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anangellooksdo
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Why do think Prince was so into "family"?

I've read that he would like to talk to people, women especially I think, about family. I think I read that he was attracted to (in friendship if not other ways perhaps) women who had good family lives (meaning with their families of origin).

Why do you think this was? I find it interesting.
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Reply #1 posted 06/17/16 6:38am

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Probably because his family of origin was so unstable, he wanted to know what it was like to have a stable one.

I think he was trying to recreate that, only he had no idea how that thing worked, at all. Trust goes both way, and he seemed to find it difficult to extend the level of trust he expected from others, for whatever reason.

[Edited 6/17/16 6:39am]

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Reply #2 posted 06/17/16 6:56am

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Thank you for that opinion.

I read that he did have relationships with his family including his sister and brother in law and parents and that he also took care of people in the family. I wonder if perhaps later on as Prince matured, he understood more and in loving being a teacher of sorts, and with his increasing spiritual understanding and life, if he maybe liked to share what he had learned and hear about others' success in this area.

There might've been a yearning too. Again this is all suppositions on my part.
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Reply #3 posted 06/17/16 7:11am

Blakbear

anangellooksdown said:

Thank you for that opinion. I read that he did have relationships with his family including his sister and brother in law and parents and that he also took care of people in the family. I wonder if perhaps later on as Prince matured, he understood more and in loving being a teacher of sorts, and with his increasing spiritual understanding and life, if he maybe liked to share what he had learned and hear about others' success in this area. There might've been a yearning too. Again this is all suppositions on my part.

I tend to agree with you on that, though. He was a tyrannical little bastard, but he also seemed like he was trying to keep people from leaving him, all the while slowly strangling the very life out of them.

Whether that was intentional or not, I have no idea and am not really gonna speculate on, but LAWD, that boy was a lot.

He wa kinda the poster boy for doing the most, too much, and EXTRA. biggrin

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Reply #4 posted 06/17/16 7:42am

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Probably because his seemed to be so dysfunctional. He seemed to have been treated shabbily by everyone in it. I think he wanted a happy families type of life. I know growing up in the 60's it was all Donna Reed, Andy Griffiths, Father Knows Best, etc. We were about the same age so if he saw those shows and knew what his own was like I know he would want to escape like I did.

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Reply #5 posted 06/17/16 7:54am

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Blakbear said:



anangellooksdown said:


Thank you for that opinion. I read that he did have relationships with his family including his sister and brother in law and parents and that he also took care of people in the family. I wonder if perhaps later on as Prince matured, he understood more and in loving being a teacher of sorts, and with his increasing spiritual understanding and life, if he maybe liked to share what he had learned and hear about others' success in this area. There might've been a yearning too. Again this is all suppositions on my part.

I tend to agree with you on that, though. He was a tyrannical little bastard, but he also seemed like he was trying to keep people from leaving him, all the while slowly strangling the very life out of them.



Whether that was intentional or not, I have no idea and am not really gonna speculate on, but LAWD, that boy was a lot.



He wa kinda the poster boy for doing the most, too much, and EXTRA. biggrin



This made me smile smile
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Reply #6 posted 06/17/16 7:56am

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mimi1956 said:

Probably because his seemed to be so dysfunctional. He seemed to have been treated shabbily by everyone in it. I think he wanted a happy families type of life. I know growing up in the 60's it was all Donna Reed, Andy Griffiths, Father Knows Best, etc. We were about the same age so if he saw those shows and knew what his own was like I know he would want to escape like I did.

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I get it. I didn't even know my family was dysfunctional or what they had done to me. Talk about denial. And I wonder why a few years ago I had to watch every single Walton's rerun - EVERY SINGLE ONE - twice?
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Reply #7 posted 06/17/16 7:59am

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We seek out what we never had. And if there's one thing Prince didn't have as a child, it was stability. Moreover as an adult, he sought out people that could handle his eccentric & erratic ass. smile

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #8 posted 06/17/16 8:01am

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anangellooksdown said:

mimi1956 said:

Probably because his seemed to be so dysfunctional. He seemed to have been treated shabbily by everyone in it. I think he wanted a happy families type of life. I know growing up in the 60's it was all Donna Reed, Andy Griffiths, Father Knows Best, etc. We were about the same age so if he saw those shows and knew what his own was like I know he would want to escape like I did.

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I get it. I didn't even know my family was dysfunctional or what they had done to me. Talk about denial. And I wonder why a few years ago I had to watch every single Walton's rerun - EVERY SINGLE ONE - twice?

I think Hollywood painted to wonderful a picture and nobody's family could live up to it. So we grew up feeling let down. He seemed to have a particularly hard time.

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Reply #9 posted 06/17/16 8:12am

Bunsterdk

Blakbear said:



anangellooksdown said:


Thank you for that opinion. I read that he did have relationships with his family including his sister and brother in law and parents and that he also took care of people in the family. I wonder if perhaps later on as Prince matured, he understood more and in loving being a teacher of sorts, and with his increasing spiritual understanding and life, if he maybe liked to share what he had learned and hear about others' success in this area. There might've been a yearning too. Again this is all suppositions on my part.

I tend to agree with you on that, though. He was a tyrannical little bastard, but he also seemed like he was trying to keep people from leaving him, all the while slowly strangling the very life out of them.



Whether that was intentional or not, I have no idea and am not really gonna speculate on, but LAWD, that boy was a lot.



He wa kinda the poster boy for doing the most, too much, and EXTRA. biggrin



Can't argue with you there.. LOL

Gotta love his little tyrannical behind though. cool
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Reply #10 posted 06/17/16 8:17am

anangellooksdo
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mimi1956 said:



anangellooksdown said:


mimi1956 said:

Probably because his seemed to be so dysfunctional. He seemed to have been treated shabbily by everyone in it. I think he wanted a happy families type of life. I know growing up in the 60's it was all Donna Reed, Andy Griffiths, Father Knows Best, etc. We were about the same age so if he saw those shows and knew what his own was like I know he would want to escape like I did.


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I get it. I didn't even know my family was dysfunctional or what they had done to me. Talk about denial. And I wonder why a few years ago I had to watch every single Walton's rerun - EVERY SINGLE ONE - twice?

I think Hollywood painted to wonderful a picture and nobody's family could live up to it. So we grew up feeling let down. He seemed to have a particularly hard time.



Awesomely accurate
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Reply #11 posted 06/17/16 8:18am

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TrivialPursuit said:

We seek out what we never had. And if there's one thing Prince didn't have as a child, it was stability. Moreover as an adult, he sought out people that could handle his eccentric & erratic ass. smile



Yeah, or we seek out more of the same sad
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Reply #12 posted 06/17/16 8:22am

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Abandonment issues I think. He once said " what if everyone around me split?" I have to protect myself..words to that effect. He was insecure and tested people's loyalty constantly. I think he did the rejecting before he was rejected which he always found very difficult to deal with. I also think he loved deeply but did not trust people deeply. He was perceptive and good at Reading people but when it didn't fit his narrative he became defensive. I believe he regretted rejecting some people, he said he used to be very cold, walk out and never look back but that he was trying to change. I think he was harsh to a few people he probably loved deep down but moved on anyway. I was surprised at that letter neal karlen talked about when Prince told him he loved him. It shows that he was open about his feelings and sometimes wore his heart on his sleeve. His songs reflect his feelings honestly. He wanted the loyalty and trust can you get from your family ( not always) and tried to recreate that.

My analysis..since you asked
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Reply #13 posted 06/17/16 8:27am

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St Paul Peterson was asked this to a degree,

http://www.okayplayer.com...rview.html

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Reply #14 posted 06/17/16 9:04am

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Blakbear said:

Probably because his family of origin was so unstable, he wanted to know what it was like to have a stable one.

I think he was trying to recreate that, only he had no idea how that thing worked, at all. Trust goes both way, and he seemed to find it difficult to extend the level of trust he expected from others, for whatever reason.

[Edited 6/17/16 6:39am]

This.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #15 posted 06/17/16 9:09am

Blakbear

Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said:



anangellooksdown said:


Thank you for that opinion. I read that he did have relationships with his family including his sister and brother in law and parents and that he also took care of people in the family. I wonder if perhaps later on as Prince matured, he understood more and in loving being a teacher of sorts, and with his increasing spiritual understanding and life, if he maybe liked to share what he had learned and hear about others' success in this area. There might've been a yearning too. Again this is all suppositions on my part.

I tend to agree with you on that, though. He was a tyrannical little bastard, but he also seemed like he was trying to keep people from leaving him, all the while slowly strangling the very life out of them.



Whether that was intentional or not, I have no idea and am not really gonna speculate on, but LAWD, that boy was a lot.



He wa kinda the poster boy for doing the most, too much, and EXTRA. biggrin



Can't argue with you there.. LOL

Gotta love his little tyrannical behind though. cool


Lol do I? I kid, cause my ass be extra too sometimes. I can imagine working at PP and being like, " You are extra today, Yoda, and you need to cut it before you come up missing, yo diva ass." And being fined and fired. Lol
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Reply #16 posted 06/17/16 9:16am

Bunsterdk

Blakbear said:

Bunsterdk said:



Can't argue with you there.. LOL

Gotta love his little tyrannical behind though. cool


Lol do I? I kid, cause my ass be extra too sometimes. I can imagine working at PP and being like, " You are extra today, Yoda, and you need to cut it before you come up missing, yo diva ass." And being fined and fired. Lol


Oh yeah, I hear ya.. I'd be out on my behind too in record time if I'd ever worked at PP. lol

I do have some experience in handling divas, but no-one could out-diva our boy. Doubt he'd accept handling of his divaism.. cool
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Reply #17 posted 06/17/16 10:17am

Blakbear

Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said:



Lol do I? I kid, cause my ass be extra too sometimes. I can imagine working at PP and being like, " You are extra today, Yoda, and you need to cut it before you come up missing, yo diva ass." And being fined and fired. Lol


Oh yeah, I hear ya.. I'd be out on my behind too in record time if I'd ever worked at PP. lol

I do have some experience in handling divas, but no-one could out-diva our boy. Doubt he'd accept handling of his divaism.. cool


Lawl yas. After working with diva veternarians, I know a thing or two, there's not enough Svengaliing in the world to make me overlook some stuff. And the puppy eyes? Fuggetaboudit. Nobody's that cute anymore. Lol
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Reply #18 posted 06/17/16 10:34am

Bunsterdk

Blakbear said:

Bunsterdk said:



Oh yeah, I hear ya.. I'd be out on my behind too in record time if I'd ever worked at PP. lol

I do have some experience in handling divas, but no-one could out-diva our boy. Doubt he'd accept handling of his divaism.. cool


Lawl yas. After working with diva veternarians, I know a thing or two, there's not enough Svengaliing in the world to make me overlook some stuff. And the puppy eyes? Fuggetaboudit. Nobody's that cute anymore. Lol


Yup, diva vets are among my diva experiences too. They can be a handful alright.

I'm not quite sure though about the eyes. I suspect one stern look from His Divaness could bring me from forget-about-it to "So where do you want your camel, sir?" in five seconds. But the rest of the divas of the world? Not a chance.
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Reply #19 posted 06/17/16 11:12am

Blakbear

Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said:



Lawl yas. After working with diva veternarians, I know a thing or two, there's not enough Svengaliing in the world to make me overlook some stuff. And the puppy eyes? Fuggetaboudit. Nobody's that cute anymore. Lol


Yup, diva vets are among my diva experiences too. They can be a handful alright.

I'm not quite sure though about the eyes. I suspect one stern look from His Divaness could bring me from forget-about-it to "So where do you want your camel, sir?" in five seconds. But the rest of the divas of the world? Not a chance.


Lol camel. "It's in your pants already, sir."

This is why I should remain a dogwalker.
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Reply #20 posted 06/17/16 11:29am

Bunsterdk

Blakbear said:

Bunsterdk said:



Yup, diva vets are among my diva experiences too. They can be a handful alright.

I'm not quite sure though about the eyes. I suspect one stern look from His Divaness could bring me from forget-about-it to "So where do you want your camel, sir?" in five seconds. But the rest of the divas of the world? Not a chance.


Lol camel. "It's in your pants already, sir."

This is why I should remain a dogwalker.


LOL Good call. Highly underrated profession, I'm sure. biggrin
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Reply #21 posted 06/17/16 11:33am

FUNKNROLL

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anangellooksdown said:


Thank you for that opinion. I read that he did have relationships with his family including his sister and brother in law and parents and that he also took care of people in the family. I wonder if perhaps later on as Prince matured, he understood more and in loving being a teacher of sorts, and with his increasing spiritual understanding and life, if he maybe liked to share what he had learned and hear about others' success in this area. There might've been a yearning too. Again this is all suppositions on my part.

I tend to agree with you on that, though. He was a tyrannical little bastard, but he also seemed like he was trying to keep people from leaving him, all the while slowly strangling the very life out of them.



Whether that was intentional or not, I have no idea and am not really gonna speculate on, but LAWD, that boy was a lot.



He wa kinda the poster boy for doing the most, too much, and EXTRA. biggrin




Yes, it seems he was at some level consumed with worry that he would be left alone. And worrying, as they say, is praying for bad things. Sad vicious cycle. Perhaps his fame was directly proportionate to his worry, if that makes sense.

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Reply #22 posted 06/17/16 1:19pm

Blakbear

Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said:
Lol camel. "It's in your pants already, sir." This is why I should remain a dogwalker.
LOL Good call. Highly underrated profession, I'm sure. biggrin

[img:$uid]http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x103/monkeyrose_photos/STARFISHCOFFEE/rave/10695a725dd61179a9c6b534dddd9172.jpg[/img:$uid]

See? Camel. In his PANTS. lol I know; I'm SO VERY MATURE. falloff

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Reply #23 posted 06/17/16 1:33pm

Letsgocrazy1

Breaks my heart that just when he thought he would have a stable loving family with Mayte and his baby... his whole world came crashing down. I never saw that kind of sparkle in his eyes after that. His fear was being alone. One of his bodyguards, Big Chick did say in an interview that Prince would often say he was lonely... even with all the fame and fortune. It is so hard to get over the fact he died alone. It breaks my heart
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Reply #24 posted 06/17/16 1:35pm

Bunsterdk

Blakbear said:



Bunsterdk said:


Blakbear said:
Lol camel. "It's in your pants already, sir." This is why I should remain a dogwalker.

LOL Good call. Highly underrated profession, I'm sure. biggrin



See? Camel. In his PANTS. lol I know; I'm SO VERY MATURE. falloff



ROFL

Oh, I was just reminded of that employee again and the lace outfit. Hilarious.. But it would seem he had a point. Ahem..
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Reply #25 posted 06/17/16 1:37pm

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Letsgocrazy1 said:

Breaks my heart that just when he thought he would have a stable loving family with Mayte and his baby... his whole world came crashing down. I never saw that kind of sparkle in his eyes after that. His fear was being alone. One of his bodyguards, Big Chick did say in an interview that Prince would often say he was lonely... even with all the fame and fortune. It is so hard to get over the fact he died alone. It breaks my heart

I saw an interview with pink where she talked about how you're all hyped up on stage during a show with the massive energy of thousands of people - and then at midnight it's over and you're in the limo all alone trying to come down from this huge high...it makes for lonely nights since most people are asleep while you're trying to relax after something like that that we will never understand.
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Reply #26 posted 06/17/16 1:44pm

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anangellooksdown said:

I've read that he would like to talk to people, women especially I think, about family. I think I read that he was attracted to (in friendship if not other ways perhaps) women who had good family lives (meaning with their families of origin). Why do you think this was? I find it interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_pronoun

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Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said:

[img:$uid]http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x103/monkeyrose_photos/STARFISHCOFFEE/rave/10695a725dd61179a9c6b534dddd9172.jpg[/img:$uid]

See? Camel. In his PANTS. lol I know; I'm SO VERY MATURE. falloff

ROFL Oh, I was just reminded of that employee again and the lace outfit. Hilarious.. But it would seem he had a point. Ahem..

Can't get that video out of my mind lol lol lol

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Reply #28 posted 06/17/16 4:37pm

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CROWNS1 said:

Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said: ROFL Oh, I was just reminded of that employee again and the lace outfit. Hilarious.. But it would seem he had a point. Ahem..

Can't get that video out of my mind lol lol lol

Me either - it was too funny - the guy was almost blushing when he told the story and I think even I went bright red listening to it !!!!

Thank you Prince for every note you left behind 💜
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Reply #29 posted 06/17/16 6:57pm

Blakbear

gollygirl said:

CROWNS1 said:

Can't get that video out of my mind lol lol lol

Me either - it was too funny - the guy was almost blushing when he told the story and I think even I went bright red listening to it !!!!

Haha yes. That was just the hilarity. And I mean if all of that was see-able, I'd probably be staring, too. I mean, I saw that pic and was like, "Wow, that's.... a lot."

BUUUUT, back to the thread, here.

Honestly, I do think Prince was often lonely, personally. Not all the time, but sometimes, yeah. He struck me as a guy who would really like to just have family and friends around him, and be normal. He loved music, he loved playing, but he always seemed the calmest when he had someone to come home to, on top of it.

As much as I joke about him being extra and things, I do have a lot of compassion for him, and honestly, I suspect he was also really sweet when he wasn't being a little demon.

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