RachB65 said:

disch said:

So much misunderstanding here about drug dependency and addiction. Someone with a dependency isn't necessarily running around "raving" -- there are thousands of people with dependency issues who have jobs, families etc., and look basically "normal" to outsiders. And once someone is dependent/addicted, words like using drugs for "recreation" vs "pain relief" don't apply anymore. At that point, a person HAS to continue taking the drug to avoid withdrawal, which can be uncomfortable at best and deadly at worst. Addiction and dependency are physiological reactions to the drug and have nothing to do with morality or whether there was a "good reason" someone starting taking the drug in the first place.

The misunderstanding about this issue adds to feelings of judgment and shame -- and may make people who are suffering from addiction less likely to admit they have a problem and seek help. Kind of like what someone we "know" might have felt.

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And once someone is dependent/addicted, words like using drugs for "recreation" vs "pain relief" don't apply anymore.

I disagree and that mindsat might have been the reason Prince delayed getting help. It is not the person fault if they get hooked on pain pills due to pain managment. I think most people know that recreation drug use is just that a choice. We know that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawrals so he was getting help it does not appear it was going well and should have been in a hospital. You should also realize t hat the withdrawals are not uncomfortable that are horrendous and as I have said I doubt Prince was hooked on these things for long because people have died just going thru the withdrawals and he touring and traveling.

laytonian said:

rogifan said:

laytonian said: So Prince has been popping pain pills since 2009 (at least) and somehow he lasted 7 years. world tours, new albums etc. Wow he really is the GOAT then. Btw, Roger Friedman is a gossip journalist who used to (or maybe stil does) work for Fox News. I wouldn't trust him with much of anything.

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I don't like Fox News any more than you do, but Friedman is well-regarded.

A well reguarded gossip columnist what a fucking joke.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

RachB65 said: Very easily could have played out like that. Strange the people who say they didn't know vs, the people who say they knew he was taking pain pills.

I have not heard one person who knew him say he was on pain pills. The only people saying this are people who remain anonomus. Just about everyone that worked with him has said they did not know about any drugs and a few have mentioned hip problems.

Travis Smiley said he knew. Obviously, this Friedman guy knew, which means many others knew. Threads on the org have been made in the past about odd incidences and then later played down, so again others knew they just ignored it.

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

I have not heard one person who knew him say he was on pain pills. The only people saying this are people who remain anonomus. Just about everyone that worked with him has said they did not know about any drugs and a few have mentioned hip problems.

Travis Smiley said he knew. Obviously, this Friedman guy knew, which means many others knew. Threads on the org have been made in the past about odd incidences and then later played down, so again others knew they just ignored it.

And Tavis made it real clear that he was taking them due to pain not for recreational use. You could see from the look on his face when he was speaking to Sway that it pissed him off that people think P was some drugged out rocker. He went on to talk about Prince being a vegen and living a clean life.

The thing that gets me is that no one has stopped to think how Prince might have felt having to take these things in the first place. It probaly went against his core beliefts and look what happened in the end.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

Travis Smiley said he knew. Obviously, this Friedman guy knew, which means many others knew. Threads on the org have been made in the past about odd incidences and then later played down, so again others knew they just ignored it.

And Tavis made it real clear that he was taking them due to pain not for recreational use. You could see from the look on his face when he was speaking to Sway that it pissed him off that people think P was some drugged out rocker. He went on to talk about Prince being a vegen and living a clean life.

The thing that gets me is that no one has stopped to think how Prince might have felt having to take these things in the first place. It probaly went against his core beliefts and look what happened in the end.

*Looking for where I said anything about Prince using them from recreational use* Anyway, you just said you didn't know one person who knew Prince was taking pain medication. Seems that wasn't quite true. I really don't know how to respond to that.

"no one" has stop to think? Seriously? You are the only person capable of understanding? I think you're going a bit over the top. I think more people get the reality of it far greater than you think they do.

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

And Tavis made it real clear that he was taking them due to pain not for recreational use. You could see from the look on his face when he was speaking to Sway that it pissed him off that people think P was some drugged out rocker. He went on to talk about Prince being a vegen and living a clean life.

The thing that gets me is that no one has stopped to think how Prince might have felt having to take these things in the first place. It probaly went against his core beliefts and look what happened in the end.

*Looking for where I said anything about Prince using them from recreational use* Anyway, you just said you didn't know one person who knew Prince was taking pain medication. Seems that wasn't quite true. I really don't know how to respond to that.

"no one" has stop to think? Seriously? You are the only person capable of understanding? I think you're going a bit over the top. I think more people get the reality of it far greater than you think they do.

Did I said you said anything about recreational drug use? Many people on this topic have implied that he was a recreational drug user and the media is definitely going in that direction. I actually forgot about Tavis as he is literally the only one in Prince's circle who said he needed those pills for pain the others said they knew nothing about it and never saw him high.

Very surprised that I have to explain to you that by "no one" I mean I have not seen any discussion about Prince using pain pills vs his clean living beliefs on this board. I do not mean I am the only one capable of understanding the situation WTF did that even come from?

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

*Looking for where I said anything about Prince using them from recreational use* Anyway, you just said you didn't know one person who knew Prince was taking pain medication. Seems that wasn't quite true. I really don't know how to respond to that.

"no one" has stop to think? Seriously? You are the only person capable of understanding? I think you're going a bit over the top. I think more people get the reality of it far greater than you think they do.

Did I said you said anything about recreational drug use? Many people on this topic have implied that he was a recreational drug user and the media is definitely going in that direction. I actually forgot about Tavis as he is literally the only one in Prince's circle who said he needed those pills for pain the others said they knew nothing about it and never saw him high.

Very surprised that I have to explain to you that by "no one" I mean I have not seen any discussion about Prince using pain pills vs his clean living beliefs on this board. I do not mean I am the only one capable of understanding the situation WTF did that even come from?

I'm not getting the impression from most people on this board that they believe he was using this medication as recreational, there may be some but not most, but that's my impression of course. But, so we're not ignoring the elephant in the room, there does pose a question, where did the medicating end, and the dependency begin, and that's a very uncomfortable thin line, but a real one on a lot of our minds.

The minute I heard Travis say that, I knew others had to know, obviously not everyone close to him, but others. I've even seen it posted around here that Wendy kind of knew, then there was Mani's 2011 comment, so I'm guessing rumors were circulating. And it seems it was a subject he'd brush up against every once in a while. Top it off with the fact that a columnist, gossip or not, brought it up years ago, says tons about what people really knew. The stigma of this isn't something anyone wanted pinned on Prince because of all the other things he was, and that's what has brought us all to this point. Personally, I'm so frustrated with the whitewashing of it I want to explode. Because maybe, just maybe if it was looked at in a real way, then somebody, one person, wouldn't have ignored it and been able to get through to him that this was something that needed his full 24/7 attention, it was far bigger and meaner than he was. Just my perspective.

Seems a bit irrational to get mad at orgers, we had such miniscle information on what was what. Heck there have been arguments for years on whether he was a vegan, or vegetarian. And I remember a thread many years back about him eating pasta with cheese or some kind of dairy product, and people would nearly beat you down if anything was said that didn't show him to be a vegan so that got swept under the rug like a whole lot of other things. Exaggerations have gotten us nowhere.

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

Did I said you said anything about recreational drug use? Many people on this topic have implied that he was a recreational drug user and the media is definitely going in that direction. I actually forgot about Tavis as he is literally the only one in Prince's circle who said he needed those pills for pain the others said they knew nothing about it and never saw him high.

Very surprised that I have to explain to you that by "no one" I mean I have not seen any discussion about Prince using pain pills vs his clean living beliefs on this board. I do not mean I am the only one capable of understanding the situation WTF did that even come from?

I'm not getting the impression from most people on this board that they believe he was using this medication as recreational, there may be some but not most, but that's my impression of course. But, so we're not ignoring the elephant in the room, there does pose a question, where did the medicating end, and the dependency begin, and that's a very uncomfortable thin line, but a real one on a lot of our minds.

The minute I heard Travis say that, I knew others had to know, obviously not everyone close to him, but others. I've even seen it posted around here that Wendy kind of knew, then there was Mani's 2011 comment, so I'm guessing rumors were circulating. And it seems it was a subject he'd brush up against every once in a while. Top it off with the fact that a columnist, gossip or not, brought it up years ago, says tons about what people really knew. The stigma of this isn't something anyone wanted pinned on Prince because of all the other things he was, and that's what has brought us all to this point. Personally, I'm so frustrated with the whitewashing of it I want to explode. Because maybe, just maybe if it was looked at in a real way, then somebody, one person, wouldn't have ignored it and been able to get through to him that this was something that needed his full 24/7 attention, it was far bigger and meaner than he was. Just my perspective.

Seems a bit irrational to get mad at orgers, we had such miniscle information on what was what. Heck there have been arguments for years on whether he was a vegan, or vegetarian. And I remember a thread many years back about him eating pasta with cheese or some kind of dairy product, and people would nearly beat you down if anything was said that didn't show him to be a vegan so that got swept under the rug like a whole lot of other things. Exaggerations have gotten us nowhere.

" Where did the medicating end, and the dependency begin, and that's a very uncomfortable thin line."

If someone is in pain who cares. The truth of the matter is that if he got off of the pain pills he may have still had pain. What would he have done about the pain?

"'ve even seen it posted around here that Wendy kind of knew, then there was Mani's 2011 comment, so I'm guessing rumors were circulating."

Been on this board for years and I never saw anyone or any article where Wendy said Prince was on pain pills or any drugs and the gossip columnist said he had the surgery 10 years ago other who work for him say he had in 2010. Gossip rags make up stuff all the time so I do not understand why anyone takes them seriously.

I am not mad at anyone and it obvious that anyone that does not agree with your views is seen as " irrational" or some kind of" know it all" that is a lot to get out of written words but you believe gossip rags so what does that say.

BillieBalloon said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I'm not getting the impression from most people on this board that they believe he was using this medication as recreational, there may be some but not most, but that's my impression of course. But, so we're not ignoring the elephant in the room, there does pose a question, where did the medicating end, and the dependency begin, and that's a very uncomfortable thin line, but a real one on a lot of our minds.

The minute I heard Travis say that, I knew others had to know, obviously not everyone close to him, but others. I've even seen it posted around here that Wendy kind of knew, then there was Mani's 2011 comment, so I'm guessing rumors were circulating. And it seems it was a subject he'd brush up against every once in a while. Top it off with the fact that a columnist, gossip or not, brought it up years ago, says tons about what people really knew. The stigma of this isn't something anyone wanted pinned on Prince because of all the other things he was, and that's what has brought us all to this point. Personally, I'm so frustrated with the whitewashing of it I want to explode. Because maybe, just maybe if it was looked at in a real way, then somebody, one person, wouldn't have ignored it and been able to get through to him that this was something that needed his full 24/7 attention, it was far bigger and meaner than he was. Just my perspective.

Seems a bit irrational to get mad at orgers, we had such miniscle information on what was what. Heck there have been arguments for years on whether he was a vegan, or vegetarian. And I remember a thread many years back about him eating pasta with cheese or some kind of dairy product, and people would nearly beat you down if anything was said that didn't show him to be a vegan so that got swept under the rug like a whole lot of other things. Exaggerations have gotten us nowhere.

" Where did the medicating end, and the dependency begin, and that's a very uncomfortable thin line."

If someone is in pain who cares. The truth of the matter is that if he got off of the pain pills he may have still had pain. What would he have done about the pain?

"'ve even seen it posted around here that Wendy kind of knew, then there was Mani's 2011 comment, so I'm guessing rumors were circulating."

Been on this board for years and I never saw anyone or any article where Wendy said Prince was on pain pills or any drugs and the gossip columnist said he had the surgery 10 years ago other who work for him say he had in 2010. Gossip rags make up stuff all the time so I do not understand why anyone takes them seriously.

I am not mad at anyone and it obvious that anyone that does not agree with your views is seen as " irrational" or some kind of" know it all" that is a lot to get out of written words but you believe gossip rags so what does that say.

I care. I'm not a medical expert and neither are you, who is to say what could have been done if he'd put his energies to that.

And this has become pointless, Your fussing about the time period of when he had surgeries and gossip rags and what not, questions that no one here has any answers to. The man died from too much fentanyl, that's a fact we all know for sure. One of the most potent meds on books, I'd like to know how he got there, the rest is secondary. Wherever you want to go from that point then fine.

morningsong said:

rogifan said:

morningsong said:

Travis Smiley said he knew. Obviously, this Friedman guy knew, which means many others knew. Threads on the org have been made in the past about odd incidences and then later played down, so again others knew they just ignored it.

I'll have to re-watch that interview. Did Tavis actually say he knew Prince was using painkillers or he knew Prince had hip pain (and therefore assumed any painkiller usage was for that reason)? I find it curious that Tavis would know something like that but Sheila E. and Prince's bodyguard wouldn't (unless they weren't being truthful when they said they knew of nothing).

He knew he was on pain pill, but he didn't know he was on something that strong. Got the impression it wasn't a topic they had a whole lot of discussion about. He just knew P had pain and was taking medicine for it, like a whole lot of other people. Now the validity of what other people knew, I can't speak to, but it does seem strange in my mind. I'm not sure whether Shelia said she didn't know if he was on pain meds or whether she said she never saw him taking pain meds. There's a difference. I do know she has said she's aware he had pain issues, and I got the impression it was more than his hip but I watched that vid so long ago in the midst of everything else I'm not sure what she was referring to.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said: