Hate to point out the obvious here but he's gone, so I'm pretty sure that's what they meant. I wouldn't hold Ur breath 4 them 2 speak Kirky got a lawyer 4 a very good reason.

slvrhrt7 said:

I still find it odd that KJ, LG, or Merone have not mentioned anything. Its like they disappeared. The so called closest have become rather distant. And this term that he was in grave danger....suicidal thoughts, severe joint pain? Makes no sense. And yes these peeps should feel guilty for not being there to support and wait for adequte help to arrive. Still pissed!!!

If you mean Kirk Johnson, he has a lawyer, and is smart not to talk, especially to satiate a fan's need for gossip.

Larry Graham has given a couple of brief interviews, but what's to be said?

Regarding those two, this is still a criminal investigation. The public's eagerness for tidbits is secondary, at best. The truth will come out eventually.

You have no idea if "the closest" are now distant. You don't, I don't - no one does. I mean, what are they supposed to be close to? Should they hang out at Paisley Park on the street to answer questions all day?

"Grave danger" could mean many things. The fact that he just faded off and was in a really, really bad spot on that plane dictates "grave danger" to me. He was dangerously close to death, more than once in a week or two. Danger of being in the grave - yes. Grave danger. Imagine if he was in a private room on a plane, and passed out like Judith Hill told us. And no one found him - oh wait, that happened in an elevator.

I'm not harsh, please understand. I'm just trying to be logical. It's pure conjecture to think everyone has abandoned Prince or whatever. Prince is gone. He's in a vase somewhere. It fucking sucks, but it's the truth. No one is going to burn a vigil all day. People are mourning, in their own way. We all are, including you and me. We hurt. But to point fingers, out of nothing more than your own anger which is valid but misdirected, and wonder why no one was there, or whatever is illogical.

I can only imagine the heartbreak those that knew him are truly going through. I would bet as much as we hurt, their pain is 100x more.

TrivialPursuit said:

slvrhrt7 said:

I still find it odd that KJ, LG, or Merone have not mentioned anything. Its like they disappeared. The so called closest have become rather distant. And this term that he was in grave danger....suicidal thoughts, severe joint pain? Makes no sense. And yes these peeps should feel guilty for not being there to support and wait for adequte help to arrive. Still pissed!!!

If you mean Kirk Johnson, he has a lawyer, and is smart not to talk, especially to satiate a fan's need for gossip.

Larry Graham has given a couple of brief interviews, but what's to be said?

Regarding those two, this is still a criminal investigation. The public's eagerness for tidbits is secondary, at best. The truth will come out eventually.

You have no idea if "the closest" are now distant. You don't, I don't - no one does. I mean, what are they supposed to be close to? Should they hang out at Paisley Park on the street to answer questions all day?

"Grave danger" could mean many things. The fact that he just faded off and was in a really, really bad spot on that plane dictates "grave danger" to me. He was dangerously close to death, more than once in a week or two. Danger of being in the grave - yes. Grave danger. Imagine if he was in a private room on a plane, and passed out like Judith Hill told us. And no one found him - oh wait, that happened in an elevator.

I'm not harsh, please understand. I'm just trying to be logical. It's pure conjecture to think everyone has abandoned Prince or whatever. Prince is gone. He's in a vase somewhere. It fucking sucks, but it's the truth. No one is going to burn a vigil all day. People are mourning, in their own way. We all are, including you and me. We hurt. But to point fingers, out of nothing more than your own anger which is valid but misdirected, and wonder why no one was there, or whatever is illogical.

I can only imagine the heartbreak those that knew him are truly going through. I would bet as much as we hurt, their pain is 100x more.

slvrhrt7 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

slvrhrt7 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

slvrhrt7 said:

I still find it odd that KJ, LG, or Merone have not mentioned anything. Its like they disappeared. The so called closest have become rather distant. And this term that he was in grave danger....suicidal thoughts, severe joint pain? Makes no sense. And yes these peeps should feel guilty for not being there to support and wait for adequte help to arrive. Still pissed!!!

If you mean Kirk Johnson, he has a lawyer, and is smart not to talk, especially to satiate a fan's need for gossip.

Larry Graham has given a couple of brief interviews, but what's to be said?

Regarding those two, this is still a criminal investigation. The public's eagerness for tidbits is secondary, at best. The truth will come out eventually.

You have no idea if "the closest" are now distant. You don't, I don't - no one does. I mean, what are they supposed to be close to? Should they hang out at Paisley Park on the street to answer questions all day?

"Grave danger" could mean many things. The fact that he just faded off and was in a really, really bad spot on that plane dictates "grave danger" to me. He was dangerously close to death, more than once in a week or two. Danger of being in the grave - yes. Grave danger. Imagine if he was in a private room on a plane, and passed out like Judith Hill told us. And no one found him - oh wait, that happened in an elevator.

I'm not harsh, please understand. I'm just trying to be logical. It's pure conjecture to think everyone has abandoned Prince or whatever. Prince is gone. He's in a vase somewhere. It fucking sucks, but it's the truth. No one is going to burn a vigil all day. People are mourning, in their own way. We all are, including you and me. We hurt. But to point fingers, out of nothing more than your own anger which is valid but misdirected, and wonder why no one was there, or whatever is illogical.

I can only imagine the heartbreak those that knew him are truly going through. I would bet as much as we hurt, their pain is 100x more.

Bullshit

RachB65 said:

BillieBalloon said:

morningsong said:

BillieBalloon said:

To me I think it means that we know he had almost died on the plane..and had managed to come back from that. So for that day, which he survived they probably felt he was out of immediate danger, and I guess he was if you take it in the literal sense. However, it gets confusing in the following week when they ring up a doctor and say there is still a grave medical emergency. Considering he survived the plane and was moving forward why describe the days AFTER the plane landing in this way? I think they used those words because nobody was sure he had stopped using the pain medication or at least cut down. He probably assured them that he had...but deep down they knew he hadn't. ..hence his life still being in grave danger. I think it's as simple as that. Who really knows there's little informatiom Just thinking out loud. [Edited 7/4/16 9:39am]

They probably thought it was all thrown away.

^^^^^ This.
Percocet all gone. Good.

Secret stash of something that could have been there a long time....in an elevator-accessible area only he knew the combination to.

TrivialPursuit said:

As fans you just assume Prince's employees gave a damn, when it's possible (hell, likely) they really didn't. They certainly act like they don't give a damn about him. It's more than fair to let their actions and silence speak for themselves. Kirk apparantley copped the illegally prescribed fatal overdose for Prince. Yeah yeah per Prince's orders... whatever, it makes no difference, and then dropped Prince off alone to self-administer the fatal dose... That's reckless behavior and the justice system has no punishment strong enough for him, imo.

Where it gets even more complicated is that Prince had so many illegal prescriptions that the Feds had to step in (raid Paisley) to help trace all this shit back to the source, which is apparantley going to net additional charges for doctors and God-only-knows-who-else around the country (I'm thinking Oakland and Toronto, but we will see).

funksterr said:

As fans you just assume Prince's employees gave a damn, when it's possible (hell, likely) they really didn't. They certainly act like they don't give a damn about him. It's more than fair to let their actions and silence speak for themselves. Kirk apparantley copped the illegally prescribed fatal overdose for Prince. Yeah yeah per Prince's orders... whatever, it makes no difference, and then dropped Prince off alone to self-administer the fatal dose... That's reckless behavior and the justice system has no punishment strong enough for him, imo.

Where it gets even more complicated is that Prince had so many illegal prescriptions that the Feds had to step in (raid Paisley) to help trace all this shit back to the source, which is apparantley going to net additional charges for doctors and God-only-knows-who-else around the country (I'm thinking Oakland and Toronto, but we will see).

What happened was Prince had a fentanyl patch without a prescription leading the DEA to be called in by local authorities.

With all of the gossip TMZ reports thre were tidbits of interesting info like the fact that the doctor in Minnesota had all his prescriptions on file and that all of the prescriptions Prince had were accounted for. The big mystery is where did he get the Fentanyl patch.

I supposed we are so used to everyone sharing everything on social media that when someone prefers to keep their privacy we start suspecting that they have something to hide. And about leaving him alone - surely it was Prince's decision. He could have found someone to stay with him 24/7 if he had wanted (if not a family member or a friend, surely an employee, nurse or other health care professional). But we know what Prince was like, and if he decided that he wanted to be alone he was always going to be alone.

muleFunk said:

muleFunk said:

funksterr said:

morningsong said:

BillieBalloon said:

To me I think it means that we know he had almost died on the plane..and had managed to come back from that. So for that day, which he survived they probably felt he was out of immediate danger, and I guess he was if you take it in the literal sense. However, it gets confusing in the following week when they ring up a doctor and say there is still a grave medical emergency. Considering he survived the plane and was moving forward why describe the days AFTER the plane landing in this way? I think they used those words because nobody was sure he had stopped using the pain medication or at least cut down. He probably assured them that he had...but deep down they knew he hadn't. ..hence his life still being in grave danger. I think it's as simple as that. Who really knows there's little informatiom Just thinking out loud. [Edited 7/4/16 9:39am]

They probably thought it was all thrown away.

i don't believe that is true morningsong.

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

Hmm...someone allegedly in "grave danger" took in a show at the Dakota Jazz Club in Minneapolis just a couple days before he died. According to people who worked there he looked and seemed fine. I'm a bit skeptical on this whole "grave danger" thing. We know what happened on the plane (at least according to Judith Hill assuming everything she's telling us is accurate and even then it's not the whole story) but we don't know what caused it. There is no official law enforcement report that says it was a painkiller overdose. And the medical examiner's report lists the death as an accidental overdose. I respect that those in P's inner circle aren't talking to the press. And I hope the official investigation stays private. Unless there was some criminal activity involved there is no right to know by the public. Leave it private.

--- I am not sure I buy grave danger either. He left Paisley Park and came back around 8:00pm. Where did the person in grave danger go that afternoon. Who was the aquaitance who dropped him off. Too many things do not add up. Why would Kornfield not just recommend hospitalization at one of the near by rehabs? Why does he need to send meds? Why did Dr. S not prescient something to help with withdrawals?

Geeze people. As has been said plenty above, grave danger is just that. Grave danger. He almost died. People then realized he had a problem. He was withrawing and it's been reported that he was getting more and more agitated as the days went by, prompting the call to the addiction doc. That is where grave danger comes in. Those close to him were concerned. And just because no one stayed with him that night doesn't mean they didn't try to. He was at the hospital the day he died, as well as Walgreens, so how to you know the doctor didn't prescribe something? Lots of conjecture.

CROWNS1 said:

CROWNS1 said:

Geeze people. As has been said plenty above, grave danger is just that. Grave danger. He almost died. People then realized he had a problem. He was withrawing and it's been reported that he was getting more and more agitated as the days went by, prompting the call to the addiction doc. That is where grave danger comes in. Those close to him were concerned. And just because no one stayed with him that night doesn't mean they didn't try to. He was at the hospital the day he died, as well as Walgreens, so how to you know the doctor didn't prescribe something? Lots of conjecture.

This is how I think too - it was not until then they realised the truth and then tried to help once they saw the problem, but Prince was also their boss and I bet he was stubborn too, so it would have been no easy ride for anyone and we dont know what went on at PP that night, someone may have begged to stay but Prince insisted on time alone. We just dont know those facts, but if the person did try to stay and then left at his insistance, they would be feeling so bad now because there is nothing worse in life than "what ifs" & I feel sorry for them, that is a big burden to carry & I would not want to discuss it in public either. They know they are going to be fried alive for it (not staying). I wish they had of stayed and I bet they do too......

laytonian said:

morningsong said:

BillieBalloon said: They probably thought it was all thrown away.

^^^^^ This.
Percocet all gone. Good.

Secret stash of something that could have been there a long time....in an elevator-accessible area only he knew the combination to.

Seems to me if they (the inner inner circle) assumed he had no access to it, they'd assume there was no danger from it and guards went down. There is likely a varible they knew nothing about. Who knows. My mind is spinning with this stuff, sometimes it's stops, but then it starts again and all kinds of scenerios play out in my head. I'm just working with the idea that this investigation is taking longer than it took to get the toxology report, maybe that's normal, maybe it isn't. I guess it isn't normal, especially if, according to TMZ they supposedly have all the pieces to the puzzle.

I seriously think Kirk Johnson needs to make a public statement sbout what went down!

MD431Madcat said:

I seriously think Kirk Johnson needs to make a public statement sbout what went down!

Then stop thinking. It's irresponsible if he did that.

morningsong said: