Astasheiks said:

" but it is not an accounting of ancient history."

lol...soooo you believe there was a talking snake in the garden? and a burning bush? and Moses parted the red sea?? riiiiiight.

speakeasy said:

speakeasy said:

ksgemini63 said:

Better find out the Masonic origins of the JW and people... Families they have torn apart. They have nothing to do with Christisn or humanistic love and caring. Controlling mindless luciferian cult pure and simple. Best thing that could happen is their headquarters falls into a sinkhole and disappear [Edited 6/25/16 17:36pm]

Whether you agree with or believe in one person's religion--I'm not sure why this kind of bigotry is tolerated on this site. If people said these kinds of things about Jews or an ethnic group, most of us here would be offended.

I don't know much about Jehovah Witnesses--but I would stand up on their behalf just like I would stand up against anyone denigrating another group of people--Jews, People of Color, People of various sexual orientations, etc. A person's religious belief is an incredibly personal thing--and should be respected as such.

We are living in a very difficult time in terms of racism, xenophobia, fear, hatred and violence. These things are tearing our civilization apart. Why not choose love and tolerance? Why not start there? Don't all of our religions or spiritual beliefs at least aspire to those goals?

One needs to know about them, since they could be causing people to spend Eternity downstairs in the Afterlife!!!

What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe? Close scrutiny of their doctrinal position on such subjects as the deity of Christ, salvation, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the atonement shows beyond a doubt that they do not hold to orthodox Christian positions on these subjects. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created being. This contradicts many Scriptures which clearly declare Jesus to be God (John 1:1,14, 8:58, 10:30). Jehovah’s Witnesses believe salvation is obtained by a combination of faith, good works, and obedience. This contradicts countless scriptures which declare salvation to be received by grace through faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, believing Jesus to be a created being and the Holy Spirit to essentially be the inanimate power of God. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the concept of Christ’s substitutionary atonement and instead hold to a ransom theory, that Jesus’ death was a ransom payment for Adam’s sin.

How do the Jehovah’s Witnesses justify these unbiblical doctrines? First, they claim that the church has corrupted the Bible over the centuries; thus, they have re-translated the Bible into what they call the New World Translation. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their false doctrine, rather than basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches. The New World Translation has gone through numerous editions, as the Jehovah’s Witnesses discover more and more Scriptures that contradict their doctrines.

The Watchtower bases its beliefs and doctrines on the original and expanded teachings of Charles Taze Russell, Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford, and their successors. The governing body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the only body in the cult that claims authority to interpret Scripture. In other words, what the governing body says concerning any scriptural passage is viewed as the last word, and independent thinking is strongly discouraged. This is in direct opposition to Paul's admonition to Timothy (and to us as well) to study to be approved by God, so that we need not be ashamed as we correctly handle the Word of God. This admonition, found in 2 Timothy 2:15, is a clear instruction from God to each of His children to be like the Berean Christians, who searched the Scriptures daily to see if the things they were being taught lined up with the Word.

There is probably no religious group that is more faithful than the Jehovah’s Witnesses at getting their message out. Unfortunately, the message is full of distortions, deceptions, and false doctrine. May God open the eyes of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to the truth of the gospel and the true teaching of God’s Word.

Recommended Resources: Reasoning from the Script...Ron Rhodes.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jehovahs-Witnesses.html

I can't remember which interview I heard Prince say this ... and maybe he was joking, but when asked whose birthday is December 25 he said "Nimrod." Was this pure sense of humor or was he trying to say something else? Has anyone come across this interview?

makeadifference said:

Bunsterdk said:

makeadifference said:

I can't remember which interview I heard Prince say this ... and maybe he was joking, but when asked whose birthday is December 25 he said "Nimrod." Was this pure sense of humor or was he trying to say something else? Has anyone come across this interview?

Christmas has pagan origins and the date was used to celebrate solstice way before Christianity began using it to celebrate Jesus. That's what he was referring to. Again I refer to jw.org for more info on this or orgnote as I don't want to clutter this forum with religious debate. Incidentally I knew about the pagan origins way before I spoke to jw the first time as it's basic knowledge here in Denmark.

Ok, thank you ... yes, I've come across info concerning theories behind the origin(s) of Christianity .. will look into how the JW's beliefs relate to that to get a better understanding

makeadifference said:

makeadifference said:

I can't remember which interview I heard Prince say this ... and maybe he was joking, but when asked whose birthday is December 25 he said "Nimrod." Was this pure sense of humor or was he trying to say something else? Has anyone come across this interview?

What U R referring 2 is the Mel B interview.

speakeasy said:

ksgemini63 said:

Better find out the Masonic origins of the JW and people... Families they have torn apart. They have nothing to do with Christisn or humanistic love and caring. Controlling mindless luciferian cult pure and simple. Best thing that could happen is their headquarters falls into a sinkhole and disappear [Edited 6/25/16 17:36pm]

Whether you agree with or believe in one person's religion--I'm not sure why this kind of bigotry is tolerated on this site. If people said these kinds of things about Jews or an ethnic group, most of us here would be offended.

I don't know much about Jehovah Witnesses--but I would stand up on their behalf just like I would stand up against anyone denigrating another group of people--Jews, People of Color, People of various sexual orientations, etc. A person's religious belief is an incredibly personal thing--and should be respected as such.

We are living in a very difficult time in terms of racism, xenophobia, fear, hatred and violence. These things are tearing our civilization apart. Why not choose love and tolerance? Why not start there? Don't all of our religions or spiritual beliefs at least aspire to those goals?

I'm with U on all that, and while it's a wonderful notion that all religions aspire 2 love one another and except each other, I think we all know that isn't the case. Most religions RELI(gion) on fear mongering to some degree. It's sad to say but fear keeps ppl in check -just look at how govn't's are ran. We all have our own beliefs which we think is right, 1 huge thing I have a problem with is any religion that seeks to intentionally belittle/berate others in their beliefs. Playing mind games and little parlor games that seek to humiliate/upset/insult others is not acceptable. We've all heard the stories where P did these things with of course who else by his side but Larry Graham. NO just all kinds of NO. Also IDK of any other religion where when someone leaves and has stories about some horrifying abuse or something that was going on they are then marked "mentally unstable" and YES this does happen. I'm starting to wonder if JW's get a commission every time they pluck the JW web site cuz some of ya'll be making bank by now.

benni said:

"What was The Truth according to Prince?"

Love4OneAnother

Love

Simply that

THIS. 1 huge thing U forgot tho benni...GOD. I think the problem with saying GOD is ppl want U to pick sides so to speak, that's when things go down hill.

ACharmed1 said:

ACharmed1 said:

benni said:

"What was The Truth according to Prince?"

Love4OneAnother

Love

Simply that

THIS. 1 huge thing U forgot tho benni...GOD. I think the problem with saying GOD is ppl want U to pick sides so to speak, that's when things go down hill.

Love is God, God is Love. Boys and girls love God above. (I never forget God.)

makeadifference said:

I can't remember which interview I heard Prince say this ... and maybe he was joking, but when asked whose birthday is December 25 he said "Nimrod." Was this pure sense of humor or was he trying to say something else? Has anyone come across this interview?

yes that was the interview with Mel B- he said Nimrods birthday- and he is correct. what you people dont seem to get is, all you know is what youve been told- and that aint much. he opened his mind to the possiblitiy that what we have been told was bunk and he set to finding the truth. its out there if you choose to seek it. the Nimrod reference is just this- the story stays the same the only thing that changes are the names...

http://mystery-babylon.org/christmas.html

warhorse said:

makeadifference said:

I can't remember which interview I heard Prince say this ... and maybe he was joking, but when asked whose birthday is December 25 he said "Nimrod." Was this pure sense of humor or was he trying to say something else? Has anyone come across this interview?

yes that was the interview with Mel B- he said Nimrods birthday- and he is correct. what you people dont seem to get is, all you know is what youve been told- and that aint much. he opened his mind to the possiblitiy that what we have been told was bunk and he set to finding the truth. its out there if you choose to seek it. the Nimrod reference is just this- the story stays the same the only thing that changes are the names...

http://mystery-babylon.org/christmas.html

actually this is a better summation:

http://www.annomundi.com/bible/christmas.htm

ACharmed1 said:

ksgemini63 said:

ACharmed1 said:

I'm with U on all that, and while it's a wonderful notion that all religions aspire 2 love one another and except each other, I think we all know that isn't the case. Most religions RELI(gion) on fear mongering to some degree. It's sad to say but fear keeps ppl in check -just look at how govn't's are ran. We all have our own beliefs which we think is right, 1 huge thing I have a problem with is any religion that seeks to intentionally belittle/berate others in their beliefs. Playing mind games and little parlor games that seek to humiliate/upset/insult others is not acceptable. We've all heard the stories where P did these things with of course who else by his side but Larry Graham. NO just all kinds of NO. Also IDK of any other religion where when someone leaves and has stories about some horrifying abuse or something that was going on they are then marked "mentally unstable" and YES this does happen. I'm starting to wonder if JW's get a commission every time they pluck the JW web site cuz some of ya'll be making bank by now.

I guess my opinions were filled with what some call bigotry because I know two abuse victims and one death from not allowed a transfusion. Same for catholic priests that a use I WAS Catholic but their complicity in abuse is lessening but still abominable JW as many like Westboro Baptist often preach intolerance themselves. This all has nothing to do with Jesus it is evil being evil. Prince was drawn into a cult pure and simple

lol...all religions are cults. worse yet even statism is a religion- what is the first thing you learn to do once you start to school? the PLEDGE of ALLEGIENCE you are pledging to the state! do you really think anything has changed in the past 2000 years? look at the golden calf...and then look at the wall street bull. uh no same story only the names change...

Bunsterdk said:

ACharmed1 said:

I'm starting to wonder if JW's get a commission every time they pluck the JW web site cuz some of ya'll be making bank by now.

ROFL Thanks for that laugh, ACharmed. Yeah, that would be nice. It is only necessary because others keep presenting misinformation here. So you bring it on yourselves, I'm afraid. And I really do think you should try imitating Jesus and look for the good in others. It makes for a much happier life. Hope you can find peace with whatever bugs you, friend.

Oh don't thank me JW lend plenty of ammunition 4 a good chuckle.

Let's be real here 'friend' it isn't just here U have to constantly explain JW doctrine/beliefs. It's everywhere the world over all the time. When that keeps happening ever since the inception of something -no matter what it is, it raises red flags and 4 good reason. In a way I feel bad 4 JW's becuz they spend so much time and energy trying to find ways to explain or defend their beliefs.

Such energy could be used more effeciently elsewhere but then again U bring it on Urselves.

As far as imitating Jesus, I always have him and God in my heart and try to following their teachings. I am only human tho. This is what really strikes me as insulting when JW's wanna pull this on ppl. When others don't agree or question U, the 1st thing to do is insult and attack. But then follow it up with some condescending remark about finding peace or happiness. Thank U 4 showing classic JW behavior.

The Truth is the 21st full length studio album by Prince.

ksgemini63 said:

I guess my opinions were filled with what some call bigotry because I know two abuse victims and one death from not allowed a transfusion. Same for catholic priests that a use I WAS Catholic but their complicity in abuse is lessening but still abominable JW as many like Westboro Baptist often preach intolerance themselves. This all has nothing to do with Jesus it is evil being evil. Prince was drawn into a cult pure and simple

Oh I didn't take it as bigotry at all, just as some1 who is obviously passionate in Ur beliefs on a vast range of very important topics. Like I said I agree with U on a lot of what U said, and I 1 million % agree with on everything in bold that U said. I too know abuse victims, and an innocent baby that isn't in this world over some dudes own whacked out ideals, that he decided to turn into a "faith". I grew up with a lot of JW's, I saw 1st hand how dark and cruel they are, and no amount of spin or trying to say it's God's law is ever going to make it right or true. But that's MY opinion I respect the right they have to believe in what they want, I do not however respect what they teach and believe. Just as they can say the same of me. I can let it go at that, but when U say something like that to a JW they like and enjoy ripping into ppl.

Bunsterdk said:

I'm not defending anything, but I do feel it is only fair to those interested in facts to direct them to jw.org where they can get the actual facts. And I trust that my fellow orgers are capable of making their own minds up without me telling them what to think about other religions. Or mine. I have that respect for them. And I am sincere in my hope that you find peace and move on from whatever has made you this upset. There are only imperfect human beings in any religion and we do sometimes say and do things that we shouldn't. Don't let the shortcomings of others eat you up. It's not worth it. Have a great day and thanks for the chat here. [Edited 7/3/16 5:12am]

U may wanna look up the definition of defend becuz that is indeed what U R doing, but seeing as how it's Ur belief system I can't fault U 4 that. Just as U are defending JW others here are defending and speaking up for their beliefs. We're allowed to do that.

jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org jw.org

Will that get me atleast 20 bucks? I got my eye on a nice piece of vinyl at the wrecka stow...

I must say U aren't very intuitive. I'm not upset over a darn thing. IDK know where U got that impression I haven't been typing in caps, I haven't made the !!!!!!!! my best friend when typing. But like I said knowing as many JW's as I do I know this be a technique used. It is funny to me however U keep adding more to that in saying the "shortcomings eat U up" I know that's a dig at me and quite frankly I could care less, I'll be like Jesus and turn the other cheek. Ur doing what U've been taught. Also in saying things like that repetedly it says more about U and Ur mindset than it does me. To jump to a conclusion of such, well I expect it.

I agree, we say or do things we shouldn't but I haven't exhibited any of that kind of behavior. It's called an open forum. It's obvious we don't and never will see eye to eye. That's ok. We're all on the highway of life, I have my lane and mine is lightyears from Urs. I'll stay in my lane if U stay in Urs. I will offer U up 1 piece of advice and I'll underline it so it's easy to follow: I've seen U do this several times here and U did it with me - Don't act or insinuate that U R an insider or personally knew Prince. U pulled that with me when U went on a whole tangent U said "I won't go into the details of how I know this was his hope". When I called U out on this U revealed the reason U "know" w/e it is U think U know is that U saw this YT clip of OTHER ppl talking ABOUT him. In doing that little stunt, it let me and it should let others know exactly how U R. Having view points on him or talking about something that is official or came out in print is 1 thing. But the poor man didn't have much privacy try as he might when he was alive. Don't stir the pot by insinuations, or hearsay now that he isn't here. BTW I think TMZ is hiring.

With that said I end any discussion with U. No disrespect, I just recognize fruitlessness.

warhorse said:

ksgemini63 said:

ACharmed1 said: I guess my opinions were filled with what some call bigotry because I know two abuse victims and one death from not allowed a transfusion. Same for catholic priests that a use I WAS Catholic but their complicity in abuse is lessening but still abominable JW as many like Westboro Baptist often preach intolerance themselves. This all has nothing to do with Jesus it is evil being evil. Prince was drawn into a cult pure and simple

lol...all religions are cults. worse yet even statism is a religion- what is the first thing you learn to do once you start to school? the PLEDGE of ALLEGIENCE you are pledging to the state! do you really think anything has changed in the past 2000 years? look at the golden calf...and then look at the wall street bull. uh no same story only the names change...

yep.

Did that '1' fall off my username again? Damn it some1 hand me the superglue, I'll glue the mother on! I could have sworn my username was "ACharmed1". Weird. I guess that's the result of ppl seeing and reading only what they want 2.

[Edited 7/3/16 7:26am]

ACharmed1 said:

warhorse said:

ksgemini63 said:

ACharmed1 said: I guess my opinions were filled with what some call bigotry because I know two abuse victims and one death from not allowed a transfusion. Same for catholic priests that a use I WAS Catholic but their complicity in abuse is lessening but still abominable JW as many like Westboro Baptist often preach intolerance themselves. This all has nothing to do with Jesus it is evil being evil. Prince was drawn into a cult pure and simple

lol...all religions are cults. worse yet even statism is a religion- what is the first thing you learn to do once you start to school? the PLEDGE of ALLEGIENCE you are pledging to the state! do you really think anything has changed in the past 2000 years? look at the golden calf...and then look at the wall street bull. uh no same story only the names change...

yep.

CROWNS1 said:

ksgemini63 said:

yep.

[/quote Yup agreed I just don't personally know anyone else whose child died bc of doctrine. Pass on JW.org thanks before it is recommended