Confirmation of Prince's 2010 hip surgery

Reply #31 posted 07/24/16 7:47pm

Friendlygal

laurarichardson said:

nursev said:

laurarichardson said:

ldmendes said:

Okay I have another question..all the interviews I have seen with Princes close friends, all say he lived a clean life and he was in good health. Has anyone heard anyone say he was struggling with chronic pain or he was taking pain medication? It makes me wonder if anyone really knew him at all.

Tavis Smiley, Sheila E, Billy Sparks and a few others. What we are not hearing is a person with a long history of recreational drug use how does someone go from that to just being a pill head for grins.

U know the trolls are coming for you just because U said pill head.

--- They can come for me we know how the mainstream media would love to paint the picture of a pill head rockstar however, 3 months later and where are the recreational drug stories ? I firmly believe his problems were recent and due to real pain. No one thinks a diabetic is a drug addict for taking insulin.

As a parent of a diabetic child, I have to say this is not a similar situation at all. I have taken pain meds for chronic pain but could survive without them. My daughter will die without insulin.

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Reply #32 posted 07/24/16 7:50pm

rogifan

tollyc said:

ldmendes said:

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

ldmendes said: --- Billy Sparks said it was hip surgery not replacement. The recovery time is long for replacement. Prince was not out of action long enough for that procedure. If you look it up their are a lot of procedures you can do as an alternative. Look up the alternative procedures he could have numerous other procedures that have less of a recovery time. Unfortunately, none of procedures are ganranteed to work.

Very important distinction.

Okay I have another question..all the interviews I have seen with Princes close friends, all say he lived a clean life and he was in good health. Has anyone heard anyone say he was struggling with chronic pain or he was taking pain medication? It makes me wonder if anyone really knew him at all.

People in the know, know what happened.
It's not a coincidence that Chaka is now in rehab for the same substance abuse.
He has had a dependency for years.

So another person who doesn't know squat talking as though they're an authority. rolleyes

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Reply #33 posted 07/24/16 8:10pm

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Friendlygal said:

laurarichardson said:

As a parent of a diabetic child, I have to say this is not a similar situation at all. I have taken pain meds for chronic pain but could survive without them. My daughter will die without insulin.

-/ But no one calls your drug addict is this not true. You pain is your pain you have no idea what someone else is going thru.

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Reply #34 posted 07/24/16 8:12pm

laurarichardso n	3rdeyedude said: This article confirms nothing by the way. The reporter was probably just guessing. --- The reporter was introduced to Prince by Tavis Smiley. Could it be that is was discussed prior to the meeting. Or do you think this reporter had a crystal ball.
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Reply #35 posted 07/24/16 8:52pm

gandorb

I get the whole debate of whether or not he was a drug addict, especially given his history of seeming to reject the drug lifestyle. The thing that is so insidious about pain medication is that it also quickly becomes physically annd PSYCHOLOGICALLY addicting to so many people who would normally avoid drug abuse. It is very slippery slope that can happen quite rapidly. He could have very well been addicted towards the end of his life yet not look like the stereotype of an addict yet. This also certainly doesn't mean he has been insincere for all these years about his anti-drug values.

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Reply #36 posted 07/24/16 9:01pm

morningsong	I'm offically in the he had the surgery group. Now how it went after that I have no clue.
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Reply #37 posted 07/24/16 10:09pm

sonshine

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gandorb said:

I get it too. I just don't get why his fans would be butt hurt over it. Who cares if it was short-term or long term? What difference does it mske? Why is it such a terrible thing if it's been a problem for awhile? I just don't get that. I don't understand why that matters or what time frame is acceptable to some fans. Days, weeks, months, years who cares? It doesn't matter, nor should it matter. Fentanyl isn't a first line medication for pain mgmt. It's a medication that is used with patients who have developed an opioid tolerance. Again I'm not sure why it makes any difference how long he was managing his pain with medications.

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Reply #38 posted 07/24/16 10:29pm

sonshine said:

gandorb said:

Because he was our messiah and he could do no wrong.

I'm being a bit sarcastic and I'm being a bit serious.

His long term attitude about drugs does create an issue none of us wants to deal with, I don't but eventually we'll have to. People are being very polite right now and I hope they continue to be for a little while longer. From what I understand, noone was allowed anything while at PP, because of his views. The reason why my voice is so clear because there's no smack in my brain. And recently--We don't need no clouds? I had assumed he was talking about marijuana use. Didn't you? And now we see he could have had an dependency/addiction problem of hs own. Possibly for years. And gawd forbid he was getting it through illegal means. Yeah there's a 700lb gorilla in the room we as fans have to work around. If he'd of remained silent about such things it would be less of a shock. But he didn't, so there it is.

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Reply #39 posted 07/24/16 10:48pm

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morningsong said:

sonshine said:

I hear what you're saying. Even if he was using narcotics for an period of time wouldn't matter since he was using them for medical reasons not for fun. It seems simple to me and not at all contradictory. He can't help it he'd been in pain for years and using narcotics all this time. He wasn't using it to party up so I don't see the problem other people do I guess. I'm glad i'm not wrestling with any conflict over how long he was being treated for painful conditions. It just makes me feel even more empathy for what he was dealing with and going thru.

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Reply #40 posted 07/24/16 11:01pm

sonshine said:

morningsong said:

If it ends there then the gorilla becomes a little 10lb monkey, annoying but quite manageable but unfortunately we are not there yet. There still the problem on how his meds were obtained it's the tipping point of dealing with a viable medical problem that just became overwelming or an out of control dependency problem that got ignored and wasn't handled properly for too long.

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Reply #41 posted 07/25/16 8:03am

morningsong said:

sonshine said:

Has anyone ever seen footage or read a credible interview where Prince mentions or admonishes drug use (excluding his music)? I personally haven't---only read and listened to other people's accounts of his lifestyle. That being said---I just hope some people don't regard him as hypocrite based off of the words of third parties. That's not really fair.

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Reply #42 posted 07/25/16 8:15am

laytonian

3rdeyedude said:

This article confirms nothing by the way. The reporter was probably just guessing.

troll

Excuse me?

1 - The journalist was invited to PP for a purpose.

2 - This isn't a tabloid. It's the Washington Post.

3 - This is how ALL Prince interviews went. P is never recorded so is not quoted verbatim.

4 - It's obvious that either P or someone connected mentioned that there had been surgery.

5 - When P wanted certain information disseminated, he talked to real journalists.

6 - So the scar on P's hip was from ..... what?

Give the man some respect. He knew what he was doing when he gave our certain information. There may have been a lengthier off-the-record explanation which a real journalist would never divulge.

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Reply #43 posted 07/25/16 8:16am

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jumanji2016 said:

morningsong said:

He almost fired Wendy for smoking a joint. Too many have said it and like I said estates cannot sue so why lie.

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Reply #44 posted 07/25/16 8:26am

laurarichardson said:

jumanji2016 said:

He almost fired Wendy for smoking a joint. Too many have said it and like I said estates cannot sue so why lie.

I don't think anyone is lying at all. My point is that people acted like he loathed drugs just to be a hard ass and grandiose, but I think he disliked them merely because they could severly hinder the productivity of both himself and those that worked for him. It wasn't like he was ranting and raving about, casting judgment, or perceiving all that did drugs as scum every time he opened his mouth...he was just like "Drugs will fuck up our project. Don't do them here." Some of the musicians that he loved most had well-known hard drug habits.

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Reply #45 posted 07/25/16 9:23am

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jumanji2016 said:

laurarichardson said:

He almost fired Wendy for smoking a joint. Too many have said it and like I said estates cannot sue so why lie.

-- No one said he ranted and rave about it. It appears to have been a policy. He was not judge mental because he put people in rehab including his own sister. One of the reasons a lot us believe he had pain issues or other health because he obvisously did not want drugs effecting his work. Andre Cymone said Prince was saying when they were teenagers 'let's not screw up like Sly."
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Reply #46 posted 07/25/16 9:23am

rogifan

jumanji2016 said:

laurarichardson said:

He almost fired Wendy for smoking a joint. Too many have said it and like I said estates cannot sue so why lie.

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Reply #47 posted 07/25/16 9:32am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

jumanji2016 said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how he could have a long term dependency on strong painkillers and it seemingly not impact his work or performances at all. You never hear anyone say he looked out of it on stage or see an interview where he looks or sounds like he's under the influence of something. Unless these painkillers don't mess with your mind the same way other drugs like heroin or cocaine or even pot do? I wouldn't know as I've thankfully never had to use them.

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Reply #48 posted 07/25/16 10:08am

gandorb

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

I get your point. I would add that pai, med abuse can be easier to disguise than many drugs unless someone is taking them by the boatload, especially if someone has a real pain issue. They build such a tolerance to it that even taking more than prescribed May not Be noticeable to others.

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Reply #49 posted 07/25/16 10:27am

jumanji2016 said:

laurarichardson said:

He almost fired Wendy for smoking a joint. Too many have said it and like I said estates cannot sue so why lie.

We don't need no clouds... is saying what to you? To me it's saying someone has an issue with drug use, and doesn't use them.

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Reply #50 posted 07/25/16 10:28am

laurarichardson said:

jumanji2016 said:

-- No one said he ranted and rave about it.It appears to have been a policy. He was not judge mental because he put people in rehab including his own sister. One of the reasons a lot us believe he had pain issues or other health because he obvisously did not want drugs effecting his work. Andre Cymone said Prince was saying when they were teenagers 'let's not screw up like Sly."
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I know that no one said that---that's why I asked if anyone knew of any articles where he did. I'm fairly sure that no such items even exist, but that would make the harsh criticism of his'hypocrisy' more unstandable to me. Not speaking to anyone specifically. I've seen commentary of that nature in numerous posts within the Org and on social media. I feel like Prince is being incorrectly perceived as Gene Simmons has been---one that speaks recklessly and villifies people with drug addictions.

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Reply #51 posted 07/25/16 10:42am

BlackandRising

laytonian said:

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Another news story that most here missed? It doesn't say WHAT surgery, but couple this with the scar on his hip, it's time to drop the "he didn't have surgery" thing.

Quote:

"Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag."

Source: Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpos...ons-death/

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[Edited 7/24/16 12:13pm]

How is this confirmation? True confirmation would be the inclusion of this in the ME report, or the release of his medical records in this regard, which isn't going to happen, at least officially.

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Reply #52 posted 07/25/16 10:44am

I'm not saying it was recreational. I am just trying to deal with the 700lb gorilla standing in the room. You don't go through withdrawals unless you have a addition/dependency issue. You don't go through withdrawals for months on end without relapsing by taking the drug again, then stopping, then taking it again in an ongoing cycle. You don't start with the strongest thing on the market unless you've built up a resistance to the weaker stuff over time. And yes there was some kind of behavioral impact, unfortunately, we as fans didn't notice.

I'm personally hoping this becomes a 10lb monkey very soon, but with what we know to date, it isn't so we might as well get geared up to deal with it.

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Reply #53 posted 07/25/16 10:49am

morningsong said:

jumanji2016 said:

We don't need no clouds... is saying what to you? To me it's saying someone has an issue with drug use, and doesn't use them.

You may very well be correct, but honestly, Prince used so many various literary concepts in his lyrics---that I rarely assumed much of his music to be autographical---I kind of treated his songs as collections of limericks. Songwriting is very much an art form, and musicians seem to be the only artists whose work doesn't receive an allowance to be fictional or observational. The guy wrote about Starfish & Coffee for goodness sake lol. But like I said, you may be correct---but his music, unless they were love songs--never really put a red flag in my head about anything in particular. But I will say with Clouds being a love song, I just treated it as a metaphor...with their love being enough to keep them high, they don't need anything else. The part where Lianne La Havas is speaking mentions that he was given medication...so him implying that he doesn't like drug use and then consuming a drug in the next stanza of the song is a bit of a paradox, so I don't think that's what he meant lol.

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Reply #54 posted 07/25/16 11:30am

jumanji2016 said:

morningsong said:

We don't need no clouds... is saying what to you? To me it's saying someone has an issue with drug use, and doesn't use them.

That's a good insight and I can see your point of view.

I've believe he didn't like drug use and it must have impacted him greatly to get caught in a snare he disciplined himself to keep away from. I'm sure he made the distinction between medicine and illicit drug use, we all keep making it. But does it matter? After it's all been said and done, it killed him just the same. My belief...he needed to let go of something...what in particular...I don't know, but he keep taking meds to excess to do whatever it was, got trapped and died. There's a saying about how do you trap a monkey, the punchline is it doesn't know when to let it go. That bothers me. I'll keep saying it. I really hope this gets smaller than it looks like.

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Reply #55 posted 07/25/16 8:04pm

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laytonian said:

3rdeyedude said:

This article confirms nothing by the way. The reporter was probably just guessing.

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Excuse me?

1 - The journalist was invited to PP for a purpose.

2 - This isn't a tabloid. It's the Washington Post.

3 - This is how ALL Prince interviews went. P is never recorded so is not quoted verbatim.

4 - It's obvious that either P or someone connected mentioned that there had been surgery.

5 - When P wanted certain information disseminated, he talked to real journalists.

6 - So the scar on P's hip was from ..... what?

Give the man some respect. He knew what he was doing when he gave our certain information. There may have been a lengthier off-the-record explanation which a real journalist would never divulge.

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I'm not doubting the surgery. But if you read the article, it is not easy to tell whether or not the reporter is giving his opinion on the matter. It would be great to actually know the truth, but I guess we never will.

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Reply #56 posted 07/25/16 8:27pm

babynoz

jumanji2016 said:
morningsong said:
We don't need no clouds... is saying what to you? To me it's saying someone has an issue with drug use, and doesn't use them.
You may very well be correct, but honestly, Prince used so many various literary concepts in his lyrics---that I rarely assumed much of his music to be autographical---I kind of treated his songs as collections of limericks. Songwriting is very much an art form, and musicians seem to be the only artists whose work doesn't receive an allowance to be fictional or observational. The guy wrote about Starfish & Coffee for goodness sake lol. But like I said, you may be correct---but his music, unless they were love songs--never really put a red flag in my head about anything in particular. But I will say with Clouds being a love song, I just treated it as a metaphor...with their love being enough to keep them high, they don't need anything else. The part where Lianne La Havas is speaking mentions that he was given medication...so him implying that he doesn't like drug use and then consuming a drug in the next stanza of the song is a bit of a paradox, so I don't think that's what he meant lol.

If you read the rest of the lyrics it seems to refer to cloud computing/storage. In other words, the artificial age.

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Reply #57 posted 07/25/16 8:28pm

babynoz	rogifan said: tollyc said: People in the know, know what happened. It's not a coincidence that Chaka is now in rehab for the same substance abuse. He has had a dependency for years. So another person who doesn't know squat talking as though they're an authority. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #58 posted 07/25/16 8:35pm

tollyc said:

ldmendes said:

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

ldmendes said: --- Billy Sparks said it was hip surgery not replacement. The recovery time is long for replacement. Prince was not out of action long enough for that procedure. If you look it up their are a lot of procedures you can do as an alternative. Look up the alternative procedures he could have numerous other procedures that have less of a recovery time. Unfortunately, none of procedures are ganranteed to work.

Very important distinction.

People in the know, know what happened.
It's not a coincidence that Chaka is now in rehab for the same substance abuse.
He has had a dependency for years.

??? Chaka has admitted to cocaine abuse issues that may date back to the 70s. Also, she is a 63-year-old woman that still tours very heavily---international jazz festivals, cruises, etc. The only parallel is that she and Prince were running their bodies into the ground trying to put on performances for people that talk out of the sides of their necks.

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Reply #59 posted 07/25/16 8:36pm

babynoz

laytonian said:

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Another news story that most here missed? It doesn't say WHAT surgery, but couple this with the scar on his hip, it's time to drop the "he didn't have surgery" thing.

Quote:

"Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag."

Source: Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpos...ons-death/

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[Edited 7/24/16 12:13pm]

Are people still denying that P had a hip procedure?

I thought it was only the ones who are still trying to blame JW's and Larry for his passing by falsely claiming that they stopped him from doing it.

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