ACharmed1 said:

Again speaking of such things is ON TOPIC IN THIS THREAD. If it makes U feel better to think U're correcting me, then

Bunsterdk said:

Members of his congregation explained that he himself expressed that he hoped to live here on earth, not in heaven. Maybe it's still on YouTube.

Looked for this video youtube and found this man's Truth about Prince and JW

What is the Truth?

Bunsterdk said:

ACharmed1 said:

Bunsterdk said:

It is easier to understand the NWT translation that can be found at jw.org, but I wanted to show this in a non-JW translation. King James is the most widely used IIRC. Prince showed that his hope for the future was everlasting life (everlasting now) right here on earth. He was expecting to be resurrected here on earth in the flesh as himself (Check the lyrics of 4ever). I won't go into the details of how I know this was his hope, but this was something he showed the congregation based on his relationship with God. We all reveal our hope once a year at the annual Memorial for Jesus Christ (yes, we believe in him too, contrary to false rumours). And I fail to see how directing people to jw.org for the actual facts about what JW believe can be fishy. Would you suggest people go to National Enquirer for reliable info on Prince? Hopefully not. Same with any subject. Go to the source, find out the facts and make your own decisions. Basing anything on bogus info is just plain silly when the facts are right there. Prince was a grown man of pretty high intelligence making his own decisions in life and didn't need the approval of any of us. We may not personally like everything he did and agree with every decision, but pretending that he was some feeble-minded individual incapable of making his own decisions in life is extremely disrespectful to him as a person. Sorry this got a bit long, but it was obviously necessary to explain the above further. Other than that I do still refer to jw.org as I believe in having the facts before you criticise something. I'm kinda old school like that. (And actual debates on religion probably don't belong here, so I hope we can agree to take any detailed discussions to the proper forum and keep this thread clear?)

Pointing out that "It's easier" to understand the JW translation don't fly with me. I put my faith in the actual Bible as it was written, I do not put my faith in a book some dude cherry picked verses of the Bible and decided to make up a new religion based on HIS ideals. And while I appreciate U taking the time to type; or in this case more than likely copy and paste ready fire answers, all I said was "enlighten me" on the fact U said no 1 is telling any 1 who can and can not go to heaven when it's clear JW preach ONLY 144,000 will go to heaven. It's also clear the 144,000 the JW speak of are the 'elder's' of their belief. The fact that U go on a whole tangent about everything else, well that's classic JW spin. Comparing the National Enquirer to knowledge of spiritual beliefs? Now, obviously U wanna play the "I can't say how I know what I know, but believe me I know" game. I'm not impressed and I don't play that game. If U personally knew P, keep it private -don't try to use that as some sort of currency, for whatever reason. The reason I said it's fishy in having to direct ppl to a website on faith related subject matter is JW are pretty much reliant on doing this becuz their faith is not easily understood. In fact I can't think of another faith the world over where they can't quite explain it. Be it, Christianity, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhism, or anything else; while some may have a rite or what have U that isn't immediately understood, generally speaking 1 can walk away from someone of any of those beliefs with a clear understanding of their faith. On the matter that P wasn't some feeble-minded so & so? Excuse me, but where did I say or imply such a thing? NEVER put words in another's mouth, U are rude and disrespectful in doing that to me. As far as this being a debate and keeping this thread clear, I simply made a statement in an open forum related to the topic at hand and U turned it into a Watchtower sermon. Don't play the martyr in this, and don't presume to tell ppl to keep the thread clear for what U deem as worthy. The OP is trying to understand what P saw as the truth in various religous aspects and in his life in general. I mean no offense in Ur beliefs nor did I insult or disrespect U by putting words in Ur mouth, I'd expect U to do the same to others here.

Members of his congregation explained that he himself expressed that he hoped to live here on earth, not in heaven. Maybe it's still on YouTube. He expressed this clearly to them less than a month before he died.

That's how I know. And to me it is a beautiful thought that he'll have music forever.

I wasn't actually talking to you specifically with my comments on Prince as a grown man worthy of our respect. It's a recurring theme here that poor little Prince was tricked by evil Larry and it is quite frankly amusing when you think about the kind of man Prince was.

I'm sorry that you don't approve of the (Catholic?) King James translation. You can look the scriptures up in your preferred translation and by all means read the context. Always good, but too long to post here.

Feel free to disagree with my faith or his all you want. But that is not the topic here and I kindly suggest that we keep this on topic for the Prince: Music and More forum.
[Edited 6/27/16 4:17am]

rogifan said:

I was released-watching Prince's interview with Tavis Smiley. Towards the end of the interview Prince said he was more spiritual than political and what he was most interested in was the truth and why people aren't adhering to it. So what exactly is the truth according to Prince? Is it a specific bible passage? Or specific tenants of the JW faith? Or something else?

"Somebody lied about the way that somebody died."

Christ was on the staurus and not the cross.

He found a very deep truth in that.

schbobby said:

Bunsterdk said:

Members of his congregation explained that he himself expressed that he hoped to live here on earth, not in heaven. Maybe it's still on YouTube.

Looked for this video youtube and found this man's Truth about Prince and JW

What is the Truth?

I can't even wth this dude right now.

Does he know rumor-mongering is against the bible?

ACharmed1 said:

ACharmed1 said:

rogifan said:

It seems as though Prince was a very devout JW. But he became very close with his drummer Hannah Ford Welton and her husband Josh. They are devout Christians. Josh said when he first met Prince they spent 2 hours in his kitchen talking about Jesus and the bible. Prince also said that was one of the reasons they got on so well. Makes me wonder if their faith rubbed off on Prince at all. Was he a JW because he really believed in all their teachings or was it more a case of him needing/wanting some kind of religion in his life and he chose JW because of his close friendship with Larry Graham?

Really? Did Josh say that in an interview? I know he and Hannah are all about Jesus. My hope is that, they were rubbing off on him. Larry Graham I seriously feel that guy picked at cracks in P's psyche and used him. I know I'll get ppl blasting me but seriously what kind of man picks his whole family up and let's another man buy his home? 1 of MANY things that's just wrong/weird about Larry. Ultimately P is his own man, but if U have a wolf in sheeps clothing constantly in Ur ear it's gonna effect Ur judgement. Also P's Mom was a 7th day adventist, while P admittedly said he got nothing out of that experience except the choir, 7th day adventist are an end of days type religion, it's possible he felt something familiar with JW becuz of that.

You Hit the Nail on The Head, Right There with those analysis/statements!!!

schbobby said:

Prince was a thoughtful, mature, intelligent man and nobody's fool. And he was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The link below describes what Jehovah's Witnesses believe... this is what *he* considered to be the truth about God and the Bible:

https://www.jw.org/en/jeh...esses/faq/

I'm happy to answer any questions you may have; I've been a Witness for 38 years. I'm not here to convert, either - but it's good to go to a source for information rather than a critic with an agenda to deter.

I don't think many here would consider someone who has expressed disdain for Prince as a person or his music to be an accurate source for information about him. Likewise, researching what Prince believed rather than how others feel about what he believed seems to make the most sense. To me, anyway...

Hopefully Josh and Hannah brought him back to True Christainity and out of the cult Uhope and all other JWs participate in!

No, he was an active Jehovah's Witness - a Christian - when he died. There was a memorial service held for him at his congregation.

Thanks for your concern, though!

[Edited 6/28/16 14:19pm]

So you in your Signature you say "Go to the source: http://www.jw.org/en"

So on your on Jw.org

What does the Bible say?

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20091101/myth-the-wicked-suffer-in-hell/

A direct contradiction from The King James Bible.

The Expert on the Afterlife
From a historical perspective, no credible scholar disputes the life of Jesus of Nazareth. There is no debate about His teachings or the fact that He reportedly did miraculous things, and there is universal agreement that He was put to death by crucifixion under the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate. Jesus went to the wall of death and through to the other side.

The resurrection puts Jesus in a place of being the sole authority and witness able to answer the question, “Is there an afterlife?” And what does He have to say? Christ makes three basic statements about the subject of life after death:

1. There is an afterlife.
2. When a person dies, there are two different eternities to which he/she may go.
3. There is a way to ensure a positive experience after death.

First, Christ most certainly affirms there is an afterlife in a number of biblical passages. For example, in an encounter with the Sadducees, who denied the teaching of resurrection, Christ rebuked them by saying, “Regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken" (Mark 12:26-27). Jesus clearly told them that those who had died centuries before were very much alive with God at that moment.

In another passage, Jesus comforts His disciples (and us) by telling them specifically that they can look forward to being with Him in heaven: “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. And you know the way where I am going” (John 14:1-4).

The Afterlife - Two Eternal Destinies
Jesus also speaks authoritatively about what types of destinies await every person who dies: one with God and one without God. In Luke’s account of the rich man and Lazarus, Jesus says, “Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:22–23). One aspect of the story worth noting is that there is no intermediate state for those who die; they go directly to their eternal destiny. As the writer of Hebrews says, “It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment" (Hebrews 9:27).

Jesus speaks about the two final destinies again when He is confronted by the religious leaders in John: “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment” (John 5:25-29). Christ restates the matter very plainly in Matthew when He says, “These [unbelievers] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matthew 25:46).

http://www.gotquestions.org/afterlife.html

[Edited 6/28/16 16:59pm]

I'm not going to argue with you Astasheiks. It's well known how you feel about Jehovah's Witnesses and your feelings are strong. I can respect that.

However, you were not the one asking about what the Truth was, according to Prince. The information I provided will shed light on what he considered to be truth. If rogifan is still interested, he/she will find it on jw.org.

Cheers,

u.

[Edited 6/28/16 17:12pm]

Uhope said:

rogifan said:

ACharmed1 said:

I can't find that interview on line anymore but here's another one from Josh: http://www.ebony.com/ente...erview-111

EBONY: Since meeting Prince, what’s been the highlight of your relationship with him? JW: Well, like you said, it’s the relationship. I think more than we actually make music, we converse with one another, build each other up. I’m a firm believer in Christ and so is he. And so that’s why those first nine months I wasn’t working, him and I connected on that, like, dopely. It was boom, right there. Before anything else, that’s my brother. And I think the relationship, to me, is the most treasured thing. [Prince phones from another studio, and arrives to say a few words.]

Ah, ok thanks for that, now I remember what U R referring to.

ksgemini63 said:

To say Prince strictly adhered to JW doctrine is silly. The pineal gland/ 3rd eye/ chakra/ reincarnation/ akashic records/ references abound he was moving up and on

I agree. I'd say P pretty much followed whatever it was that interested him, but possibly out of fear of fully leaving JW or whatever his reason may have been he stayed. Maybe the thought of being shunned scared him. The whole Gemini/astro belief also goes against JW teachings. It certainly looks as though he was shying away from the strict teachings compared to when he was a new convert. Plus I think JW were more than happy to turn a blind eye in letting him do what he wanted cuz let's be real here; it's PRINCE he gave them some serious PR. Astasheiks GET ON IT!! Taking it to real church up in here! I just have to point out again... ask a Christian or Catholic where their belief lies BIBLE, ask a person of Jewish faith HEBREW BIBLE or TORAH, Muslim, KORAN, so on and so on. No one else finds it odd what's supposed to be religious faith redirects to a website? Then again when JW was established in the 18th cent. I guess it's natural? I hope Ur getting some insight rogifan, for all the bickering and difference of opinions this topic certainly makes for lively conversation.

ksgemini63 said:

Uhope said:

I'm not going to argue with you Astasheiks. It's well known how you feel about Jehovah's Witnesses and your feelings are strong. I can respect that.

However, you were not the one asking about what the Truth was, according to Prince. The information I provided will shed light on what he considered to be truth. If rogifan is still interested, he/she will find it on jw.org.

Cheers,

u.

[Edited 6/28/16 17:12pm]

To say Prince strictly adhered to JW doctrine is silly. The pineal gland/ 3rd eye/ chakra/ reincarnation/ akashic records/ references abound he was moving up and on

You are so right ksgemini63. Seriously, how was this tolerated by the JW? Any other JW would be shunned. It's all so hypocritical.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

I was released-watching Prince's interview with Tavis Smiley. Towards the end of the interview Prince said he was more spiritual than political and what he was most interested in was the truth and why people aren't adhering to it. So what exactly is the truth according to Prince? Is it a specific bible passage? Or specific tenants of the JW faith? Or something else?

its a lot of something else- in a nutshell it is the realisation that everything yu think you know about your world, your country, your history, and your life is a blatant lie. You have been taught to be a good little slave, dont rock the boat, dont buck the sytem, do as your told and work. Anyone who believes that there is no such thing as Illuminati is a fool. there ARE 13 families that control everything and above that is the Vatican. the vatican owns everything and everyone- you know why? because no one rebutted it! it is a maxim of law- "an unrebutted claim stands as truth." I have researched all of this for 9 years and I deal in facts. not he said she said blog sites. and THAT is the truth. george Carlin summed it up perfectly. and make no mistake george was a very astute man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0

I believe he was a JW at the end but I think he was more relaxed about his faith as far as pushing it into others faces and pushing people out of his life that weren't JW's.

I never liked that he became a JW (my problem, my issues) but I really liked the Prince I saw over the last ten years so if his faith gave him peace who am I to say anything negative about it

so what was the TRUTH according to Prince? JW with a splash of L4OA!

warhorse said:

rogifan said:

I was released-watching Prince's interview with Tavis Smiley. Towards the end of the interview Prince said he was more spiritual than political and what he was most interested in was the truth and why people aren't adhering to it. So what exactly is the truth according to Prince? Is it a specific bible passage? Or specific tenants of the JW faith? Or something else?

its a lot of something else- in a nutshell it is the realisation that everything yu think you know about your world, your country, your history, and your life is a blatant lie. You have been taught to be a good little slave, dont rock the boat, dont buck the sytem, do as your told and work. Anyone who believes that there is no such thing as Illuminati is a fool. there ARE 13 families that control everything and above that is the Vatican. the vatican owns everything and everyone- you know why? because no one rebutted it! it is a maxim of law- "an unrebutted claim stands as truth." I have researched all of this for 9 years and I deal in facts. not he said she said blog sites. and THAT is the truth. george Carlin summed it up perfectly. and make no mistake george was a very astute man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0

Rodeoschro(sp? not sure but close enough)...Doesn't think there is a Illuminati...

When you say above that is the Vatican, hhhmm, makes sense and scary. If you are right, I bet they will use their power to run things as written in Revelation....

Astasheiks said:

warhorse said:

its a lot of something else- in a nutshell it is the realisation that everything yu think you know about your world, your country, your history, and your life is a blatant lie. You have been taught to be a good little slave, dont rock the boat, dont buck the sytem, do as your told and work. Anyone who believes that there is no such thing as Illuminati is a fool. there ARE 13 families that control everything and above that is the Vatican. the vatican owns everything and everyone- you know why? because no one rebutted it! it is a maxim of law- "an unrebutted claim stands as truth." I have researched all of this for 9 years and I deal in facts. not he said she said blog sites. and THAT is the truth. george Carlin summed it up perfectly. and make no mistake george was a very astute man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0

Rodeoschro(sp? not sure but close enough)...Doesn't think there is a Illuminati...

When you say above that is the Vatican, hhhmm, makes sense and scary. If you are right, I bet they will use their power to run things as written in Revelation....

Why do you think we have systematically been LED AWAY from the Bible? an no it was never meant to be taken in a literal sense, it is all written in parable. its all symbolism. The Bible is many things,- a science book, a biology book, a law book- but it is not an accounting of ancient history. all of the stories are encrypted. Look up Bill Donahue on YT. he is a pastor the understands and deciphers the meanings. he will blow your mind.

" but it is not an accounting of ancient history."

warhorse said:

"What was The Truth according to Prince?"

Love4OneAnother

Love

Simply that

ksgemini63 said:

Better find out the Masonic origins of the JW and people... Families they have torn apart. They have nothing to do with Christisn or humanistic love and caring. Controlling mindless luciferian cult pure and simple. Best thing that could happen is their headquarters falls into a sinkhole and disappear [Edited 6/25/16 17:36pm]

Whether you agree with or believe in one person's religion--I'm not sure why this kind of bigotry is tolerated on this site. If people said these kinds of things about Jews or an ethnic group, most of us here would be offended.

I don't know much about Jehovah Witnesses--but I would stand up on their behalf just like I would stand up against anyone denigrating another group of people--Jews, People of Color, People of various sexual orientations, etc. A person's religious belief is an incredibly personal thing--and should be respected as such.

We are living in a very difficult time in terms of racism, xenophobia, fear, hatred and violence. These things are tearing our civilization apart. Why not choose love and tolerance? Why not start there? Don't all of our religions or spiritual beliefs at least aspire to those goals?

Getting deep in here

I was born into a Catholic home. I no longer go to church, but I still consider myself to be of the faith. I do not consider the Bible to be the end all and be all of life. It was written by humans, and I don't answer to any human for my spiritual well-being. I try to live by The Golden Rule. I have a very hard time accepting any faith which does not believe in equality for all. It is my understanding that Prince changed his opinion on equality regarding Wendy and Lisa, but he also made a comment on Arsenio about "dudes" trying to touch/bump into him - he didn't like it. I simply hope he is in Heaven. He should be.