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Thread started 06/21/16 3:58am

batman89

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Greatest album never released?

What do you consider the greatest album that Prince never released? OR...Alternate configuration/ version of a released album.

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Reply #1 posted 06/21/16 5:02am

gilliaj

For me, it would probably be Dream Factory. Because it was the Revolution at their creative peak, and it was their most collaborative effort. SOTT is amazing and may be my favorite album, and yet I think DF could have topped it.
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Reply #2 posted 06/21/16 5:05am

Guitarhero

Roadhouse Garden and The Dream factory too. cool

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Reply #3 posted 06/21/16 5:22am

TwiliteKid

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Guitarhero said:

Roadhouse Garden and The Dream factory too. cool



There are no known track lists for Roadhouse Garden. How is it your favourite?
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Reply #4 posted 06/21/16 5:25am

Guitarhero

TwiliteKid said:

Guitarhero said:

Roadhouse Garden and The Dream factory too. cool

There are no known track lists for Roadhouse Garden. How is it your favourite?

Am guessing it will be great because it's with the revolution and someone in his former band/associates said it was great so am hoping and guessing they are right. If it even gets a release. So you right i should of said this in my first comment.

[Edited 6/21/16 5:27am]

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Reply #5 posted 06/21/16 6:47am

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When Prince was working the Gold and Come albums, he had a lot of songs that where club mix. Man, if the Versace Mix is any indication, then Come would have been a dance club riot. So, I say the lost mixes between those two albums.

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Reply #6 posted 06/21/16 6:48am

ksgemini63

Guitarhero said:



TwiliteKid said:


Guitarhero said:

Roadhouse Garden and The Dream factory too. cool



There are no known track lists for Roadhouse Garden. How is it your favourite?

Am guessing it will be great because it's with the revolution and someone in his former band/associates said it was great so am hoping and guessing they are right. If it even gets a release. So you right i should of said this in my first comment.


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I too would love to have both dream factory and roadhouse garden because I love the 83-87 period the most. I have heard two configurations of dream factory and if they r close to what would have been released then I'll go with that until roadhouse is leaked...which I find unlikely any time soon.
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Reply #7 posted 06/21/16 6:53am

purplepolitici
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The Flesh n Madhouse 24 og music
For all time I am with you, you are with me.
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Reply #8 posted 06/21/16 7:00am

PurpleColossus

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Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic 1989

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Reply #9 posted 06/21/16 7:43am

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Crystal Ball vol. II

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Reply #10 posted 06/21/16 7:45am

rob1965

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TwiliteKid said:

Guitarhero said:

Roadhouse Garden and The Dream factory too. cool



There are no known track lists for Roadhouse Garden. How is it your favourite?


This is believed to be (a part of) the tracklist:

Roadhouse Garden
Witness 4 The Prosecution
Splash
All My Dreams
In A Large Room With No Light
Empty Room
Wonderful Ass
'Liberate My Mind'
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Reply #11 posted 06/21/16 7:52am

ksgemini63

rob1965 said:

TwiliteKid said:



There are no known track lists for Roadhouse Garden. How is it your favourite?


This is believed to be (a part of) the tracklist:

Roadhouse Garden
Witness 4 The Prosecution
Splash
All My Dreams
In A Large Room With No Light
Empty Room
Wonderful Ass

Aren't some of these dream factory alternates or out takes ?
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Reply #12 posted 06/21/16 7:54am

TrivialPursuit

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TwiliteKid said:

Guitarhero said:

Roadhouse Garden and The Dream factory too. cool

There are no known track lists for Roadhouse Garden. How is it your favourite?


I agree with the sentiment on this - Roadhouse Garden is a Revolution album we all wanted to hear when it was brought to attention with Kurt Loder (among other places). I don't have to know the track list to know I'd wanna hear it. And if the two songs we do know of are any indication, it would have been a great album.

We've heard pretty much everything from that record, and I'd argue that Sign O The Times is still better, because it feels more focused. The same goes for Crystal Ball. They're both wonderful hodge podges of music, but SOTT did come out being superior, at least. lol

I really think the greatest Prince album has probably yet to be released. There are things we don't even know about, or have an inkling of, that are sitting there, and might see the light of day, and send us to places we've never been before.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #13 posted 06/21/16 7:57am

rob1965

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Yes. All My Dreams appeared on Charade for instance.
I also believe there are a lot of tracks that were issued under a different title after some minor alterations/remixes of the original recordings. Some were written years earlier before release (or no release). And then there are those who are simply not interesting enough to be released. The fact they weren't has mostly a good reason: lack of quality.
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'Liberate My Mind'
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Reply #14 posted 06/21/16 8:04am

Noodled24

Rave (89) - Great tracklist.

The Dawn (93) - This would have been an absolute monster of an album.

PrinceVault.com Said:
The Dawn
is an unreleased album by SymbolSmallerBlue.png, and was worked on in late 1993 for possible release in 1994. The triple-album combined tracks which had been previously included on 1993 configurations of Come, along with tracks that would later be released on The Gold Experience and Chaos And Disorder along with various NPG Operator segues, although the exact tracklist is not known.

Given Prince's history of using the term "the dawn" as a milestone or a finishing point (often writing "May U live 2 see the dawn" at the end of album or movie credits), it appeared that he viewed this as an important piece of work; his magnum opus (in the same way he has often used the term "the grand progression". It is possible, although unverified, that The Dawn, in one form or another, is a project Prince continues to return to over time; after the tracks included on this album were released, SymbolSmallerBlue.png worked on another album titled The Dawn in 1996 and 1997 (see here for details).

Tracks that may have been included on the album include Come, Endorphinmachine, Space, Pheromone, Loose!, Papa, Dark, Dolphin, Poem, Race, Strays Of The World, What's My Name, Interactive, Solo, Zannalee, The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, Now, Ripopgodazippa, Shy, Gold, Strawberries, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, Chaos And Disorder, Right The Wrong, Acknowledge Me, Listen 2 The Rhythm (later renamed The Rhythm Of Your ♥), Hide The Bone, Love 4 1 Another (later renamed New World) and Days Of Wild.

Other tracks not included on any configuration of Come, The Gold Experience or Chaos And Disorder that may have been considered for inclusion here include Dream, Laurianne, Dance Of Desperation, I Wanna Be Held 2 Night, Emotional Crucifixion, The Ride, Poorgoo, Calhoun Square, It's About That Walk, Slave 2 The Funk.

Given that SymbolSmallerBlue.png worked on the album following the release of The Hits / The B-Sides compilations, it is likely that Pope was not included. All tracks listed here are speculative, however.


Beautiful Strange (98/99) : Because I want to hear Prince's version of this:


"They say as a child I appeared a little bit wild
With all my crazy ideas
But I knew what was happenin', I knew I was a genius
What's so strange when you know that you're a wizard at three?
I knew that this was meant to be"

Might just be the best Prince lyric he never wrote.

[Edited 6/21/16 8:08am]

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Reply #15 posted 06/21/16 8:05am

TrivialPursuit

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rob1965 said:

Yes. All My Dreams appeared on Charade for instance.
I also believe there are a lot of tracks that were issued under a different title after some minor alterations/remixes of the original recordings. Some were written years earlier before release (or no release). And then there are those who are simply not interesting enough to be released. The fact they weren't has mostly a good reason: lack of quality.


Uhhh, you realize Charade was a bootleg of Parade outtakes, right?

Not true at all. There are plenty of great songs Prince never released, some of which we've heard. Others of which he's mentioned. "I didn't always give the record company the best songs". Not all of Prince's outtakes from a record are lesser quality.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #16 posted 06/21/16 8:06am

ksgemini63

skipthecharades said:

Crystal Ball vol. II



Yeah when the 4 disc set came in 98 I remember being enthused I thought a bunch more were coming from npg
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Reply #17 posted 06/21/16 8:10am

rob1965

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TrivialPursuit said:



rob1965 said:


Yes. All My Dreams appeared on Charade for instance.
I also believe there are a lot of tracks that were issued under a different title after some minor alterations/remixes of the original recordings. Some were written years earlier before release (or no release). And then there are those who are simply not interesting enough to be released. The fact they weren't has mostly a good reason: lack of quality.


Uhhh, you realize Charade was a bootleg of Parade outtakes, right?

Not true at all. There are plenty of great songs Prince never released, some of which we've heard. Others of which he's mentioned. "I didn't always give the record company the best songs". Not all of Prince's outtakes from a record are lesser quality.



I know and that's not what I said or at least didn't mean to say. There's more than enough greatness that was never released. But enough material that just wasn't good enough. In my opinion. Matters of taste is never a matter of true or not true.
'Liberate My Mind'
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Reply #18 posted 06/21/16 8:24am

Quexzea

The 4 disc version of Sign O The Times that he had planned before WB made him widdle down to 2 disc.

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Reply #19 posted 06/21/16 9:51am

nelcp777

Quexzea said:

The 4 disc version of Sign O The Times that he had planned before WB made him widdle down to 2 disc.

Most definitely!

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Reply #20 posted 06/21/16 10:11am

jaypotton

Quexzea said:

The 4 disc version of Sign O The Times that he had planned before WB made him widdle down to 2 disc.



Err what "4 disc version"? Sign O The Times evolved out of The Dream Factory double LP, the Camille single LP, the Crystal Ball triple LP.

It was the triple LP Crystal Ball that Prince presented to Warners and had to cut it down to a double LP that because SOTT.

So not sure where you got the 4 discs from?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #21 posted 06/21/16 12:13pm

NorthC

Camille. The funkiest tracks of SOTT all one one album! headbang
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Reply #22 posted 06/21/16 12:24pm

paulludvig

The triple album Crystal Ball was the album Prince wanted to release. The ultimate Prince album imo.

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #23 posted 06/21/16 1:35pm

PeteSilas

no clue but if he did in fact have sequels to the time albums/1999/pr, then all of those probably.

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Reply #24 posted 06/21/16 1:44pm

mikeyaddict

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Id like to hear the free urself album - his most recent, and if it had if i could get ur attention and other tracks in that vein on it I feel or anticipate it coulda been his best for years.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
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Reply #25 posted 06/21/16 2:19pm

IstenSzek

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NorthC said:

Camille. The funkiest tracks of SOTT all one one album! headbang



true. i'm glad we got SOTT eventually and all. but as far as a concise, hard hitting,
truly spectacular funkyfied prince album, CAMILLE is the best there is. it takes no
prisoners. it just destroys the whole damn city and moves on falloff

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #26 posted 06/21/16 2:27pm

IstenSzek

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[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Zeo/camille-1.jpg[/img:$uid]


Side 1:

01. The Rebirth Of The Flesh

02. Housequake

03. Strange Relationship

04. Feel Good (long)


Side 2:

05. Shockadelica (long)
06. Good Love
07. If I Was Ur Girlfriend

08. Rockhard In A Funky Place



eek cool

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Reply #27 posted 06/21/16 2:37pm

NorthC

^Was that the actual album cover?
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Reply #28 posted 06/21/16 2:44pm

IstenSzek

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NorthC said:

^Was that the actual album cover?


it just appeared one day but no one is sure. i think the consensus is now that it's fanmade,
but a very nice effort smile

ah, it seems it is indeed fanmade:

http://prince.org/msg/7/387421


still cool though smile

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Reply #29 posted 06/21/16 3:30pm

thisisreece

Noodled24 said:

Rave (89) - Great tracklist.

The Dawn (93) - This would have been an absolute monster of an album.

PrinceVault.com Said:
The Dawn
is an unreleased album by SymbolSmallerBlue.png, and was worked on in late 1993 for possible release in 1994. The triple-album combined tracks which had been previously included on 1993 configurations of Come, along with tracks that would later be released on The Gold Experience and Chaos And Disorder along with various NPG Operator segues, although the exact tracklist is not known.

Given Prince's history of using the term "the dawn" as a milestone or a finishing point (often writing "May U live 2 see the dawn" at the end of album or movie credits), it appeared that he viewed this as an important piece of work; his magnum opus (in the same way he has often used the term "the grand progression". It is possible, although unverified, that The Dawn, in one form or another, is a project Prince continues to return to over time; after the tracks included on this album were released, SymbolSmallerBlue.png worked on another album titled The Dawn in 1996 and 1997 (see here for details).

Tracks that may have been included on the album include Come, Endorphinmachine, Space, Pheromone, Loose!, Papa, Dark, Dolphin, Poem, Race, Strays Of The World, What's My Name, Interactive, Solo, Zannalee, The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, Now, Ripopgodazippa, Shy, Gold, Strawberries, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, Chaos And Disorder, Right The Wrong, Acknowledge Me, Listen 2 The Rhythm (later renamed The Rhythm Of Your ♥), Hide The Bone, Love 4 1 Another (later renamed New World) and Days Of Wild.

Other tracks not included on any configuration of Come, The Gold Experience or Chaos And Disorder that may have been considered for inclusion here include Dream, Laurianne, Dance Of Desperation, I Wanna Be Held 2 Night, Emotional Crucifixion, The Ride, Poorgoo, Calhoun Square, It's About That Walk, Slave 2 The Funk.

Given that SymbolSmallerBlue.png worked on the album following the release of The Hits / The B-Sides compilations, it is likely that Pope was not included. All tracks listed here are speculative, however.


Beautiful Strange (98/99) : Because I want to hear Prince's version of this:


"They say as a child I appeared a little bit wild
With all my crazy ideas
But I knew what was happenin', I knew I was a genius
What's so strange when you know that you're a wizard at three?
I knew that this was meant to be"

Might just be the best Prince lyric he never wrote.

[Edited 6/21/16 8:08am]


The Beautiful Strange album is very intriguing. I love Beautiful Strange, and you're totally right about Prince coverig Twisted - I would love to hear that!

Hundalasiliah!
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