RachB65 said: sonshine said: Oh for f*** sake not all this again! I wish they would conclude their investigation so all this speculation will end and these trashy mags will have one less horse to beat. The Kornfelds didn't give Prince anything. He was deceased by the time Andrew arrived. Dr S is maintaining a low profile to protect himself from the onslaught of journalists without character or principles. Lots of people are barking up the wrong tree and looking for fault in others. My opinion as someone who works in Healthcare and deals with the pain mgmt/opioid issue every day is that these were all professionals trying to help Prince and doing the best they could for someone with his public profile in the face of an extremely personal health crisis. It's because of this overzealous need to know every dirty little secret that had to in part keep Prince from confronting this sooner. The majority of the responsibility falls on Prince himself as hard as that is to say. If anything the only problem I have for the way this all played out is that given what happened on the plane his people should have respected the gravity of his condition and insisted he be admitted if not in Moline then somewhere else immediately. If that was truly impossible at that time then why in the world was he not sent home from thst hospital with a save shot??!!?? Everyone on opiates should have this available just like people with life threatening allergies carry an epi pen. He just overdosed. I don't get that they didn't give him that piece of insurance. They are the only medical professionals who dropped the ball in this case. That would have also insured another person in PP with him as that would have been necessary for administration of the narcan. The rest of it is bull****. Even if he was given a Narcan shot/spray to take home, someone besides himself would have had to administer it and its obvious he was alone when he OD'd Exactly. That would have taken away any argument about being left alone. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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Lemme know when somebody is held responsible for this besides Prince cuz I really dont see it happening | |
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laurarichardson said: 1Sasha said:
-// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter. Percocette most definitely does not put you on your ass if you are a habitual user or abuser... Many who take it cannot function without it and many who abuse it take 4 or more at a time just to be able to go to work and will work their asses off until it wears off and it's time for more. I've lived with an abuser and know this to be the truth . I also know others who are the same .. I have a neighbor who cannot go to work unless he has a couple of percs. If he has none he gets nothing done , if he scores a few percs, his lawn gets done, his truck gets washed etc, etc. I hired the kid to do some carpenter work for me , he worked his ass off when he had them, if his script was out or low he would tell me he had to come the next week due to not having his meds. | |
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nursev said: Lemme know when somebody is held responsible for this besides Prince cuz I really dont see it happening Me either ... Unless there's something big here that we don't know about . When my ex was in rehab for opiate addiction ( first go round ) They taught us the three Cs ..... Is being the co-dependants , I think they can be applied to those around Prince Three Cs I didn't CAUSE it I can't CURE it I can't CONTROL it Sadly, he was responsible for his own opiate dependency /addiction , whatever you want to call it .I do believe that many around him knew more than we are lead to believe , but their hands were tied .You cannot make someone stop using .They are the only ones who can do that . | |
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Its all true...I think he wanted to, but waited too late. Nobody will be blamed for it except Prince. Its sad really that his legacy will be tarnised by that...its truly sad. He just needed help for his pain | |
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Jesme1999, thank you for bringing up the 3 C's. I lost a parent to addiction and now Prince is gone. I am hurting big time, but I believe what you said is so true. All you can do is be there and love a friend or family member affected by any addiction. "A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince | |
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the doctor said you were dead, and i said it's senseless.. | |
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jesme1999 said: nursev said: Lemme know when somebody is held responsible for this besides Prince cuz I really dont see it happening Me either ... Unless there's something big here that we don't know about . When my ex was in rehab for opiate addiction ( first go round ) They taught us the three Cs ..... Is being the co-dependants , I think they can be applied to those around Prince Three Cs I didn't CAUSE it I can't CURE it I can't CONTROL it Sadly, he was responsible for his own opiate dependency /addiction , whatever you want to call it .I do believe that many around him knew more than we are lead to believe , but their hands were tied .You cannot make someone stop using .They are the only ones who can do that . Exactly!! Thank you for mentioning the three Cs. It's so true and until you have been there with a loved one who is in this mess you won't understand how difficult it is and really often completely impossible to make a positive difference. Which is the most difficult thing to accept. It just not up to you. | |
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laytonian said:
In my opinion, that is actually the most unlikely possibility. He arrived somewhere around 2am and left around 11am. That falls way short of the 24 hours they suggested he stay. He left because the wouldn't give him a private room. | |
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laytonian said:
--- Exactly, he did not run out of the hospital if he was there until 11:00 am the next day. | |
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jesme1999 said: laurarichardson said: -// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter. Percocette most definitely does not put you on your ass if you are a habitual user or abuser... Many who take it cannot function without it and many who abuse it take 4 or more at a time just to be able to go to work and will work their asses off until it wears off and it's time for more. I've lived with an abuser and know this to be the truth . I also know others who are the same .. I have a neighbor who cannot go to work unless he has a couple of percs. If he has none he gets nothing done , if he scores a few percs, his lawn gets done, his truck gets washed etc, etc. I hired the kid to do some carpenter work for me , he worked his ass off when he had them, if his script was out or low he would tell me he had to come the next week due to not having his meds. --- Well what happened to the Percocet story it appears to have vanished. I had gallbladder surgery and had already loss about 15 lbs before the surgery. I weighted 115 and I took Percocets all day the day after the surgery. I was not able to move and by the next day I was constipated so badly projectile vomiting started with dry heaves following. May understanding is that all of these pain meds cause this types of problems over time no matter how much tolerance you have. Your to tolerance just means taking more of them you are going to wrecked at some point. According to everyone who worked with him he was still putting in 100 hours a week. Read the Vibe article he has several projects in the can and was touring. I have my doubts he was as strung these things as the media is making it out to be. | |
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sonshine said: EnDoRpHn said:
If you really work in healthcare, you should know that it's illegal for anyone to possess schedule ii controlled substances without a prescription, and it is almost certainly a federal crime for a medical student to be transporting schedule iii substances across state lines. Yes, it is. I also believe in "No harm, no foul". But that's just my opinion. Well that is not what the law believes. I still want to know who was going to administer the med Andrew brought. | |
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jesme1999 said: laurarichardson said: -// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter. Percocette most definitely does not put you on your ass if you are a habitual user or abuser... Many who take it cannot function without it and many who abuse it take 4 or more at a time just to be able to go to work and will work their asses off until it wears off and it's time for more. I've lived with an abuser and know this to be the truth . I also know others who are the same .. I have a neighbor who cannot go to work unless he has a couple of percs. If he has none he gets nothing done , if he scores a few percs, his lawn gets done, his truck gets washed etc, etc. I hired the kid to do some carpenter work for me , he worked his ass off when he had them, if his script was out or low he would tell me he had to come the next week due to not having his meds. Got a guy like that around here too. Buzzes around fixing the property when high. When not high and sick, I don't let him anywhere near my apartment. Actually I finally set a polite but firm boundary and haven't seen him around since. Addicts without money will steal anything that isn't nailed down when sick. No judgment here, just stating the facts. Protect yourself. | |
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That's what people are missing. There are agents here spinning this into an addiction and it wasn't. This was something short term at the maximum. | |
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[/quote] Well that is not what the law believes. I still want to know who was going to administer the med Andrew brought.[/quote] Also when did Andrew really first see him if he got in the night before... | |
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Did you read the Judith Hill account? He didn't leave until 11am or so. Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. | |
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Well that is not what the law believes. I still want to know who was going to administer the med Andrew brought. Also when did Andrew really first see him if he got in the night before...
Andrew was driven to a hotel by one of Prince's "entourage" (most likely, Kirk). Andrew didn't go to PP until shortly before P's body was found the next morning.
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If I recall what Judith Hill said in the NYT's article, they left the hospital 10-ish in the morning and arrived back in Minneapolis by 11 a.m. Minneapolis is about an hour northwest of Moline, Ill. by plane. [Edited 7/2/16 15:47pm] I'm in the news again
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nursev said:
Its all true...I think he wanted to, but waited too late. Nobody will be blamed for it except Prince. Its sad really that his legacy will be tarnised by that...its truly sad. He just needed help for his pain His legacy will not be tarnished by this because you judge people on how they lived not how they died. | |
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muleFunk said:
That's what people are missing. There are agents here spinning this into an addiction and it wasn't. This was something short term at the maximum. --- Exactly, people on this board are comparing junkies who are handy men to a working musician/businessman working 100 hours a week, recording music, traveling internationally, and doing a two hour piano show with lively interaction with the audience as a totally trashed junkie with more than what 50 people stating he never seemed high and was easy to work with. I want to sell some of you the Brooklyn bridge. No is saying he was not using just don't believe he was strung out like the media is making it out to be. | |
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WUT?!!!!1111 OMFGBBQ DOCTERS R THE WURST. THEY WILL KILL U. IF NOT THEM, THEN THE SPLITS WILL KILL U. DON'T DO BANANA SPLITS, MMMKAY? KILL U THEY WILL. BREAKONG DOCTERS PRESCRIBE BENANA SPLITZ IMMENSELY AVOIDABLE I AGREE WITH U BBQOMFGWTF | |
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Baduizm said:
If I recall what Judith Hill said in the NYT's article, they left the hospital 10-ish in the morning and arrived back in Minneapolis by 11 a.m. Minneapolis is about an hour northwest of Moline, Ill. by plane. [Edited 7/2/16 15:47pm] Okay so I am off by an hour. The point here is he stayed beyond a few hours. | |
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suomynona said:
WUT?!!!!1111 OMFGBBQ DOCTERS R THE WURST. THEY WILL KILL U. IF NOT THEM, THEN THE SPLITS WILL KILL U. DON'T DO BANANA SPLITS, MMMKAY? KILL U THEY WILL. BREAKONG DOCTERS PRESCRIBE BENANA SPLITZ IMMENSELY AVOIDABLE I AGREE WITH U BBQOMFGWTF What is your point? We are going to see topics like this on this board for years. If you don't like it do not bother to read any of it. | |
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3 C's...so easy to type but so incredibly difficult to do. Especially when it's someone you love. Spent many tormented hours trying to apply this to my life. | |
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laurarichardson said: jesme1999 said: Percocette most definitely does not put you on your ass if you are a habitual user or abuser... Many who take it cannot function without it and many who abuse it take 4 or more at a time just to be able to go to work and will work their asses off until it wears off and it's time for more. I've lived with an abuser and know this to be the truth . I also know others who are the same .. I have a neighbor who cannot go to work unless he has a couple of percs. If he has none he gets nothing done , if he scores a few percs, his lawn gets done, his truck gets washed etc, etc. I hired the kid to do some carpenter work for me , he worked his ass off when he had them, if his script was out or low he would tell me he had to come the next week due to not having his meds. --- Well what happened to the Percocet story it appears to have vanished. I had gallbladder surgery and had already loss about 15 lbs before the surgery. I weighted 115 and I took Percocets all day the day after the surgery. I was not able to move and by the next day I was constipated so badly projectile vomiting started with dry heaves following. May understanding is that all of these pain meds cause this types of problems over time no matter how much tolerance you have. Your to tolerance just means taking more of them you are going to wrecked at some point. According to everyone who worked with him he was still putting in 100 hours a week. Read the Vibe article he has several projects in the can and was touring. I have my doubts he was as strung these things as the media is making it out to be. This stuff is powerful shit. No way P could be abusing this stuff on a regular basis and still do everything he was doing (and nobody seemingly noticing). He wasn't a hermit the last few years of his life, he was performing, recording, still giving interviews etc. Paisley Park is in your heart
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This part is stupid, had his son arrived a day earlier, Prince would most likely still be alive. Why investigage the doctor who did not contribute to his death and had the best chance of preventing it. | |
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laytonian said:
Well that is not what the law believes. I still want to know who was going to administer the med Andrew brought. Also when did Andrew really first see him if he got in the night before...
Andrew was driven to a hotel by one of Prince's "entourage" (most likely, Kirk). Andrew didn't go to PP until shortly before P's body was found the next morning.
There's a "grave condition" but everyone's waiting until the next morning Yeah...that Prince is in "grave condition" so everyone WAITS? For what...to find him like they did. Ugh so upsetting. | |
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Kirk, though not a doctor will be investigated even more so. He was with P thru all of it, and even introduced him to his physician that fed him a nice dose of fentanyl prescriptions for years. He needed a legal outlet of course. If we don't believe that Kirk knows everything , that would be like saying Michael Jackson's family had no idea he he was fond of prepubescent boys who looked mixed. | |
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Menes said: Kirk, though not a doctor will be investigated even more so. He was with P thru all of it, and even introduced him to his physician that fed him a nice dose of fentanyl prescriptions for years. He needed a legal outlet of course. If we don't believe that Kirk knows everything , that would be like saying Michael Jackson's family had no idea he he was fond of prepubescent boys who looked mixed. How do we know that P was using fentanyl for years? We don't. Paisley Park is in your heart
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