Mumio said:

Mumio said:

rogifan said:

This is another quote from one of Prince's interviews with Tavis Smiley. Who is he referring to when he says "us against them", and when he says "we didn't start a lot of these wars" who is "we"? The United States? A certain race or religion? I need a decoder for some of his more cryptic answers to questions.

Interesting questions Rogifan...does anyone have any answers to them? I'd like to know too.

Also, what was the significance of the stauros vs the cross? Why did he say "someone lied about how someone died"? What did he mean or was trying to point out to everyone? Is this a JW thing? I'd love an answer....I don't really care what religion it comes from, I have no bone to pick over that, I'd just like some understanding.

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I think only P has the answers 2 those question...heck 2 a lot of them actually.

The no Cross is a JW thing (NO I'm not starting something just the truth) which is also why he changed the name and lyrics of "The Cross" 2 "The Christ". He was also quoted as saying the Greek origin of the word "Cross" is "Stauros" and thus took the Stauros definition 2 heart meaning a stake.

This is how JW's believe Jesus died. It's interesting 2 note the spikes are through the wrists NOT the hands like mentioned a million times all over the place elsewhere but whatever. Ultimately the truth is Jesus died in a barbaric act, 4 our sins.

ACharmed1 said:

When I said he was all over the place I mainly meant his belief in so many things. Egyptian studies, eastern studies, astronomy - he loved studying the planets and such and even made a remark in an interview with Egypt about that's why he counts time differently. While every1 of course has a lot of different interests in life, P dug in super deep when something fascinated him, and he wanted 2 get 2 the bottom of the how and why of everything. AKA in search of the truth of it all.
Heck he was even studying the way music and sound effects the brain and why.

OF4S I agree about Morris and find it funny that it kind of bugs him when ppl ask him about P. I mean really if it wasn't 4 P, Morris may not of even had a career. He had to basically beg 2 play with him in high school if I'm not mistaken. And even tho Morris was the frontman 4 The Time P was mastermind and that's the zinger 4 Morris.

Didn't Prince live with Morris's family for a short period?
I know Morris mother 'managed' their band for a bit too?

I also think Morris came from a better family than Prince's too

Mumio said:

Interesting questions Rogifan...does anyone have any answers to them? I'd like to know too.

Also, what was the significance of the stauros vs the cross? Why did he say "someone lied about how someone died"? What did he mean or was trying to point out to everyone? Is this a JW thing? I'd love an answer....I don't really care what religion it comes from, I have no bone to pick over that, I'd just like some understanding.

[Edited 7/22/16 15:19pm]

Thanks for the responses....appreciate it. I hope Bunsterdk sees this and adds her opinion too.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Didn't Prince live with Morris's family for a short period?
I know Morris mother 'managed' their band for a bit too?

I also think Morris came from a better family than Prince's too

I know I remember hearing an interview when P said himself that he stayed at Morris' place 4 only a short time when he was going back and forth. I think it was before he settled in at Andres 4 a while, cuz that ended up being a few years staying at his place wasn't it?

As far as Morris' Mom being their manager if I recall correctly it was that his Mom knew some1 big in the industry but I can't 4 the life of me remember who it was. A musician obviously and it's gonna drive me crazy until I remember.

Bunsterdk said:

LBrent said:

I've always felt the Morris was jealous and resentful of P. Think about it. You're in school together, you think you're handsome, you're taller, you have a nicer home life, you also play instruments, but here's P who surpasses you then hires you to be the human sock puppet while he makes you famous but you know your fame came from P being the Wizard of Oz behind the scenes. I think Morris' ego rebelled and as we can see, he never rose to P's level of celebrity. Maybe he never wanted P's level of certairn, but if he did want it...Ouch [Edited 7/22/16 22:41pm]

Well how he was treated and belittled in ways could contribute to that.
Prince didn't have to treat him and the Time the way he did. I always wince at reading a lot of stuff when it comes to them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

CherryMoon57 said:

LBrent said:

See, here's the thing that I've always realized about THIER relationship, they go back to childhood. We don't know what transpired during that time. If performing with P was such a torturous experience, why didn't they leave sooner? P might have behaved badly, but he didn't force them to stay. So, go out into the big bad world and do your own thing. Oh, couldn't do it? I find it hard to feel sorry for anyone with the same opportunities who whines about their circumstance but doesn't change it.

Yep. If I'm honest here, Morris didn't have the stage pressence 2 pull off a long term career. I don't want that 2 sound mean but it's kinda the truth. I mean here we R decades later and he's STILL performing the same songs P served up 2 him, and continues doing the same schtick with Jerome. Which don't get me wrong, I love seeing them together but can U see them as a super tight funky bandleader/band like P? I can't.

I know P did some crap things 2 them but really like U said LB if it was so bad why not leave? Simple answer: they knew P was their meal ticket. So really they (The Time etc.) used him just the same as P did them

LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well how he was treated and belittled in ways could contribute to that.
Prince didn't have to treat him and the Time the way he did. I always wince at reading a lot of stuff when it comes to them.

See, here's the thing that I've always realized about THIER relationship, they go back to childhood. We don't know what transpired during that time. If performing with P was such a torturous experience, why didn't they leave sooner? P might have behaved badly, but he didn't force them to stay. So, go out into the big bad world and do your own thing. Oh, couldn't do it? I find it hard to feel sorry for anyone with the same opportunities who whines about their circumstance but doesn't change it.

See, here's the thing. I still say 'Prince didn't have to treat them that way' It has no bearing on what you said. What you said is something apart from 'Prince didn't have to treat them that way'

And he did leave. And they were friends and people do go back in forth in relationships.
Cut the pay, removing them from the a leg of the tour, and firing Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis did not help gain the success Prince hoped they would. Sabatoged the worked.

And where did anyone say anyone wining about their circumstances.

ACharmed1 said:

LBrent said:

See, here's the thing that I've always realized about THIER relationship, they go back to childhood. We don't know what transpired during that time. If performing with P was such a torturous experience, why didn't they leave sooner? P might have behaved badly, but he didn't force them to stay. So, go out into the big bad world and do your own thing. Oh, couldn't do it? I find it hard to feel sorry for anyone with the same opportunities who whines about their circumstance but doesn't change it.

Yep. If I'm honest here, Morris didn't have the stage pressence 2 pull off a long term career. I don't want that 2 sound mean but it's kinda the truth. I mean here we R decades later and he's STILL performing the same songs P served up 2 him, and continues doing the same schtick with Jerome. Which don't get me wrong, I love seeing them together but can U see them as a super tight funky bandleader/band like P? I can't.

I know P did some crap things 2 them but really like U said LB if it was so bad why not leave? Simple answer: they knew P was their meal ticket. So really they (The Time etc.) used him just the same as P did them

But Morris did leave...

When you look at the time period & how fast if went from 'the Time 2 Ice Cream Castles' it was a whirlwind.

Morris had his own albums aside from Jerome & the Time he had a bit of a tv acting career etc

And they do do other songs from what Prince gave them.

It still goes back to if you are trying to build a legacy, tear the people who are working hard for you doesn't help it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But Morris did leave...

When you look at the time period & how fast if went from 'the Time 2 Ice Cream Castles' it was a whirlwind.

Morris had his own albums aside from Jerome & the Time he had a bit of a tv acting career etc

And they do do other songs from what Prince gave them.

It still goes back to if you are trying to build a legacy, tear the people who are working hard for you doesn't help it.

All true and valid points and I agree with U. But it's still like without P it didn't workout 4 Morris or Jerome in particular. It does boggle my mind that neither Morris or Jerome didn't have bigger acting careers becuz they really were pretty good, not great but good and room 2 improve. I even remember P making comments on how he thought Jerome was "going places, takes direction well, sees big things in his future".

On the surface 2 me atleast it's like without P they just couldn't push forward but who knows what was happening behind the scenes. I know they perform their own stuff and not just P's, but it's the stuff like The Bird/Jungle Love PR stuff that really drives them I think.

ksgemini63 said:

Give me a break Morris had more presence and talent than Prince. He was afraid of them by his own admission for a reason

Oh? Why?

CherryMoon57 said:

I like this!

ACharmed1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But Morris did leave...

When you look at the time period & how fast if went from 'the Time 2 Ice Cream Castles' it was a whirlwind.

Morris had his own albums aside from Jerome & the Time he had a bit of a tv acting career etc

And they do do other songs from what Prince gave them.

It still goes back to if you are trying to build a legacy, tear the people who are working hard for you doesn't help it.

All true and valid points and I agree with U. But it's still like without P it didn't workout 4 Morris or Jerome in particular. It does boggle my mind that neither Morris or Jerome didn't have bigger acting careers becuz they really were pretty good, not great but good and room 2 improve. I even remember P making comments on how he thought Jerome was "going places, takes direction well, sees big things in his future".

On the surface 2 me atleast it's like without P they just couldn't push forward but who knows what was happening behind the scenes. I know they perform their own stuff and not just P's, but it's the stuff like The Bird/Jungle Love PR stuff that really drives them I think.

Do U think all those bands could have been much bigger and more successful?

Also let's understand the times changed. After the 80s so the market and what was happening even caused Prince to struggle. Prince was never the superstar he was in the 80s. And if it wasn't for that foundational period. Prince would not have been able to enjoy the freedoms he had in the 90s and 2000s. But it definately was the foundational years that made it happen.

Even Prince did not promote most of his 90s 2000s music. Look at the tours set lists. Loaded non stop with 'the Hits'

LBrent said:

They all started on an even playing field. I think P was more focused and had a work ethic and urgency that few could match so they whined...and some left. Celebrity is a byproduct of hard work not the product of "Aren't I talented? I deserve celebrity." Again, if they left because they felt they were such talents, why aren't they successful? Morris is more talented than P? Ok. You win.

Prince was given a playground by WB.
George Clinton in 1998/99 went off about the Slave thing with Prince. He said Prince was the only person he knew who a company bent over backwards to give him just about everything he wanted, whenever he wanted, however he wanted.

Like in the thread about the advice he gave to Shanice. Shanice never came close to having the access of media money and management that Prince had. Not many people do. And most people (even Prince) have a hard time breaking out of a mold.

ksgemini63 said:

Give me a break Morris had more presence and talent than Prince. He was afraid of them by his own admission for a reason

I don't know about the first part, but the 2nd part from admission and action I agree.

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince was given a playground by WB.
George Clinton in 1998/99 went off about the Slave thing with Prince. He said Prince was the only person he knew who a company bent over backwards to give him just about everything he wanted, whenever he wanted, however he wanted.

Like in the thread about the advice he gave to Shanice. Shanice never came close to having the access of media money and management that Prince had. Not many people do. And most people (even Prince) have a hard time breaking out of a mold.

Ok. I'm gonna say this using the best analogy I can think of, but let me make this clear...WHEN I SAY SLAVE, IT CAN BE A SLAVE OF ANY RACE. IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING BLACK. OK. Yes, WB indulged his "every whim", but the argument that he had with them was that the way his contracts were arranged in regards to HIS MASTER MUSIC TAPES made him FEEL as though they were unfair, thus making him a very indulged, very petted SLAVE. Remember, perception is reality. See, on the plantation, not ALL slaveowners beat slaves, raped slaves, spit on slaves, called slaves rude names...Some slaveowners were quite generous and lovely people...BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE SLAVES WERE STILL SLAVES. Even a gilded cage was STILL a CAGE. [Edited 7/24/16 20:14pm]

I was responding to your post. Not talking about being a slave.
Morris Day never had even close the access Prince had.
Compare the two.

Like the advice he gave Shanice. that is the advice of someone who in a contract gave him everything. Everything that allowed him to have a solid foundation and musical history that 20yrs later helped him be successful and know around the world.
How many other artists/musicians/singers could have that same.

LBrent said:

LBrent said:

They all started on an even playing field. I think P was more focused and had a work ethic and urgency that few could match so they whined...and some left. Celebrity is a byproduct of hard work not the product of "Aren't I talented? I deserve celebrity." Again, if they left because they felt they were such talents, why aren't they successful? Morris is more talented than P? Ok. You win.

Who started out on an even playing field?

Most signed artists did not start out on the same playing field Prince did.