rogifan said:

morningsong said:

Those that don't know he's black by now have their own personal issues they need to work out.

Yep. Outside of the PR movie did Prince do anything to perpetuate the myth he was bi-racial? It wasn't his job to constantly remind people he was black.

Not biracial but definately he did stuff on his journey that expressed his 'multiracialness' along with his 'blackness'
in many ways the same that he accented his femaleness.

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

morningsong said: Yep. Outside of the PR movie did Prince do anything to perpetuate the myth he was bi-racial? It wasn't his job to constantly remind people he was black.

Not biracial but definately he did stuff on his journey that expressed his 'multiracialness' along with his 'blackness'
in many ways the same that he accented his femaleness.

He said for himself he was black. If you don't want to claim it then that's your issue not his. You be multiracial, personally I don't have anything against it. It just when someone else defines themselve and then others try to correct it to fit into their own personal model then it becomes a problem. Why can't he in your mind just be black, why does there have to be a footnote of anykind?

Lets face facts .He did it to sell albums .And it worked.He conked his hair.(NOT PERMED )And he told wendy that he wanted her in the band to sell albums.Because she was B and B.Not sure how old everyone on the org is but,it was a different world in the 70's and 80's.Even though we had diverse bands KC AND THE SUNSHINE BAND,WILD CHERRY BUT.Not a lead black singer.Hell at the AMA Didnt he win black record of the year?

WHAT?

2olskool4u said:

You can't blame people for thinking he wasn't black, he used to say he had mixed race family, and he plastered so much makeup on, that made him look pale, why would the 'average joe' assume he was black man, and anyway, who really gives a fuck, he obviously didn't

If folks are ok with someone being black or white but not multiracial, multiracial must be the new black then...

CherryMoon57 said:

If folks are ok with someone being black or white but not multiracial, multiracial must be the new black then...

Nobody said they had a problem with anyone being multiracial, but post PR where did Prince say he was multiracial? Nowhere. He said Human, but not multiracial. Other people keep trying to say he's multiracial because they themselves don't want him to be black because I'm guessing being black is bad. Hell, I'm multiracial at the end of it all. But I say black to keep it short and I'm not light-skinned.

My babies r light bright silky hair.italian and black.My youngest baby prynceton has hazel eyes and looks asian.But,nope they're black.Hell 10 years ago we had to check off OTHER.bEFORE THAT IT WAS MALOTTA,HALF BREED,SO BI RACIAL JUST CAME AROUND-AROUND 10 YEARS AGO.YAW MAY OF BEEN FOOLED BUT,NO ONE BLACK WAS ABOUT PRINCE.kINKY FRO,BIG BOOTY,BEAUTIFUL BIG LIPS.

daingermouz2020 said:

Prince himself early in his career claimed to be bi racial

Alot of those early press interviews indicated that he was half-Italian.Not sure how that rumor got started,but I always knew that Prince was black.

morningsong said:

CherryMoon57 said:

If folks are ok with someone being black or white but not multiracial, multiracial must be the new black then...

Nobody said they had a problem with anyone being multiracial, but post PR where did Prince say he was multiracial? Nowhere. He said Human, but not multiracial. Other people keep trying to say he's multiracial because they themselves don't want him to be black because I'm guessing being black is bad. Hell, I'm multiracial at the end of it all. But I say black to keep it short and I'm not light-skinned.

But it might not be the case. Personnally, being of mixed origins, i am fascinated about others origins too. I often look at someone and ponder over what origins they might have, I just find it very interesting and I just thing it is good to "embrace" whatever made us what we are, whoever we are. When I look at Prince, I don't just see his black origins, but many others. I have seen a lot of "creole" people who have his features. Some of them have French origins, and I think it's cool, should be seen as an inclusion of the other origins rather than a negation of his African origins.

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People call me rude
I wish we were all nude
I wish there was no black and white
I wish there were no rules

I said life is just a game
We're all just the same
Don't ya wanna play?

--PRN

SoulAlive said:

daingermouz2020 said:

Prince himself early in his career claimed to be bi racial

Alot of those early press interviews indicated that he was half-Italian.Not sure how that rumor got started,but I always knew that Prince was black.

Prince himself even said he was bi-racial. I read that there is Italian on his Mom's side. I'm not saying that really matters at all. He loved us and we loved him.......always will. Black or White......we're all just the same.

CherryMoon57 said:

morningsong said:

Nobody said they had a problem with anyone being multiracial, but post PR where did Prince say he was multiracial? Nowhere. He said Human, but not multiracial. Other people keep trying to say he's multiracial because they themselves don't want him to be black because I'm guessing being black is bad. Hell, I'm multiracial at the end of it all. But I say black to keep it short and I'm not light-skinned.

But it might not be the case. Personnally, being of mixed origins, i am fascinated about others origins too. I often look at someone and ponder over what origins they might have, I just find it very interesting and I just thing it is good to "embrace" whatever made us what we are, whoever we are. When I look at Prince, I don't just see his black origins, but many others. I have seen a lot of "creole" people who have his features. Some of them have French origins, and I think it's cool, more of an inclusion rather than a negation of his African origins.

I do understand you. I really do, been living it all my life. But I think if people are going to move forward in acceptance than dividing people based on how they look imho needs to stop. Accepting people as they define themselves need to become normal. Black people as a whole in the Americas especially, have a history of being categorized as not black, mulatto, quadroons, octaroon, macaroons, sambo and the list is endless based on the region one is in.

morningsong said:

CherryMoon57 said:

But it might not be the case. Personnally, being of mixed origins, i am fascinated about others origins too. I often look at someone and ponder over what origins they might have, I just find it very interesting and I just thing it is good to "embrace" whatever made us what we are, whoever we are. When I look at Prince, I don't just see his black origins, but many others. I have seen a lot of "creole" people who have his features. Some of them have French origins, and I think it's cool, more of an inclusion rather than a negation of his African origins.

I do understand you. I really do, been living it all my life. But I think if people are going to move forward in acceptance than dividing people based on how they look imho needs to stop. Accepting people as they define themselves need to become normal. Black people as a whole in the Americas especially, have a history of being categorized as not black, mulatto, quadroons, octaroon, macaroons, sambo and the list is endless based on the region one is in.

I guess different people would have different views on the topic. Personnally I find the terms black or white to be inaccurate and more divisive. Nowadays hardly anyone has origins from one single place, even those who think they do. Therefore multiracial is a better term to describe most humans, and it has that inclusive connotation. I understand that others might have a different take on this though depending on their experience and what it means for them.

CherryMoon57 said:

morningsong said:

I do understand you. I really do, been living it all my life. But I think if people are going to move forward in acceptance than dividing people based on how they look imho needs to stop. Accepting people as they define themselves need to become normal. Black people as a whole in the Americas especially, have a history of being categorized as not black, mulatto, quadroons, octaroon, macaroons, sambo and the list is endless based on the region one is in.

I guess different people would have different views on the topic. Personnally I find the terms black or white to be inaccurate and more divisive. Nowadays hardly anyone has origins from one single place, even those who think they do. Therefore multiracial is a better term to describe most humans, and it has that inclusive connotation. I understand that others might have a different take on this though depending on their experience and what it means for them.

As I said I fully understand your feelings. But why does your feelings preclude someone else's if they have a reason to define themselves a certain way? That's what I'm trying to get at. Why do they need you to correct them about who they are?

morningsong said:

CherryMoon57 said:

I guess different people would have different views on the topic. Personnally I find the terms black or white to be inaccurate and more divisive. Nowadays hardly anyone has origins from one single place, even those who think they do. Therefore multiracial is a better term to describe most humans, and it has that inclusive connotation. I understand that others might have a different take on this though depending on their experience and what it means for them.

As I said I fully understand your feelings. But why does your feelings preclude someone else's if they have a reason to define themselves a certain way? That's what I'm trying to get at. Why do they need you to correct them about who they are?

That's not what I was doing though. I actually said above that people have different takes on this depending on their experience and what it means for them. So I totally accept that Prince had chosen to define himself as black. What I wanted to explain to start with was that someone saying they see someone as multiracial does not necessarily mean that they think that being black is a bad thing. Including someone's additional origins does not necessarily reject/negate/disfavor their main origin.

CherryMoon57 said:

morningsong said:

As I said I fully understand your feelings. But why does your feelings preclude someone else's if they have a reason to define themselves a certain way? That's what I'm trying to get at. Why do they need you to correct them about who they are?

That's not what I was doing though. I actually said above that people have different takes on this depending on their experience and what it means for them. So I totally accept that Prince had chosen to define himself as black. What I wanted to explain to start with was that someone saying they see someone as multiracial does not necessarily mean that they think that being black is a bad thing. Including someone's additional origins does not necessarily reject/negate/disfavor their main origin.

Seemed to miss where someone said that. As I'm said despite how I look I'm multiracial, but claiming it would be more problems than I care to ever deal with so I'm cool with black myself and it keeps the ball rolling.

EnDoRpHn said:

Hadn't seen this:

http://www.thedailybeast....yours.html

The seemingly rose-colored idealism behind statements like Prince’s regarding his multiracial band was and is often praised by critics and fans wanting to celebrate an iconic black artist who they feel “transcended race,” but blackness is not something to transcend—white supremacy is something to overcome. And Prince repeatedly and consistently flew in the face of white supremacy.

'Overcome' is an interesting word. I'm not sure I'd want it over anybody.

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This quote from someone who knew him in school is very telling:

"As youth leader for Park Avenue United Methodist Church -- where Prince had his first wedding in 1996 -- Art Erickson saw him almost every day throughout his teens. Prince came to play ball, and also went to church camp. Erickson made the rounds at local schools, so he often would join Prince at lunch. Blacks, whites and biracial kids segregated themselves, and Prince normally sat with the biracial kids, Erickson said."

A coworker once told me that she was ostracized in school by the whites and darker blacks because her skin was lighter...even though both of her parents were black.

The quiet one: A high school classmate recalls the Artist as a young man.

Prince was a light skinned Black man he told you that himself and Im pretty sure he knew....next topic

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and he was a beautiful Black man on top of that...live with it

He told you "Im the wrong color and I play guitar"

nursev said:

Prince was a light skinned Black man he told you that himself and Im pretty sure he knew....next topic

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Prince certainly knew. He told us how to treat each other over and over. Love4oneanother.

Marrk said:

nursev said:

Prince was a light skinned Black man he told you that himself and Im pretty sure he knew....next topic

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Prince certainly knew. He told us how to treat each other over and over. Love4oneanother.

I agree...every chance he got he told us that it didnt even matter and to move on and aspire for greater things. Im proud of him though for all the contributions he made to charities and all the things he did to help people silently...great human being and in the end its what mattered.

I find it interesting though that even in death people still wanna debate his race...hell his mom and his dad were Black...it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out

In the era that Prince became a recording artist it was better to be anything but Black and not to be told/or put into just R&B music because thats where you would stay and Prince knew that so he spun that Biracial thing to his advantage and it worked for him.

laytonian said:

nursev said: