But I have heard he treated my girl Rosie bad...
[This message was edited Tue Apr 1 21:46:24 PST 2003 by lovebizzare]

lovebizzare said:

Kiki!

(Anyway, where's your pic?)

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[This message was edited Tue Apr 1 21:44:19 PST 2003 by Anji]

Anji said:

I'm workin' on it

Anji said:

I Disagree

Sdldawn said:

lovebizzare said:

Woah, what?

Anji said:

I read that somewhere here on the org..so you never know...

I also enjoyed watching Prince and the Game Boyz dance together in concert. That was a fun period in the Prince timeline. Plus we got some cool videos back then, Cream, Gett Off, and Diamonds & Pearls was beautifully filmed. I didn't dislike Tony M,Damon, or Kirk it was a new direction for Princes music and look. Of course I wouldn't want it to have continued any longer than it did, change with Prince is always a intelligent idea/direction.

Can somebody post a picture of Tony M.? Although I'm sure he's not more good looking that Prince.

loosekiss said:

TongueBox said:

This is a nice summary of that period, Tongue.

Anji said:

Right on.

I think the Doug E. stuff is plain awful and Chuck D. is not much better. Not to mention Scrap D. or whatever his name was from "Chaos".

I’d certainly *never* buy an album written and produced by Tony M. Ugh. That would be awful. But Tony M. has a definite smooth, hard, clear style that is perfect for the music Prince was making at that time.

He was just another instrument and I think Prince used his limited skills well. However, live Tony M. could really be embarrassing at times.

Brendan said:

Maybe, that's why Prince warned us not to come to the concert in those days? It appears Tony could kill many an eardrum, especially on his Live 4 Love performance.

Used to be a huge hiphop fan.. that was before I was a Prince fan.. so I like most hiphop..

I Dig Hip-Hop from all over the States.DJ Quik is High on My List dig Dre,Public Enemy,Ice Cube,MC Lyte,KRS-ONE,Snoop,Rakim,&the Older stuff mainly.Hip-Hop nearly Burried Prince because when it came on strong He at first dissed it on "the Black Album"&then He figured He couldn't beat it so He went out&got the Wackest Rappers he could Find&His Rapping was as Funny as Eddie Murphy's Singing IMHO.

mistermaxxx said:

ROTFLMAO!

I also liked the classic albums from A Tribe Called Quest (Midnight Marauders), De La Soul (3 Feet High & Rising), Arrested Development (3 Years, 5 Months & 2 Days In The Life Of...) and The Fugees (The Score).

wonders how many times the title of this thread will change...

Anyway, I like some hip hop but I'm not deep into it, never have been. Tony M sucked donkey balls. I think a lot of Prince fans are dismissive of hip hop, that's just the vibe I get reading posts...

CalhounSq said:

I've noticed that too that Hip Hop gets dogged a lot on the Org. I like HIP HOP and I will continue to say that there is a different in some of the music some artist will put on MTV and the music they will put out on the street. I've seen this with Jay-Z, Nas, and other Hip Hop artist.

Back to the topic...Tony M wasn't the best rapper and Prince isn't either. There are some points when Princes raps remind me of Blondie.

CalhounSq said:

I've noticed many people here do not talk objectively about their opinions on hip-hop, especially in context to its influence on Prince's music. It's often related to factors peripheral to the music, it's related to the culture...

Luv hiphop!

I love Hip Hop! Rap is not something Prince has utilised well in his music.I always thought DMSR could have been a nod to what was happening at the time, stuff like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five etc and i feel that kind of worked back then.

It's largely a style that passed Prince by and i don't think he respects rap as an art, and when he did start using it, it sounded kind of lame and insincere IMO.

..and Tony M was Shit!

As long as it's not the stereotypical hip hop I'm open to it. I'm partial to the late 80s/early 90s hip hop overall, before the "Gangsta" bullcrap. Prince's use of rappers never had the smooth transition that his other 180 degree turns did. It came across as if he was trying to jump on the bandwagon to fit in with the changing zeitgeist, as opposed to him having a true love of it. But that being the case, I don't think his awkward attempts at it were anything to be ashamed about. It sure as heck isn't like any of the rappers today or yesterday could do what he excels at either.

Supernova said:

What surprises me most, especially given his studio wizardry, is how he has somewhat failed to manage any innovative beats in this arena. I definitely hear Prince's influence on many hip-hop records but unlike neo-soul, Prince seemingly fails to claim his mastery back (in terms of the beats). There's no doubt in my mind that he can, he just doesn't for some reason. The Neptunes often borrow from Prince's signature...

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Anji said:

I have a feeling that if Prince were either to program the Linn or play the kit himself on at least some of his songs he'd come up with something like that. Things like "Something In The Water", "777-9311" or even the "Tamborine" rhythm.

He's been sampled more than I thought over the years by hip hoppers, and it's funny you mention the Neptunes; every time I listen to their album In Search Of... I'm reminded of Prince's Linn Drum era. Not that I think it sounds just like anything Prince would do, it just has that Prince spirit.

Now, if they could only be more clever with the sexually themed lyrics...

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[This message was edited Wed Apr 2 9:13:30 PST 2003 by Supernova]

Supernova said:

Exactly, The Neptunes have borrowed from Prince's spirit and taken it to a new, different level. Not necessarily better, but it fits that culture (as do the lyrics unfortunately). If The Neptunes can push the musical envelope, Prince can certainly do so, but unlike his other 180 degree turns (as you put it), he's never quite realised that the hip-hop genre is much the same as his early 80's work (the beats are what counts).

I get the distinct impression that he has avoided innovating in the hip-hop arena for the 'wrong' reasons ('Undisputed' lends a clue) but am hopeful that if he does play in this field again, he will truly experiment and electrolyse the beats. He has the potential to reclaim his mastery of that funk in much the same way he reclaimed his soul with songs like Muse 2 The Pharoah (pioneering, influencing and reclaiming his light in the neo-soul movement).

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[This message was edited Wed Apr 2 9:43:33 PST 2003 by Anji]

I'm into it as much as some other people are, that they know every rap lyric, wear the clothes, and live what they rhyme about, or try to, but the music got some bouncy rhythms, and it's a whole language on it's own.
Sometimes I don't agree with everything that it says and does, but it's a part of the urban world, what the people from the inner city like to listen to. When I’m on the bus and hip-hop music is playing, and I browse the neighborhood, I can tell that the music has a direct urban feel, that defines the kind of world, what we can relate to,

but it's changing, and the things I don't like, are the young boys talking about sex this, and sex that, and how some females with the explicit lyrics who can't even sing sometimes, who just buy into stereotypes and ignorance, and how they focus too much on looks, just to name a few things from the top, but which I understand comes with what's become greatly valued that is a part of the world, that hip-hop in their own ways, show how they relate to it, whether positive or negative.

It’s true though, for fun sometimes I bug out to Trina's songs, hehe, I shake my head afterwards like oh boy! And even after I do, if I like the beat, I know it has a bottom line…

And there are some since and meaningful songs as well,

Even still, hip-hop culture is a part of me, I live in it, and grew up with it, which is why I do get into the music, but also step back to see it for what it was, what it is, what it's become, where it's going, and why, it's basically like everything else...

I like how Prince gets into hip-hop in his music…
[This message was edited Wed Apr 2 10:40:58 PST 2003 by Starmist7]

speakin' as a B*Boy & Prince enthusiast i find that P's Music is what has me havin' some Serious "Head Nod" goin' on. Tony M's best rhyme is from "My Name Is Prince" it's the Music & the Lyrics that r Workin'...

i used 2 call myself a B*Boy 4 Life & i still live the culture: the way i dress, the way i speak 2 my "Other" Friends who rn't in2 P & the other Music i listen 2 besides P... along with everything else

Supernova said:

Prince could easily come up with that type of Sound&Groove but the Problem He is facing is that alot of People Coming along now would Buy it through Someone else as to the Person Behind it.Sampling&Looping has thrown Such a Curve Ball that it's hard for Folks that have Created those Grooves to be heard.like all the Roger Troutman Stuff I still hear daily being Used but the problem was nobody was Buying it from Roger Per Se.same thing with Prince&Others it's easier to Groove off Samples&Loops than from the Original Source.sad but true.Cat can still easily make that Groove but who is gonna buy it from Him when it's manipulated into a Sample or Loop.just taken the Best elements&catchy parts of the Hook&go.

I am not open to today's hip-hop scene...most of it is disgraceful