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PrintableBunsterdk said: Kara said: Why are some fans so intent on pushing this cancer theory, despite the fact there is no evidence to support it, but rather evidence to disprove it? Why the need for the melodrama, and making the situation even sadder than it already is? It's interesting that no one dares to entertain the AIDS stories, though. Is that what this is about? Making Prince's death more palatable to you and your own prejudices? What evidence have you seen to disprove the cancer theory? 1. The medical examiner's "public data" form has a line for "other significant conditions", apart from the cause of death, that was left blank. This is why I also do not believe the AIDS stories. The cancer/terminal illness theorists ignore this. http://prince.org/msg/7/427060 2. No one has claimed he had cancer. Sheila and others have told us about his hip and knee problems, which could understandably lead to opioid use and addiction. 3. Cancer or terminally ill patients don't make plans to go to rehab to get off a medication they would legitimately and desperately need. 4. Cancer or terminally ill patients with valid prescriptions don't get their homes raided by the feds. | |
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CherryMoon57 said:
Personnally, if he did have HIV or even AIDS, it would just be very sad - just like any other things that could have happened to him would, not "less palatable". Please step out of your own judgement box and unfounded negative assumptions. These categorisation of illnesses are the kind of behaviour that can lead anyone to isolate themselves and hide their wounds/weaknesses from others without seeking any help by fear of judgement. These type of mindsets could even be the core root and reason of what has happened to him. [Edited 7/14/16 3:47am] I wasn't talking about you, but if you think the shoe fits... | |
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Kara said: Bunsterdk said: What evidence have you seen to disprove the cancer theory? 1. The medical examiner's "public data" form has a line for "other significant conditions", apart from the cause of death, that was left blank. This is why I also do not believe the AIDS stories. The cancer/terminal illness theorists ignore this. http://prince.org/msg/7/427060 2. No one has claimed he had cancer. Sheila and others have told us about his hip and knee problems, which could understandably lead to opioid use and addiction. 3. Cancer or terminally ill patients don't make plans to go to rehab to get off a medication they would legitimately and desperately need. 4. Cancer or terminally ill patients with valid prescriptions don't get their homes raided by the feds. 1. He did not die of cancer. They could choose to leave this empty. Not ignored, explained over and over in multiple threads already. 2. Sheila and others may not have known. They hadn't spoken in many months. Sometime in 2015. They weren't close like that anymore. 3. Yeah, they do seek pain management help if their current pain management is killing them. He nearly died a week earlier.. 4. Yes, just like any other pain patients do if they die of an overdose and something is looking suspicious. So hip pain gets you raided by the feds, but cancer pain doesn't? Where's the logic in that? All of the above go for aids or any other terminal illness too. We have nothing that disproves it. | |
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Glad you posted what you did, Some people act like they can't face reality of aging... |
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Tresha68 said:
I have not discounted Aids i.e. Kaposi Sarcoma. AIDS Are you going to demand that the family tell us if he had AIDS, too? | |
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Tresha68 said:
AND, if you truly look with honest eyes, you will see he was suffering a physical ailment. If you look with honest eyes you wisee that it looks as though his eyebrows are penciled in and the lack of facial hair as well as the undyed and thinning hair under his hat. Why are these statements melodrama or demeaning? Of course he was suffering...from the effects of opioid withdrawal. People keep saying he looked sick like that's some kind of revelation. No shit. Do you understand what addiction and withdrawal does to a person? It gets to the point of absurdity, though, when people scrutinize pictures to the point where a picture of light hitting him in an unflattering way turns into "OMG he must have had cancer". | |
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Tresha68 said:
Whether he died from an overdose (which he did) or complications of a terminal illness (which I believe) Why do you want to believe that? | |
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Kara said: Tresha68 said:
AND, if you truly look with honest eyes, you will see he was suffering a physical ailment. If you look with honest eyes you wisee that it looks as though his eyebrows are penciled in and the lack of facial hair as well as the undyed and thinning hair under his hat. Why are these statements melodrama or demeaning? Of course he was suffering...from the effects of opioid withdrawal. People keep saying he looked sick like that's some kind of revelation. No shit. Do you understand what addiction and withdrawal does to a person? It gets to the point of absurdity, though, when people scrutinize pictures to the point where a picture of light hitting him in an unflattering way turns into "OMG he must have had cancer". Yeah, well, that wasn't exactly what we said and what made us say what we did, but this is leading nowhere. You hear what you want to hear and there ain't nothing we can do about it. 
I stand by what I actually said and the points I actually made. Lol You seem to be determined to see only signs of heavy opioid abuse. I don't know what that is about, but I'll leave that with you. He had a problem, yes. It killed him. Obviously that's a problem. The severity of the addiction, how long it lasted, what he took other than that final time, none of us know. That's fact. [Edited 7/14/16 13:02pm] | |
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Tresha68 said:
If this thread bothers you, why enter into the dialog? I came into this thread because I wanted to see the last pictures of him. It's not just certain comments in this thread that bother me, it's a recurring theme on this board in general that I'm fed up with. | |
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rogifan said: Kara said: Why are some fans so intent on pushing this cancer theory, despite the fact there is no evidence to support it, but rather evidence to disprove it? Why the need for the melodrama, and making the situation even sadder than it already is? It's interesting that no one dares to entertain the AIDS stories, though. Is that what this is about? Making Prince's death more palatable to you and your own prejudices? Seems like there's more people pushing AIDS than cancer even though there's no credible AIDS theory either. It's almost as if some people want him to have died from AIDS or something.... In the tabloids, yes, but on this board all I've seen is cancer, cancer, cancer. I think both theories are illogical. | |
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Bunsterdk said: Kara said: 1. The medical examiner's "public data" form has a line for "other significant conditions", apart from the cause of death, that was left blank. This is why I also do not believe the AIDS stories. The cancer/terminal illness theorists ignore this. http://prince.org/msg/7/427060 2. No one has claimed he had cancer. Sheila and others have told us about his hip and knee problems, which could understandably lead to opioid use and addiction. 3. Cancer or terminally ill patients don't make plans to go to rehab to get off a medication they would legitimately and desperately need. 4. Cancer or terminally ill patients with valid prescriptions don't get their homes raided by the feds. 1. He did not die of cancer. They could choose to leave this empty. Not ignored, explained over and over in multiple threads already. 2. Sheila and others may not have known. They hadn't spoken in many months. Sometime in 2015. They weren't close like that anymore. 3. Yeah, they do seek pain management help if their current pain management is killing them. He nearly died a week earlier.. 4. Yes, just like any other pain patients do if they die of an overdose and something is looking suspicious. So hip pain gets you raided by the feds, but cancer pain doesn't? Where's the logic in that? All of the above go for aids or any other terminal illness too. We have nothing that disproves it. 1. Yet they chose to tell us about his scars and what color underwear he was wearing. 2. The family knows now. 3. But if he was dying anyway, like some here believe? 4. What's suspicious about a cancer patient accidentally taking too much of a medication they were legally prescribed? I don't 100% rule it out, but we have no proof he had cancer, yet some people want to cling to that idea instead of the facts we do know. | |
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Bunsterdk said: Kara said: Of course he was suffering...from the effects of opioid withdrawal. People keep saying he looked sick like that's some kind of revelation. No shit. Do you understand what addiction and withdrawal does to a person? It gets to the point of absurdity, though, when people scrutinize pictures to the point where a picture of light hitting him in an unflattering way turns into "OMG he must have had cancer". You seem to be determined to see only signs of heavy opioid abuse. I don't know what that is about, but I'll leave that with you. He had a problem, yes. It killed him. Obviously that's a problem. The severity of the addiction, how long it lasted, what he took other than that final time, none of us know. That's fact. [Edited 7/14/16 13:02pm] I'm determined to only see facts and use logic, and not make shit up and grasp at straws to make myself feel better about how he died. It doesn't make a difference to me why he was using opioids or for how long. The fact he was suffering in any way breaks my heart. Point blank - I think some fans on this board are ignorant, judgmental, and prejudiced toward those with drug addictions, and that's why they are desperately searching for a "better" reason for him being on drugs. They gravitate toward the disease with the least stigma, and most sympathy attached to it - cancer. That's what bothers me. | |
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Kara said: Bunsterdk said: You seem to be determined to see only signs of heavy opioid abuse. I don't know what that is about, but I'll leave that with you. He had a problem, yes. It killed him. Obviously that's a problem. The severity of the addiction, how long it lasted, what he took other than that final time, none of us know. That's fact. [Edited 7/14/16 13:02pm] I'm determined to only see facts and use logic, and not make shit up and grasp at straws to make myself feel better about how he died. It doesn't make a difference to me why he was using opioids or for how long. The fact he was suffering in any way breaks my heart. Point blank - I think some fans on this board are ignorant, judgmental, and prejudiced toward those with drug addictions, and that's why they are desperately searching for a "better" reason for him being on drugs. They gravitate toward the disease with the least stigma, and most sympathy attached to it - cancer. That's what bothers me. The only one I see clinging to anything here is you. You completely ignore the fact that several of us have said we have no issue with aids. You are even accusing us of preferring for him to suffer a terminal illness rather than face your version of the world in which he was an abuser of illegally obtained drugs. Something you have no proof of. He is guilty in your eyes based only on the fact that they are/were investigating. We haven't even heard of any charges yet,but you have already ruled that he is guilty. There must be a reason for this, but I don't even want to know what your motives are and I sure ain't gonna follow your example and make up conclusions myself. It lies with you. He's innocent till proven guilty in my book, Now goodnight or good day, depending on where you are. | |
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Bunsterdk said: Kara said: I'm determined to only see facts and use logic, and not make shit up and grasp at straws to make myself feel better about how he died. It doesn't make a difference to me why he was using opioids or for how long. The fact he was suffering in any way breaks my heart. Point blank - I think some fans on this board are ignorant, judgmental, and prejudiced toward those with drug addictions, and that's why they are desperately searching for a "better" reason for him being on drugs. They gravitate toward the disease with the least stigma, and most sympathy attached to it - cancer. That's what bothers me. The only one I see clinging to anything here is you. You completely ignore the fact that several of us have said we have no issue with aids. You are even accusing us of preferring for him to suffer a terminal illness rather than face your version of the world in which he was an abuser of illegally obtained drugs. Something you have no proof of. He is guilty in your eyes based only on the fact that they are/were investigating. We haven't even heard of any charges yet,but you have already ruled that he is guilty. There must be a reason for this, but I don't even want to know what your motives are and I sure ain't gonna follow your example and make up conclusions myself. It lies with you. He's innocent till proven guilty in my book, Now goodnight or good day, depending on where you are. There it is. That's what I'm talking about. You attach a negative moral connotation to drug addiction - that it's something to be "guilty" of. Unfortunately, some here help to contribute to the stigma surrounding addiction, whether they realize it or not. I didn't say he was an illegal abuser of drugs, but even if he was, that doesn't make him a bad, immoral, or unintelligent person. It makes him a person who had the disease of addiction, and makes him equally worthy of sympathy no matter what caused him to use drugs in the first place. You know, you weren't even the person I had in mind in my earlier posts, but you keep getting defensive even when I'm not talking to you or about you. Hmm. | |
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The ME reports ONLY the manner in which he perished: Overdose.
The autopsy report states all other illness, radiographs etc. So it is plausible he had CA.
I don't want to believe it. But, I am able to look at phots of the past 2 years and not kid myself as to what I see. It is evident.
Thank you for breaking my comments down. Ugh. I see things with honest, real eyes. Period. | |
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Tresha68 said:
The ME reports ONLY the manner in which he perished: Overdose.
The autopsy report states all other illness, radiographs etc. So it is plausible he had CA.
I don't want to believe it. But, I am able to look at phots of the past 2 years and not kid myself as to what I see. It is evident.
Thank you for breaking my comments down. Ugh. I see things with honest, real eyes. Period. You see things through a confirmation bias. The M.E.'s public data form also has a line for "other significant conditions", apart from cause of death. If you think a blank line makes cancer plausible, then it makes absolutely anything plausible. As has been noted here and in other threads, all his physical symptoms could be explained by opioid withdrawal, which we know he was suffering from. You stated earlier that you were mind-boggled that the family doesn't come out and say he had cancer. Perhaps because he didn't? Maybe there's nothing else to tell? Why does there have to be more? | |
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I really don't think this is him. There is no beauty mark on the side of his face and his teeth look way to small, I honestly don't believe it is him | |
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I was watching him on Arsenio Hall last night and to go from that to this in such short time just isn't about normal aging. I don't buy it. [Edited 7/12/16 8:08am] [Edited 7/12/16 8:40am]whatdoesitmatter said:
I really don't think this is him. There is no beauty mark on the side of his face and his teeth look way to small, I honestly don't believe it is him You are right  good catch!I don't see the beauty mark and his teeth do look different. So does anyone know who is this a pic of? | |
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whatdoesitmatter said:
I really don't think this is him. There is no beauty mark on the side of his face and his teeth look way to small, I honestly don't believe it is him he got teeth on the side/back(molars?) missing too | |
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whatdoesitmatter said:
I really don't think this is him. There is no beauty mark on the side of his face and his teeth look way to small, I honestly don't believe it is him "whose else would it be?" | |
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Two words that may apply here: photoshop and (removable) veneers? I have no doubt that this picture is him. Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end  | |
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of course that picture is him | |
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Looking at his hands in the last copule photographs... his finger joints are swollen and look like he has developed osteoarthritis. Would explain why he wasn't playing guitar and needing fentanyl. | |
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gezza said: Looking at his hands in the last copule photographs... his finger joints are swollen and look like he has developed osteoarthritis. Would explain why he wasn't playing guitar and needing fentanyl. He wasn't playing guitar so he could focus 100% on piano. At the last event at PP he said he had to keep his new guitar in the case otherwise he'd get the urge to play it. Paisley Park is in your heart
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I think this was photoshopped to make him look bad. Seriously scroll up the page and there is a photo of him showing his teeth and the teeth in this photo are alot smaller than the ones in the previous picture. Secondly there is no beauty mark on his cheek. Those are very hard to hide and its not there. This is not our Prince | |
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