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Reply #60 posted 06/15/16 10:18pm

bilbolives

http://www.startribune.com/c-j-chanhassen-has-a-secret-of-its-own-about-prince/383196301/

Apparently, a plan is in the works for a public artwork and public memorial on private property somewhere in Chanhassen. Details are apparently being revealed next week. Keep checking the Minneapolis Start Tribune for information.

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Reply #61 posted 06/16/16 2:14am

paisleyemp

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Folks



I was very relaxed the past few weeks and now I realise I will not find a closure until some justice is done to Prince and I am getting very upset. Why are they not organising a memorial for him, so that close folks can talk about his vision and how he would have wanted things, there is a positive message missing that Prince was always about. It's not right, and it's not what he wanted to have, and remembered by. This is about his legacy. All the rich folks that said they were close friends they couldn't give some cash to the family to organise this event? Instead they are all behaving like fans tattoing themselves and talking complete nonsense about the 'if'. I understand there is a lot of mess that needs to be sorted at PP that Nelson's apparently can't even cope, but hey nobody there to help? So once again they just left him there alone even after his death and all his rich friends....useless like they always have been.



There is no point of a memorial in August or like in a year. It needs to be done now. I am convinced that this is not what Prince would have wanted. confused


I am very upset or am I thinking wrong?

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Reply #62 posted 06/16/16 2:16am

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You're convinced this is what Prince would have wanted? Did you know him personally? So how the fuck do you know?
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Reply #63 posted 06/16/16 2:51am

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I think that Tyka should have cooperated with the JW memorial that took place a couple of weeks after his death being that this was his faith and most likely what he would have wanted. There was no fanfare there, which is according to her, what he wanted to not be fanfare and for him to be put to rest with dignity. She got that part right when she cremated him and kept the ashes secret.

I think I got closure viewing things from afar although I really wanted to be in attendance in MN with the JW memorial for him. Just the pic with his nephew carrying his ashes was final for me, and viewing the printed program online. Also D'Angelo's tribute and listening to a JW song that was sung at his memorial helped. Not to mention listening to his last concert in Atlanta.

I think I've found a bit of closure.

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Reply #64 posted 06/16/16 4:40am

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Blakbear said:



OzlemUcucu said:




Blakbear said:



No, they shouldn't do something asap. They should go ahead with the plan they had in mind -- they don't HAVE to do anything. And like I said, there is zero preventing the orgers who "need" this to happen from making it happen. Besides, what was Spike Lee's thing, dog crap? And First Avenue's thing? Those weren't memorials?


Considering Prince's penchant for throwing parties, those two things were actually great memorials, as far as I am concerned.


Stop the insanity and let this family alone. Let the celebs alone. They have no obligation to do any more than they've already done. The fact that some fans don't happen to like it is just too damn bad; you need to get the fuck over it, already.




For people living outside of America Spike's and others thing does not mean anything, so I think you should start to think a little outside the box maybe you'll understand better what I am writing about.



Oh, I understand, all right: you want them to prioritize your grieving over their own. Selfish, foolish, and RUDE. Get over yourself and grow up. They don't owe you. Things were done for Prince already -- you need to organize a thing yourself amongst fans in your country, not whine and cry and expect this grieving family to do it for you. You obviously have time to complain -- use your energy to do something constructive instead. This isn't their job, it's yours. Deal with it.


Exactly. The family doesn't owe him anything. Furthermore they don't know him from jack shite, so his whining and complaining is just air.
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Reply #65 posted 06/16/16 7:15am

wayhome

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Rodeo either way, a celebration is just fine. Prince was huge and if they did actually give a damn they would have done it. They don't and Prince didn't about them either. They have a lot of mess to deal with but as I wrote a celebration or memorial is long overdue. These folks don't even have the capacity to realise how huge he was. His so called his friends, why don't they organise it, they are greedy or what? I don't even understand what's going on but this is so wrong what's goin on.

People, calm the hell down. None of us have any idea what is going on. We have no right to know these things. They had a pirvate memorial. the rest of your comment is just nonsense.

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Reply #66 posted 06/16/16 7:17am

wayhome

OzlemUcucu said:

babynoz said:

I am going to continue to give them the benefit of the doubt and I hope that people will finally begin to consider the hardships the family may be dealing with.

First of all, Muhammad Ali laid out in EXPLICIT detail what he wanted his family to do and made sure they had the resources to do it with. Ali and Witney both left a will too.

Secondly, there was no criminal investigation inolved in Ali's case and even in MJ's case they already knew that Conrad Murray was the focus of the investigation.

Third, George Lopez had to loan them the $$ to do what they could, which was a wake and cremation. The rest may have been used to file the probate case. They may have gotten help from others as well but attorneys ain't cheap. A good estate lawyer on a high profile case in that jurisdiction? I could conservatively estimate $500 per hour and there is probably more than one. That's not even counting if they charge a retainer and expenses.

The family dynamics and financial situations are in no way comparable. There are things that I would have liked to see happen but sometimes in life we need to set our own wishes and feelilngs aside. shrug

Ahh Babynoz, these folks are rich beyond our imagination. Nobody could organise an event for him to honour a friend? Come on, even I could would do this for my neighbour. Instead they are behaving like fans, tatooing each other and all that nonsense talk. I never cared too much about any of them, and I undersand now why. They are very useless. Prince died alone and after his death he is still alone. If Tyka said no these folks cause she thought she had to organise and wait for the money. This tells me she is not doing any good for Prince. I doubt she ever has and I don't walk to bad about people I don't know, but this is not done properly. Prince was hugeeeeeeeeee, don't these people understand. Even Alan Leeds said he had no idea of the impact. All a bunch of nutters.

You sound like a nutter too.

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Reply #67 posted 06/16/16 8:41am

dayzofwyld

OzlemUcucu said:

babynoz said:



Yes, I know it's late but what I am trying to get people to understand is that under the circumstances, what fans may want is nowhere near the top of the Nelson family "to do" list.

And that is as it should be.

But the fans should be on top priority on their list, cause fans have been on Prince's top priority and fans will carry on his legacy. So they are so useless. His family may not know about these things, as they are not celebs, and have money issues, it's all clear, but hey what about these damn rich folks??? Where are these folks?

oh wake up and stop being so damned selfish

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Reply #68 posted 06/16/16 9:34am

journalism16

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Really? Isn't it rude to expect the Nelsons, who lost a brother and are currently trying to clean up the mess he left them, to think about the fans right now?
What's WRONG with you guys? We really aren't their top priority, nor should we be. Stop being petty. It's not what Prince would have wanted, it's what you want, so stop couching it in those terms. You really aren't that important right now. They have enough on their hands. Stop adding to rhe stress and acting like petulant, spoiled children.


I have to agree with you, it really is not about us right now.
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Reply #69 posted 06/16/16 9:38am

journalism16

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It's not like Prince died and nothing happened. He was honoured by family and close friends (including Tyka) in a quiet small memorial soon after his passing. Then the JW's had their memorial service which was well attended by those who knew Prince and were important to him.

Franky, we as fans aren't owed anything - if the family want to keep his memorials a family matter and mourn him privately, I understand completely.

Thankfully, they have decided to organise a public memorial and for that I'm very grateful. August isn't that far away people… it'll be July soon! I appreciate they're taking the time to do it properly. Think of all the stress and grief they've been through since April 21, I'm not surprised a public memorial hasn't happened. The family has been inundated by slanderous media and legal stresses piled on top of their grief, it would be a nightmare - and they deserve space and privacy during this time.

I wholeheartedly agree with you!!!

So don't think for a minute Prince has been forgotten or left alone, remember his loved ones and dearest friends did pay their respects to him in private memorials.
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Reply #70 posted 06/16/16 9:47am

FlyOnTheWall

OzlemUcucu said:

Folks

I was very relaxed the past few weeks and now I realise I will not find a closure until some justice is done to Prince and I am getting very upset. Why are they not organising a memorial for him, so that close folks can talk about his vision and how he would have wanted things, there is a positive message missing that Prince was always about. It's not right, and it's not what he wanted to have, and remembered by. This is about his legacy. All the rich folks that said they were close friends they couldn't give some cash to the family to organise this event? Instead they are all behaving like fans tattoing themselves and talking complete nonsense about the 'if'. I understand there is a lot of mess that needs to be sorted at PP that Nelson's apparently can't even cope, but hey nobody there to help? So once again they just left him there alone even after his death and all his rich friends....useless like they always have been.

There is no point of a memorial in August or like in a year. It needs to be done now. I am convinced that this is not what Prince would have wanted. confused

I am very upset or am I thinking wrong?

I could not agree more. And, really, how much money does it TAKE to organize a memorial for Prince? Besides which, any money needed could surely be billed to his VAST estate. Personally, I think this is just unconscionable.

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Reply #71 posted 06/16/16 10:08am

wayhome

journalism16 said:

Blakbear said:
Really? Isn't it rude to expect the Nelsons, who lost a brother and are currently trying to clean up the mess he left them, to think about the fans right now? What's WRONG with you guys? We really aren't their top priority, nor should we be. Stop being petty. It's not what Prince would have wanted, it's what you want, so stop couching it in those terms. You really aren't that important right now. They have enough on their hands. Stop adding to rhe stress and acting like petulant, spoiled children.
I have to agree with you, it really is not about us right now.

I agree with you. It seems like alot of people are acting like twelve year olds. It makes me wonder if these people act like that in their daily life, I can't imagine anyone taking them seriously without laughing.

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Reply #72 posted 06/16/16 10:21am

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Blakbear said:

Really? Isn't it rude to expect the Nelsons, who lost a brother and are currently trying to clean up the mess he left them, to think about the fans right now? What's WRONG with you guys? We really aren't their top priority, nor should we be. Stop being petty. It's not what Prince would have wanted, it's what you want, so stop couching it in those terms. You really aren't that important right now. They have enough on their hands. Stop adding to rhe stress and acting like petulant, spoiled children.

U betta say it, Blakbear! I'm baffled by some posts here demanding this or that - petitions to reveal the full autopsy report and calls for expediant memorial celebrations - as if we're entitled simply because we're people who enjoyed Prince's artistry and music. We are entitled to nothing, nada.




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Reply #73 posted 06/16/16 10:29am

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I don't feel Prince has been disrepected. There have been private memorial services and then the star studded one mid May. There have been several tributes since his passing as well. It's just the handling of his memorial's and the strangeness around his death and the silence that is messing with Prince fans minds.

I think where all of us Prince fans are getting messed up is we feel left out of it. You have to remember, when Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston passed away, they televised the memorial services so the whole world could attend and pay respects. I thought it was lovely to have that for the fans, especially the MJ memorial. I feel MJ's family throughly understood how important he was to his fans and that he would want them to be a part of that.

I truly do not know what Prince would have wanted in this situation, again having a Will and a clear cut breakdown of his wishes would have been helpful. But I do feel it would have been nice to have a televised event at least so we all can feel part of the memorial service. And yes it should have at least been in May. The one organized by Mayte and Mani would have been nice to be televised. IDK you all, I just feel yes Prince was private, but so was MJ and he had an awesome moving memorial. Prince should have one like that, or similar, televised so the world can feel complete closure. We cannot forget the fans in Europe and Australia who supported and loved him so much.

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Reply #74 posted 06/16/16 10:37am

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OzlemUcucu said:

There is no will needed really for us to imagine what Prince would have wanted considering the output he has given all these years. He was in the game and there is no point in neglecting him when he is no longer here. I am convinced it's not the way how he wanted what's going on right now. Don't you think?

David Bowie did not have a public memorial. I think Prince wouldn't want anything different. He would want life to go on. I had read that two factions in the family were arguing about the August memorial, because each was trying to maximize the family profit from televising the event. But the Olympics are in August, a lot of bands and singers are out on tour over the summer ... The last thing I would want to see would be a memorial featuring B and C list entertainment.

Well said. Artists all have schedules so they have to arrange a date when all these artists they want are available. Also, I think Prince would have said, he didn't want anyone to make a fuss. I also read Sheila E. would be involved in helping with the August event.

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Reply #75 posted 06/16/16 12:22pm

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AnnaStesia10 said:

I don't feel Prince has been disrepected. There have been private memorial services and then the star studded one mid May. There have been several tributes since his passing as well. It's just the handling of his memorial's and the strangeness around his death and the silence that is messing with Prince fans minds.



I think where all of us Prince fans are getting messed up is we feel left out of it. You have to remember, when Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston passed away, they televised the memorial services so the whole world could attend and pay respects. I thought it was lovely to have that for the fans, especially the MJ memorial. I feel MJ's family throughly understood how important he was to his fans and that he would want them to be a part of that.



I truly do not know what Prince would have wanted in this situation, again having a Will and a clear cut breakdown of his wishes would have been helpful. But I do feel it would have been nice to have a televised event at least so we all can feel part of the memorial service. And yes it should have at least been in May. The one organized by Mayte and Mani would have been nice to be televised. IDK you all, I just feel yes Prince was private, but so was MJ and he had an awesome moving memorial. Prince should have one like that, or similar, televised so the world can feel complete closure. We cannot forget the fans in Europe and Australia who supported and loved him so much.



I have to agree with you in some respects, especially about Michael and Whitney's televised memorials. That was very nice to have their families include us in their time of mourning, as the fans were so important to Whitney and Michael. With that being said, Prince loved and appreciated his fans very much, but perhaps, in light of his passing, he just wanted privacy for himself and his family during this time.

I know a lot of us feel like we have been left out because we did not have a chance to mourn publicly with his family and friends, but I look at it this way: we were there to support him through so much while he was alive; going to concerts, parties at Paisley Park (for those of you who could,) and so many other things. And even though he didn't say it outright, he appreciated all of the love and support we gave him. I know this is hard for all of us to realize, but maybe what he wanted was what his family gave him, and that was privacy and dignity during this, and because he was so private, this is what he probably told Tyka that this was what he wanted, and like it or not, we all have to respect this.

I am looking forward to coming to the memorial they are planning in August.
[Edited 6/16/16 12:24pm]
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Reply #76 posted 06/16/16 12:28pm

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wayhome said:

journalism16 said:

Blakbear said: I have to agree with you, it really is not about us right now.

I agree with you. It seems like alot of people are acting like twelve year olds. It makes me wonder if these people act like that in their daily life, I can't imagine anyone taking them seriously without laughing.


I think you're being way too generous. Most of them seem to be stuck in the "terrible twos."

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Reply #77 posted 06/16/16 1:20pm

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Views on the Memorial can be discussed further here, thanks:

http://prince.org/msg/7/423857

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