I'm saying absolutley yes...I totally agree with his "brand" of feminism....discuss amongst yourselves....

No

luv4u said:

No

said it was. I'd agree. The whole story in the song is about a woman taking control of her life, and making bank without a man.

TrivialPursuit said:

luv4u said:

No

said it was. I'd agree. The whole story in the song is about a woman taking control of her life, and making bank without a man.

Not only that...a woman taking control of her own sexuality...it is such a serious thing...since I have become a mother my perspective has changed immensley...I now know the true power of a woman after going through the birth experience (something I never truely understood as a girl before) a woman's sexuality is a beautiful, powerful thing....Prince totally understood that....

that was the idea but with the puritanism in this country, some people aren't going to like the word pussy. I love the word.

PeteSilas said:

that was the idea but with the puritanism in this country, some people aren't going to like the word pussy. I love the word.

Better than the word vagina which is latin for the word sheath... a sword.

HeavenMustBNear said:

Krystal! Welcome back. I remember seeing you around here years ago.

Knowing Prince, he was probably wrote the song while making fun of Mayte who perhaps asked him if she could go out of the house by herself to hang out with some friends or something a 'liberated' woman would do.

Gohi said:

Krystal! Welcome back. I remember seeing you around here years ago.

3rdeyedude said:

Knowing Prince, he was probably wrote the song while making fun of Mayte who perhaps asked him if she could go out of the house by herself to hang out with some friends or something a 'liberated' woman would do.

That is 1 weird comment. And yes I agree, it is a feminist anthem of sorts.

i mean...for a song to have been an anthem...it would've had to be an anthem...right??? Put another way - I don't know the song was ever really embraced by anyone other then Prince fans, and people who liked to hear the word pussy. I don't remember hearing it much. Certainly not enough to be an anthem.

in his own strange / unique way!

I also feel 1000 Hugs and Kisses is a companion piece to P control, expanding on the theme by rounding out the woman's humanity - because at some point after a long day of kicking ass she deserves to come home to someone who is truly there for her.

And the moral of this motherfucker is
Ladies, make 'em act like they know
You are, was and always will be pussy control
(Are u ready?)
Peace and be wild
(Ah, pussy control)

dreamshaman32 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

3rdeyedude said:

Knowing Prince, he was probably wrote the song while making fun of Mayte who perhaps asked him if she could go out of the house by herself to hang out with some friends or something a 'liberated' woman would do.

Am I the only one that finds that funny? Not meaning to dis Mayte and P's relationship which seemed sweet and I wish it had survived all the trauma that they went through - but he did seem a tad controlling (although it didn't seem confined to women).

.

And then he chose the JW religion and the idea of a feminist anthem from P becomes laughable (and I am not even going to mention the earlier rape songs):

"JEHOVAH GOD created Adam first, then Eve. Before Eve’s creation, Adam gained experience in living. During this time, Jehovah gave him certain instructions. (Genesis 2:15-20) Serving as God’s spokesman, Adam was to transmit these to his wife. Logically, then, he would take the lead in all matters involving worship.

A corresponding arrangement exists in the Christian congregation, and we can benefit from an examination of it. The apostle Paul wrote: “I do not permit a woman . . . to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” (1 Timothy 2:12, 13)"

Paul stated: “I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man;

.

And lastly, the language is unpleasant (I know, it's P in the 90's but I don't swear and the people around me don't swear so it grates in a way that his early stuff never did - I mean when he uses MF in Sister it seems at least appropriate to the song not just a bit of random potty mouth).

I always thought the song Fixurlifeup was a "feminist" anthem all because of this line..

"Girl with a guitar is twelve times better than another crazy band of boys
Trying to be a star
When you're just another brick in a misogynistic wall of noise..."

sunset3121 said:

Blakbear said:

sunset3121 said:

Am I the only one that finds that funny? Not meaning to dis Mayte and P's relationship which seemed sweet and I wish it had survived all the trauma that they went through - but he did seem a tad controlling (although it didn't seem confined to women).

.

And then he chose the JW religion and the idea of a feminist anthem from P becomes laughable (and I am not even going to mention the earlier rape songs):

"JEHOVAH GOD created Adam first, then Eve. Before Eve’s creation, Adam gained experience in living. During this time, Jehovah gave him certain instructions. (Genesis 2:15-20) Serving as God’s spokesman, Adam was to transmit these to his wife. Logically, then, he would take the lead in all matters involving worship.

A corresponding arrangement exists in the Christian congregation, and we can benefit from an examination of it. The apostle Paul wrote: “I do not permit a woman . . . to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” (1 Timothy 2:12, 13)"

Paul stated: “I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man;

.

And lastly, the language is unpleasant (I know, it's P in the 90's but I don't swear and the people around me don't swear so it grates in a way that his early stuff never did - I mean when he uses MF in Sister it seems at least appropriate to the song not just a bit of random potty mouth).

Every religion I ever studied has that to some degree, though, the man being the leader of the woman. Bahais may be the exception to this. The song itself is kind of a feminist anyhem tho up til the last verse which is kinda not. I somehow still like it tho.

True, but the church I knew was distancing itself from this sort of thing, not emphasising it. There is a clear reason why i couldn't cope with religion - I don't do well with leaders.

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I don't know P but I think he was probably more feminist than the average 70's male. I am used to men that are more wholeheartedly feminist (in our youth we were all vegan, Ethical Consumer was our bible and we all enjoyed fighting 'causes' (for many of the women that included feminist causes) - they are all truly beautiful people and a lot of them are still working for or running charities). Delivering the underwear for Gayle was not one of P's feminist moments for example.

"dumped this bag of metallic, multi-coloured underwear ... 'Prince said wear this or you're fired',” recalled Gayle Chapman"

I wouldn't say so. I just think it's about a woman that is independent and knows what she wants and she doesn't need to rely on anyone (man or woman) to get what she wants. She's been through tough times. I don't think it really renders it a 'feminist' anthem though. In this day and age anyway.

I'm pretty against modern feminism anyway though.

feminists are wierd, I try to stay the hell away from them. I remember in college stating that women had true power just by being women and how I had seen strong men busted into little pieces by women. Of course the feminists, just being silly and reactionary just huffed and puffed and grumbled. If i hear one more woman call themselves a feminist I'm gonna pull out my weenie on them like prince did and run them off.

luv4u said:

No

lol this was one of the more straightforward songs that Prince ever wrote. There's nu ambiguity here about this song being all about female empowerment

PeteSilas said:

feminists are wierd, I try to stay the hell away from them. I remember in college stating that women had true power just by being women and how I had seen strong men busted into little pieces by women. Of course the feminists, just being silly and reactionary just huffed and puffed and grumbled. If i hear one more woman call themselves a feminist I'm gonna pull out my weenie on them like prince did and run them off.

Erm, are aware of the fact that Prince was a (sort of a) feminist? He believed in women's rights (his songs reflect that) and he would call out mansplaining dudes.

FullLipsDotNose said:

PeteSilas said:

feminists are wierd, I try to stay the hell away from them. I remember in college stating that women had true power just by being women and how I had seen strong men busted into little pieces by women. Of course the feminists, just being silly and reactionary just huffed and puffed and grumbled. If i hear one more woman call themselves a feminist I'm gonna pull out my weenie on them like prince did and run them off.

Erm, are aware of the fact that Prince was a (sort of a) feminist? He believed in women's rights (his songs reflect that) and he would call out mansplaining dudes.

i just read a story of how he whipped out his willie and ran off a woman after he macked her down.

sunset3121 said:

Blakbear said:

sunset3121 said: Every religion I ever studied has that to some degree, though, the man being the leader of the woman. Bahais may be the exception to this. The song itself is kind of a feminist anyhem tho up til the last verse which is kinda not. I somehow still like it tho.

True, but the church I knew was distancing itself from this sort of thing, not emphasising it. There is a clear reason why i couldn't cope with religion - I don't do well with leaders.

.

I don't know P but I think he was probably more feminist than the average 70's male. I am used to men that are more wholeheartedly feminist (in our youth we were all vegan, Ethical Consumer was our bible and we all enjoyed fighting 'causes' (for many of the women that included feminist causes) - they are all truly beautiful people and a lot of them are still working for or running charities). Delivering the underwear for Gayle was not one of P's feminist moments for example.

"dumped this bag of metallic, multi-coloured underwear ... 'Prince said wear this or you're fired',” recalled Gayle Chapman"

Yeah, I see your point. Also, bro had no notion of how o buy women's underwear, either -- I think she mentioned everything was the wrong size, and she had to go buy everything in the proper size.

Prince seemed to be a little bit... confused on how to actually deal with women. I think he needed a little more training with Andre's mom.

Rule 1: Don't buy a woman's undergarments unless you actually know what freaking size she is.

Rule 2: Stop being a jerknerd.

Rule 3: No really, stop it.

sunset3121 said:

3rdeyedude said:

Knowing Prince, he was probably wrote the song while making fun of Mayte who perhaps asked him if she could go out of the house by herself to hang out with some friends or something a 'liberated' woman would do.

Am I the only one that finds that funny? Not meaning to dis Mayte and P's relationship which seemed sweet and I wish it had survived all the trauma that they went through - but he did seem a tad controlling (although it didn't seem confined to women).

.

And then he chose the JW religion and the idea of a feminist anthem from P becomes laughable (and I am not even going to mention the earlier rape songs):

"JEHOVAH GOD created Adam first, then Eve. Before Eve’s creation, Adam gained experience in living. During this time, Jehovah gave him certain instructions. (Genesis 2:15-20) Serving as God’s spokesman, Adam was to transmit these to his wife. Logically, then, he would take the lead in all matters involving worship.

A corresponding arrangement exists in the Christian congregation, and we can benefit from an examination of it. The apostle Paul wrote: “I do not permit a woman . . . to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” (1 Timothy 2:12, 13)"

Paul stated: “I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man;

.

And lastly, the language is unpleasant (I know, it's P in the 90's but I don't swear and the people around me don't swear so it grates in a way that his early stuff never did - I mean when he uses MF in Sister it seems at least appropriate to the song not just a bit of random potty mouth).

Thanks. I was sort of going for a laugh, but considering it was Prince, it might be true. I mean after all, this is what Nona Gaye said about him.... "

"I never really knew him, and I never let him really know me. I tried to be this woman I thought he wanted - very passive, letting him lead. He told a friend of mine he was going to marry me and take care of me. I knew I wouldn't get anything better than that from him, so I believed it."

"After that we were in New York, and he asked me to come see his show. Mayte, one of his dancers, flashed the engagement ring he'd given her from the stage. When I asked him about it afterwards, he was very evasive and defensive. I haven't spoken to him since. It upsets me that we ended things that way, because at one point he was really, really important to me."