief to deal with problems with his hips and knees sustained over years of frenetic dancing (some of his moves are suggestive of someone with hypermobility) and that this led to liver damage (cirrhosis).

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I've been thinking about the following factors:

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* I noticed he was starting to get a slightly yellowish hue to his skin which is indicative of liver problems;
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*the low red blood cell count mentioned (another symptom of liver disease);

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*the loss of appetite;

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*the stomach problems / nausea reported by the chef;

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*the weight loss;

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*the lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane (referred to as 'stupor');

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*the fact that he was wearing clothes that completely covered him from head to toe (bruising is another symptom);

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*the fact that the doctor was coming round on the morning of his death with blood test results (possibly to confirm end-stage liver disease - the maximum score on which indicates about 90 days left of life);

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*P's hints in his songs and performances that he didn't have long left (cirrhosis is ultimately fatal, without, usually, a liver transplant);

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*the fact that JWs won't allow organ transplants (a liver transplant being, really, the only potential solution);

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*the fact that the cause of death was cited as being Fentanyl toxicity - cirrhosis slows the liver’s ability to filter medications from the blood. When this slowdown occurs, medications act longer than expected and build up in the body;
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* the fact that the family seem content to allow his cause of death to be listed purely as accidental Fentanyl overdose - because, actually, if liver damage makes one more susceptible to toxicity then, yes, the Fentanyl could WELL be the actual cause of death (perhaps any liver damage wasn't - yet - at the point of being fatal).
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I'm posting what I consider to be a very informative site on the topic:
https://www.niddk.nih.gov...facts.aspx

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Please be kind - it IS only my speculation...It just seems to make sense to me, given the absence of anything more from those 'in the know'.

Dibblekins said:

Bunsterdk said:

Dibblekins said:

I posted this in another thread...Just my thoughts...

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*the fact that JWs won't allow organ transplants (a liver transplant being, really, the only potential solution);

JW do allow organ transplants. Individual JW may choose not to receive organs, but it's a personal choice.

Ahhh - OK - I asked the ones that called here and they said, no, they didn't allow any sort of transplant / transfusion of that nature. It sounds like there might not be a consensus!

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

And by the way, that's MY nod you are responding to so now you agree with me?

[Edited 8/1/16 14:15pm]

--- I am agreeing he had a an underlying illness like cancer which Wave of Bliss thinks as well. You are nodding as well so now you think it was cancer instead of AIDS.

You really need to learn how to read concurrent posts to understand how people have responded to others. You can't just take the pieces you want to take and make it fit your agenda. Good grief.

[Edited 8/1/16 15:23pm]

Dibblekins said:

morningsong said:

I'm so confused.

I feel ya.