OldFriends4Sale said:

It's stuff like that, that kind of racial BS that made Prince go all Camille

And why he prefered to be in Lavax

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Wow..."racial BS"? Why does it bother you so much anytime someone discusses Prince as an African American in the context of racism endured by African Americans? Why do you want people to think that Prince was not concerned with the issues suffered by African Americans when he was clearly concerned about these issues? As for preferring to be in Lavax, Prince also wanted to March, wanted to quote MLK and be Emancipated, wanted us to Be Moved when black babies made the grade and still didn't get the job, wanted us to understand the racism of Abraham Lincoln, and many more issues about which wrote that were directly related to the specific plight of African Americans. Was this all "racial BS" when Prince, as an African American, was addressing issues specific to African Americans? Prince was Camille, but he was also the guy who wrote "Radical Man: 2045," "Uncle Sam," "The Work, Pt. 1," "Dreamer," and "Family Name." So, it seems that Prince was equally, if not more, concerned with this "racial BS" as you put it.

The writer is clearly not an academic writer as he can't differentiate between gay and camp.

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Maybe he should read up on cinema history before writing his article.

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1725topp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's stuff like that, that kind of racial BS that made Prince go all Camille

And why he prefered to be in Lavax

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Wow..."racial BS"? Why does it bother you so much anytime someone discusses Prince as an African American in the context of racism endured by African Americans? Why do you want people to think that Prince was not concerned with the issues suffered by African Americans when he was clearly concerned about these issues? As for preferring to be in Lavax, Prince also wanted to March, wanted to quote MLK and be Emancipated, wanted us to Be Moved when black babies made the grade and still didn't get the job, wanted us to understand the racism of Abraham Lincoln, and many more issues about which wrote that were directly related to the specific plight of African Americans. Was this all "racial BS" when Prince, as an African American, was addressing issues specific to African Americans? Prince was Camille, but he was also the guy who wrote "Radical Man: 2045," "Uncle Sam," "The Work, Pt. 1," "Dreamer," and "Family Name." So, it seems that Prince was equally, if not more, concerned with this "racial BS" as you put it.

What in hell are you talking about?

dude please.
I'm talking about the 'gayest Black' crap

As I said in a previous post, there were other non(Black) entertainers dressed in full make up and boas and such and never considered gay.

+ U didn't think he should have done the show with a European woman anyway.

U just wasted a whole post. I'm just skimming through because your comments having absolutely nothing to do with what I'm refering to. Keep it on topic, Christopher Tracy is NOT the gayest black character of the 80s

Racial BS, get it?

Did you even read the article?

This story haunts me. I tell it in hopes to make it your problem too. I am a filmmaker who is queer, biracial, Jewish, Rasta, black, yet fully versed in cinema history, I want to ruin all your cinematic experiences going forward as they have been ruined for me. ‘Cause this is what watching gay characters and gay films is like when you’re not white – bereft. And it has scant to do with dreck like Mannequin. In cinema, all the gays are boys, and all the boys are white. None are black. In other words, Prince in Under the Cherry Moon is the gayest black character of the ’80s, and in context of that film, he’s heterosexual.

BobGeorge909 said:

How is it about a gay guy where he's banging white chicks the whole movie....even Mary's mom? There's the bath scene but nothing went below the waterline...I don't get it.

Right, I understand the author of the article in connection with hidden gay characters in movies. But Under the Cherry Moon is not it. Christopher nor Tricky.
The love of a friend should not equate to homosexual. And Tricky & Christopher were having sex with women in that movie.

RJOrion said:

Tricky (Jerome) was the "gay" one in UTCM...helping P take his bath...throwing rose petals in the bathwater...always giving P the googly eyes (complete with heavy eyeliner)...and an effeminate lisp when he spoke..what straight man goes by "Tricky"?

I remember when this movie came out,a friend saw it and asked me "were Prince and Jerome supposed to be lovers"? It's clear that some people didn't really "get" the strong friendship between Christopher and Tricky.I think alot of people also didn't understand the campiness and humor in this film.

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[Edited 6/27/16 13:38pm]

Have you seen the movie: Mannequin? Hollywood!

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1725topp said:

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Wow..."racial BS"? Why does it bother you so much anytime someone discusses Prince as an African American in the context of racism endured by African Americans? Why do you want people to think that Prince was not concerned with the issues suffered by African Americans when he was clearly concerned about these issues? As for preferring to be in Lavax, Prince also wanted to March, wanted to quote MLK and be Emancipated, wanted us to Be Moved when black babies made the grade and still didn't get the job, wanted us to understand the racism of Abraham Lincoln, and many more issues about which wrote that were directly related to the specific plight of African Americans. Was this all "racial BS" when Prince, as an African American, was addressing issues specific to African Americans? Prince was Camille, but he was also the guy who wrote "Radical Man: 2045," "Uncle Sam," "The Work, Pt. 1," "Dreamer," and "Family Name." So, it seems that Prince was equally, if not more, concerned with this "racial BS" as you put it.

What in hell are you talking about?

dude please.
I'm talking about the 'gayest Black' crap

As I said in a previous post, there were other non(Black) entertainers dressed in full make up and boas and such and never considered gay.

+ U didn't think he should have done the show with a European woman anyway.

U just wasted a whole post. I'm just skimming through because your comments having absolutely nothing to do with what I'm refering to. Keep it on topic, Christopher Tracy is NOT the gayest black character of the 80s

Racial BS, get it?

Did you even read the article?

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Yeah, player, I read the article and your post, which focused on the issue of "race" when you said "racial BS." You didn't say "sexuality BS" but "racial BS," which indicates you are focused as much, if not more, on the "racial" element as the "sexuality" element. If you were so focused on the "sexuality" aspect, why didn’t you say "sexuality BS?" Additionally, your Lavax comment is also about "race" as you inferred in a previous thread. At least, I've never read you mention Lavax during a discussion about sexuality. If so, please send me a link to when you mentioned Lavax regarding sexuality and not race. The time that I remember you mentioning Lavax was when you wanted to assert that Prince was never concerned with issues specific to the African-American community. So, your entire "racial BS" comment was more of your ongoing desire to present Prince as a non-African American or to present him as a "special" Negro not connected to the African American community and its specific concerns as you have done in other threads. So, yes, I read the article and your "racial BS" and Lavax comment.

1725topp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

What in hell are you talking about?

dude please.
I'm talking about the 'gayest Black' crap

As I said in a previous post, there were other non(Black) entertainers dressed in full make up and boas and such and never considered gay.

+ U didn't think he should have done the show with a European woman anyway.

U just wasted a whole post. I'm just skimming through because your comments having absolutely nothing to do with what I'm refering to. Keep it on topic, Christopher Tracy is NOT the gayest black character of the 80s

Racial BS, get it?

Did you even read the article?

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Yeah, player, I read the article and your post, which focused on the issue of "race" when you said "racial BS." You didn't say "sexuality BS" but "racial BS," which indicates you are focused as much, if not more, on the "racial" element as the "sexuality" element. If you were so focused on the "sexuality" aspect, why didn’t you say "sexuality BS?" Additionally, your Lavax comment is also about "race" as you inferred in a previous thread. At least, I've never read you mention Lavax during a discussion about sexuality. If so, please send me a link to when you mentioned Lavax regarding sexuality and not race. The time that I remember you mentioning Lavax was when you wanted to assert that Prince was never concerned with issues specific to the African-American community. So, your entire "racial BS" comment was more of your ongoing desire to present Prince as a non-African American or to present him as a "special" Negro not connected to the African American community and its specific concerns as you have done in other threads. So, yes, I read the article and your "racial BS" and Lavax comment.

#1 the article about about Christopher Tracy being the gayest black character. I called it racial BS

#2 I choose to use those songs just to make fun of Prince running away from the BS

#3 I'm not a player

#4 stop trying to hijack this discussion

#5 you read too much into shit, back up, this is not about music
#6 read my post #21 it's about sexuality 'playa'

#7 ...the fact that you are still stewing about a different discussion a month ago...
#8

OldFriends4Sale said:

1725topp said:

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Yeah, player, I read the article and your post, which focused on the issue of "race" when you said "racial BS." You didn't say "sexuality BS" but "racial BS," which indicates you are focused as much, if not more, on the "racial" element as the "sexuality" element. If you were so focused on the "sexuality" aspect, why didn’t you say "sexuality BS?" Additionally, your Lavax comment is also about "race" as you inferred in a previous thread. At least, I've never read you mention Lavax during a discussion about sexuality. If so, please send me a link to when you mentioned Lavax regarding sexuality and not race. The time that I remember you mentioning Lavax was when you wanted to assert that Prince was never concerned with issues specific to the African-American community. So, your entire "racial BS" comment was more of your ongoing desire to present Prince as a non-African American or to present him as a "special" Negro not connected to the African American community and its specific concerns as you have done in other threads. So, yes, I read the article and your "racial BS" and Lavax comment.

#1 the article about about Christopher Tracy being the gayest black character. I called it racial BS

#2 I choose to use those songs just to make fun of Prince running away from the BS

#3 I'm not a player

#4 stop trying to hijack this discussion

#5 you read too much into shit, back up, this is not about music
#6 read my post #21 it's about sexuality 'playa'

#7 ...the fact that you are still stewing about a different discussion a month ago...
#8

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1. Why did you focus on the "racial" element rather than the "sexuality"? If the "sexuality" element was the focus, you could have called it "sexuality BS" rather than "racial BS," but you chose to focus on "race."

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2. You have never used Lavax in any other context other than showing that Prince was not interested in specific issues related to the African-American community. You've never used Lavax to discuss sexuality so your use of it, so far, has always implied a focus on race not sexuality. That's the history of "your" use of the song.

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3. I don't like being call dude, so what up player?

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4. Not trying to hijack this discussion, just commented on your statement of "racial BS" when you could have focused on "sexuality BS." If you wanted to keep the focus on "sexuality," you would have written "sexuality BS."

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5. Don't get mad at me because your words speak for themselves.

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6. Then, you should have said "sexuality BS."

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7. Nope, not stewing at all about a different conversation, just pointing out that with almost every post you make it somehow turns into a way to separate Prince from the African-American community or to infer that Prince's music or legacy has nothing to do with African-American history, struggle, or legacy. I'm hardly mad. In fact, I just like calling you on it because it's fun and hilarious to see to what lengths you go to perpetuate your fantasy of Prince as a non-African American.

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8. Really?...I bet you were up all night thinking of that comeback :^)

1725topp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

#1 the article about about Christopher Tracy being the gayest black character. I called it racial BS

#2 I choose to use those songs just to make fun of Prince running away from the BS

#3 I'm not a player

#4 stop trying to hijack this discussion

#5 you read too much into shit, back up, this is not about music
#6 read my post #21 it's about sexuality 'playa'

#7 ...the fact that you are still stewing about a different discussion a month ago...
#8

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1. Why did you focus on the "racial" element rather than the "sexuality"? If the "sexuality" element was the focus, you could have called it "sexuality BS" rather than "racial BS," but you chose to focus on "race."

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2. You have never used Lavax in any other context other than showing that Prince was not interested in specific issues related to the African-American community. You've never used Lavax to discuss sexuality so your use of it, so far, has always implied a focus on race not sexuality. That's the history of "your" use of the song.

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3. I don't like being call dude, so what up player?

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4. Not trying to hijack this discussion, just commented on your statement of "racial BS" when you could have focused on "sexuality BS." If you wanted to keep the focus on "sexuality," you would have written "sexuality BS."

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5. Don't get mad at me because your words speak for themselves.

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6. Then, you should have said "sexuality BS."

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7. Nope, not stewing at all about a different conversation, just pointing out that with almost every post you make it somehow turns into a way to separate Prince from the African-American community or to infer that Prince's music or legacy has nothing to do with African-American history, struggle, or legacy. I'm hardly mad. In fact, I just like calling you on it because it's fun and hilarious to see to what lengths you go to perpetuate your fantasy of Prince as a non-African American.

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8. Really?...I bet you were up all night thinking of that comeback :^)

Let it go playa

And the reason is Camille mille

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I replied to your comment as soon as I read it so no I was not up all night. you replied @ 3:@23pm I get out of work @ 4 went to the grocery store got home, watered my garden, read it and replied @ 5:26 pm cooked dinner watched some tv

u r not relevantlol

playa

#Under the Cherry Moon oooh 1725topp doesn't see any black people lol

#Under the Cherry Moon 1725topp Prince should not have had a white woman as his love interest

# what does 1725topp think about the gayest black character of the 80s

lets move on, peace

[Edited 6/28/16 19:22pm]

BobGeorge909 said:

This is worse that loudaChris...it's RickDickulous.

lol

JudasLChrist said:

panpac777 said:

I'm not a woman. I'm not a man. I am somethin' that you'd never understand. I think they just don't get the humor in the movie. The comedy between prince Christopher and Jerome bentons character. [Edited 6/24/16 23:41pm]

I think no-one is reading the article.

I don't think so either lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

JudasLChrist said:

I think no-one is reading the article.

I don't think so either lol

I read it a few times, and after this piece: I am a filmmaker who is queer, biracial, Jewish, Rasta, black, yet fully versed in cinema history, I want to ruin all your cinematic experiences going forward as they have been ruined for me. ‘Cause this is what watching gay characters and gay films is like when you’re not white – bereft. And it has scant to do with dreck like Mannequin. In cinema, all the gays are boys, and all the boys are white. None are black. In other words, Prince in Under the Cherry Moon is the gayest black character of the ’80s, and in context of that film, he’s heterosexual.

there is nothing about the article that actually discusses Prince/Christopher Tracy Jerome/Tricky in the movie...

So is he just pandering by using Prince's passing to get attention for his article?

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1725topp said:

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1. Why did you focus on the "racial" element rather than the "sexuality"? If the "sexuality" element was the focus, you could have called it "sexuality BS" rather than "racial BS," but you chose to focus on "race."

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2. You have never used Lavax in any other context other than showing that Prince was not interested in specific issues related to the African-American community. You've never used Lavax to discuss sexuality so your use of it, so far, has always implied a focus on race not sexuality. That's the history of "your" use of the song.

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3. I don't like being call dude, so what up player?

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4. Not trying to hijack this discussion, just commented on your statement of "racial BS" when you could have focused on "sexuality BS." If you wanted to keep the focus on "sexuality," you would have written "sexuality BS."

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5. Don't get mad at me because your words speak for themselves.

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6. Then, you should have said "sexuality BS."

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7. Nope, not stewing at all about a different conversation, just pointing out that with almost every post you make it somehow turns into a way to separate Prince from the African-American community or to infer that Prince's music or legacy has nothing to do with African-American history, struggle, or legacy. I'm hardly mad. In fact, I just like calling you on it because it's fun and hilarious to see to what lengths you go to perpetuate your fantasy of Prince as a non-African American.

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8. Really?...I bet you were up all night thinking of that comeback :^)

Let it go playa

And the reason is Camille mille

you read 1 place where I talked about the song (on the org) and you think you have my whole depth of thought and feeling about the song? Are you serious, I also reference Camille
Almost EVERY post I make... Are you serious...

stop stalking my post playa, cause U lyin... that is called stewing and trolling

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I replied to your comment as soon as I read it so no I was not up all night. you replied @ 3:@23pm I get out of work @ 4 went to the grocery store got home, watered my garden, read it and replied @ 5:26 pm cooked dinner watched some tv

u r not relevantlol

playa

#Under the Cherry Moon oooh 1725topp doesn't see any black people lol

#Under the Cherry Moon 1725topp Prince should not have had a white woman as his love interest

# what does 1725topp think about the gayest black character of the 80s

lets move on, peace

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That's nice, but you still haven't shown a post where you referenced Lavax at any other time than when asserting that Prince was never really concerned with issues specific to the African-American community. That is--when you use Lavax as a metaphor or a reference point, it seems to be when you are attempting to show that Prince never really had any interest in connecting with the African-American community. So, don't get bent out of shape with me 'cause I called you on your "racial BS."

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Yes, other than Prince and Jerome, there are hardly any black people in Under the Cherry Moon of any real significance other than backdrop or stock characters. So, you can post your pics again, but they will all be of backdrop and stock characters. Of course, that may be fine with you because you seem to want a world in which black people are merely backdrop and stock characters. Thus, when you compare two black primary characters with other white primary characters, such as Mary, her father, her mother, Katy, Ms. Wellington, two of the Jaded Three, and the police inspector, then the point stands that there are barely any black people in the film of any real consequence.

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You are lying. I never said that Prince should not have had a white woman as his love interest. I said that it sent a negative message/image about black beauty for Prince, as an African American, to create a film in which two African-American men chase a white woman for an hour and a half and then have his character scared into honesty by a black woman. If you are going to recount what I’ve said, at least tell the truth. See, unlike you, I don’t have a problem standing behind what I’ve said/written.

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I simply noted that if you were so focused about the issue of "sexuality" you would have said "sexuality BS," but instead you said "racial BS." Again, don't be mad at me because your words speak clearly for you.

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Peace player.

[Snip - luv4u]

Connected said:

Who gives a toss what Prince was into - as long as it was consensual...man was a walking erection in his prime

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Again...didn't he already deal with this in '82... "Am I straight or gay?"

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And this was the "gayest" character in the 80s...who wanted to party all the time!

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Biggest closet case of the lot, used homophobia all the time to cover up his own bisexuality. I mean Delirious and Raw are full of gay hating jokes (Fags can't look at me, 24 hour fag watch). Once he was caught having sex with a transexual, Eddie was forced to stop acting like Zip Coon in his movie and do anodyne crap that has killed off his career.

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I used to love EM, but now realise he is just another stereotype (In this case the Steppin Fetchit type coon), has to be streetwise and foulmouthed and shuck and jive for de white man.

1725topp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let it go playa

And the reason is Camille mille

you read 1 place where I talked about the song (on the org) and you think you have my whole depth of thought and feeling about the song? Are you serious, I also reference Camille
Almost EVERY post I make... Are you serious...

stop stalking my post playa, cause U lyin... that is called stewing and trolling

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I replied to your comment as soon as I read it so no I was not up all night. you replied @ 3:@23pm I get out of work @ 4 went to the grocery store got home, watered my garden, read it and replied @ 5:26 pm cooked dinner watched some tv

u r not relevantlol

playa

#Under the Cherry Moon oooh 1725topp doesn't see any black people lol

#Under the Cherry Moon 1725topp Prince should not have had a white woman as his love interest

# what does 1725topp think about the gayest black character of the 80s

lets move on, peace

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That's nice, but you still haven't shown a post where you referenced Lavax at any other time than when asserting that Prince was never really concerned with issues specific to the African-American community. That is--when you use Lavax as a metaphor or a reference point, it seems to be when you are attempting to show that Prince never really had any interest in connecting with the African-American community. So, don't get bent out of shape with me 'cause I called you on your "racial BS."

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Yes, other than Prince and Jerome, there are hardly any black people in Under the Cherry Moon of any real significance other than backdrop or stock characters. So, you can post your pics again, but they will all be of backdrop and stock characters. Of course, that may be fine with you because you seem to want a world in which black people are merely backdrop and stock characters. Thus, when you compare two black primary characters with other white primary characters, such as Mary, her father, her mother, Katy, Ms. Wellington, two of the Jaded Three, and the police inspector, then the point stands that there are barely any black people in the film of any real consequence.

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You are lying. I never said that Prince should not have had a white woman as his love interest. I said that it sent a negative message/image about black beauty for Prince, as an African American, to create a film in which two African-American men chase a white woman for an hour and a half and then have his character scared into honesty by a black woman. If you are going to recount what I’ve said, at least tell the truth. See, unlike you, I don’t have a problem standing behind what I’ve said/written.

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I simply noted that if you were so focused about the issue of "sexuality" you would have said "sexuality BS," but instead you said "racial BS." Again, don't be mad at me because your words speak clearly for you.

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Peace player.

4. The article head is GAYEST BLACK the person was pushing something racial and sexual. Why do I need to defend it to you? This is all clear your swetting me dude, get off the jock, leave the arguement in the other thread. I have my belief and it ain't wrong because you have yours.

[Edited 6/28/16 19:24pm]

Adorecream said:

Oh okay! Should we arrest him for it, because the Beulah hate church takes exception. So sick of these churchified motherfxxkers running the show. Yes he acted camp but camp does not always mean gay. Ever heard of bears, we don't prance around like the pansies you churchy people think we all are. Jeesh is it any wonder I choose to be white rather than Black or Polynesian, educated rational whites are the only people not hung up on gender and sexuality perceptions.

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Oh no Prince may have appeared homosexual acting in the movie, who the fuck cares, is that a fxxken crime in your pie eyed world? I rather imitate a group of people who don't move from one loveless relationship to another producing many offspring along the way like so many of these Jesus loving straight men do.

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The org has really turned into shit lately, MJ thread got shut down because of trolls and baseless rumours about Prince doing this and that are filling up the boards.

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Might be time for an org deluxe, where all dogmatists, gossipers and BLM types are banned and only intelligent musos illing to offer positive and informed opinions are allowed and you must have an approved University degree to join (So diplomas in cheese appreciation and basketball don't count).

thing is the author never really said anything about Christopher Tracy, the article doesn't make sense and probably just using Prince death at this time to get attention.

the MJ thread will be back just too many requests of moderation to deal with at once.

And white's educated to non have probably taken homophobia to the world. not Blacks or Polynesians or Hawaiians or New Guineans or Ugandians

DoItAllNight4U said:

People can say whatever they wanna say about Prince and Under The Cherry Moon but you can't talk shit about his fashion sense, IMO. Prince looked fly as fuck in UTCM

It's intersting that you think the article is 'talking shit'. I don't think that is the case.

darkroman said:

The writer is clearly not an academic writer as he can't differentiate between gay and camp.

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Maybe he should read up on cinema history before writing his article.

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He is actually a film studies professor of some reknown.

OldFriends4Sale said:

So is he just pandering by using Prince's passing to get attention for his article?

He's not pandering, he's a massive Prince fan.

OldFriends4Sale said: