wavesofbliss said:

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said: --- You can get Rx for Fentayl so like I said he either had an Rx or he did not have one.

yes i know this. i mentioned the cancer scenario as an example of a catalyst to him using the patches. there is no way to prove someone has/had chronic pain as a factor in taking medicine,once they are deceased. chronic physical pain is only evident(experinenced and noted by a patient)while they are alive. refer to the ME report. there is a section for other factors/causes of death. they did not check one. i was a medical admin for a practice of 4 Drs. I'm pretty familiar with scripts et al(at least in my state) I do know that MOST reputable practices/drs will not give a script for fentynl unless its cancer. CP is too risky bcos of this kind of scenario.+++ put this way, if they had found cancer in the exam they would have said 'he was a cancer patient so that's why he was taking fentynl and accidentally overdosed. they didn't, so where is the medical need for the patches? chronic pain? sure, but you can't find/see that in a post mortem like you can a tumor. +++++sorry to be confusing.

+++ i still believe those two and possibly others know more then they have shared. sadly,i don't think that info will ever come to light. i hope i'm wrong.

No they wouldn't. The only legal requirement is that they list a contributory cause of death. They would not have listed "chronic pain" -- that's non-sensical, he died of pain?

They listed what they HAD to list by law, nothing more. You can be assured the ME had access to all of his medical records. They deliberately chose not to disclose any more to the public than they are required to do so by law, which is the contents of that form.

Even if he had cancer, unless they had a reasonable medical certainty that it directly or secondarily contributed to his death (e.g., he had a lung mass that inhibited his breathing so much that the opiod effect pushed him over the edge), they would not list it on the form.

AnnaStesia10 said:

muleFunk said:

My best friend is a pathologist when he died were discussing the possibility of OD and he read somewhere that he had a dangerously low red blood cell count is telling of another illness. It didn't kill him but something was going on.

muleFunk: in your opinion or your friend in the medical field, could the low red blood cell count also be telling of a possible infection or virus in Prince's system?

He speculated that he could have had Acute Onset Leukemia.

That being said the other causes of death are listed as none meaning the leukemia didn't kill him but the fentanyl did. If you look up the symptoms of this disease and what Prince was dealing with from people who worked with him then it makes sense.

The doctor coming with test results to his home is very interesting.

Dr. Drew even hinted at an underlying condition causing this event.

If you go back over the last couple of years you start seeing interesting things happening.

The Prince appearances on Jimmy Kimmel when he didn't have an CD just the songs.

The Arsenio Hall show.

The 7 minute multiple song SNL

I thought they were just giving him props but now it looks like they were actually saying goodbye.

The key to me is the whole Art Official Age release .

Warner Brothers released this album instead of PR 30.

Prince said himself that PR 30 had been given to WB and to ask them about why they didn't release it. Now do you think it would have sold more in 2014 with Prince alive OR in 2019 with him dead?

muleFunk said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

muleFunk: in your opinion or your friend in the medical field, could the low red blood cell count also be telling of a possible infection or virus in Prince's system?

He speculated that he could have had Acute Onset Leukemia.

That being said the other causes of death are listed as none meaning the leukemia didn't kill him but the fentanyl did. If you look up the symptoms of this disease and what Prince was dealing with from people who worked with him then it makes sense.

thank you for articulating what i couldn't. MEs look for physical causes for why someone is taking a medication. ++++this remeinds me of my dad's sudden death; he collapsed in the living room. got him to the ER and after tests they admitted him. they were putting him is his bed and he collapsed again and died. during post mortem they found his pancreas eaten up with cancer. OCofD cardiac arrest; other causes,pancreatic cancer.

morningsong said:

It is quiet, almost too quiet. Makes you wonder if it's all a wrap and done. My reason says its not, but the sudden silence feels strange.

I do know this for certain.

Prince is being made the poster child for opiate abuse now.

It seems that media is hell bent on making this case a case of rock star ODs on drugs. No one is looking at other medical problems that led down this road.

I agree with you muleFunk, U cannot trust the media fully they just want a story and for the most part are spin doctors. Thank you for that note on the Acute Onset Leukemia. The fact that he had a really low red blood cell count keeps being overlooked. If that is what Prince had and he then decided to take the F patch for pain management -- I know it has been spoken of in other threads, but this could also be why he chose to do the Piano and a Microphone shows. Those shows were so intimate esp. the two shows at PP back in January. Per reviews he spoke the most at those to shows about personal events in his life. Plus those shows were less stressful on his body, no dancing or jumping or standing. I feel those shows were very emotional for him so maybe taxing on his spirit. Also him wanting to finally write his autobiography. I don't fully feel it was because of his age , I am sorry 57 was and is not old.

Oh man, that is all I want to know if he had an underlying illness that made him take the stupid F patch. I am tired too of the media and the general public lumping Prince into the group of he was just another addict and due to his fame and money bought the meds from enablers.

muleFunk said:

Dr. Drew even hinted at an underlying condition causing this event.

If you go back over the last couple of years you start seeing interesting things happening.

The Prince appearances on Jimmy Kimmel when he didn't have an CD just the songs.

The Arsenio Hall show.

The 7 minute multiple song SNL

I thought they were just giving him props but now it looks like they were actually saying goodbye.

The key to me is the whole Art Official Age release .

Warner Brothers released this album instead of PR 30.

Prince said himself that PR 30 had been given to WB and to ask them about why they didn't release it. Now do you think it would have sold more in 2014 with Prince alive OR in 2019 with him dead?

Anyone who has been a long time Prince watcher knows the man was a health nut and anti drug.

I'm not saying that he couldn't have been addicted to pain meds because millions of people are and he is no different but what I am saying is that something happened to get him to April 21.

Let me also say that after I saw the unedited Pepsi commercial shoot where Michael Jackson was burned I changed my mind on his situation.

muleFunk said:

I do know this for certain.

Prince is being made the poster child for opiate abuse now.

It seems that media is hell bent on making this case a case of rock star ODs on drugs. No one is looking at other medical problems that led down this road.

co-sign. this is the other thing that is breaking my heart. since his death i've wanted to shout from the mountain tops:

+++MUSICIAN

+++ ICON

+++ LEGEND

+++ NOT ex-husband, NOT addict, NOT fromer mentor!! FUCK the REST of THIS BULLSHIT!!

Amen to the two above statements. PS..I agree on MJ the Pepsi incident set events off that lead him to his dealth. We just wanna know what event lead our Prince to April 21st.

muleFunk said:

rogifan said:

muleFunk said:

I do know this for certain.

Prince is being made the poster child for opiate abuse now.

It seems that media is hell bent on making this case a case of rock star ODs on drugs. No one is looking at other medical problems that led down this road.

How so? I'll admit I'm not really searching specifically for these stories but there's nothing in the local Minneapolis paper, nothing in my Twitter feed (which includes news and entertainment sources) about Prince at all, at least not related to drugs. Isn't it entirely possible we're not hearing anything because there's nothing to tell? Also I don't think Minnesota requires this information to be made public. Honestly I don't think it's anyone's business outside of immediate family and very close friends. Nothing can bring him back so what good is knowing this very personal information?

YouTube Prince's death and the CNN coverage.

wavesofbliss said:

wavesofbliss said:

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said:

thank you for articulating what i couldn't. MEs look for physical causes for why someone is taking a medication. ++++this remeinds me of my dad's sudden death; he collapsed in the living room. got him to the ER and after tests they admitted him. they were putting him is his bed and he collapsed again and died. during post mortem they found his pancreas eaten up with cancer. OCofD cardiac arrest; other causes,pancreatic cancer.

--- I am sorry for your loss but I swear to God I think this is what was going on Prince. Giving away hoards of money, calling up people he had not spoken to in years, writing a book, trying to turn Paisley Park into a mususem and opening in concert with personal stories. The signs are there I hope when things settle down the family is forthcoming with more information.

That out of everything tripped me out the most.

If it is done correctly it would work.
I'm talking about the Stax Records Museum in Memphis or the County Music Hall of Fame in Nashville.

It could still be used as a recording studio .

muleFunk said:

Anyone who has been a long time Prince watcher knows the man was a health nut and anti drug.

I'm not saying that he couldn't have been addicted to pain meds because millions of people are and he is no different but what I am saying is that something happened to get him to April 21.

Let me also say that after I saw the unedited Pepsi commercial shoot where Michael Jackson was burned I changed my mind on his situation.

When did Prince himself ever say he was anti-drugs? He may have. I don't really know. I just don't recall him saying it. However, I do recall him saying he was open to them.

muleFunk said:

I do know this for certain.

Prince is being made the poster child for opiate abuse now.

It seems that media is hell bent on making this case a case of rock star ODs on drugs. No one is looking at other medical problems that led down this road.

I see it differently, if you don't mind me sharing my thoughts...The news I've seen (local and national) does not mention Prince's name, but since the day he passed, the issue of opiods have heightened. I don't see the news coverage on opiods as an attack or a way or making Prince a poster-child. I actually see this as the world "hurting," but unable to say "we are hurt about Prince being gone," so the news focuses on what is suspected to be the cause of his passing without saying his name. Prince's absence transcends family, friends, fans, and fams. He was and is engrained in the fabric of 2 generations, worldwide! So, I truly believe those who didn't call themselves Prince 'fans' or 'fams' STILL felt his absence, and the only way to express their hurt is through attacking the opiod abuse situation.

Take it how you want it, but I can tell the world is hurt...

roxy831 said:

There's not much info out there, but I found this small article dated June 15 from Forbes discussing Fentanyl and Prince; it mostly talks about the drug itself and the production of it etc., however:

"Asked about the origins of the drug that Prince overdosed on, Rusty Payne, a DEA spokesperson, said the investigation is still ongoing."

Reference: http://www.forbes.com/sit...f199466517

I think that if it were a case of a simple OD where Prince took too much of legally obtained Fentanyl, the case would have been closed and the public notified that there was no finding of wrong doing. Since there has been no word, there must be more to investigate. I know that a lot of celebrities use aliases when getting Meds and even having doctor's visits. So, if there were aliases, the DEA would have to investigate in Minnesota and California, if not in other places. It will probably take a while.

tmo1965 said:

I think that if it were a case of a simple OD where Prince took too much of legally obtained Fentanyl, the case would have been closed and the public notified that there was no finding of wrong doing. Since there has been no word, there must be more to investigate. I know that a lot of celebrities use aliases when getting Meds and even having doctor's visits. So, if there were aliases, the DEA would have to investigate in Minnesota and California, if not in other places. It will probably take a while.

I agree with you on this.

The silence; it supports my theory.

funksterr said:

muleFunk said:

Anyone who has been a long time Prince watcher knows the man was a health nut and anti drug.

I'm not saying that he couldn't have been addicted to pain meds because millions of people are and he is no different but what I am saying is that something happened to get him to April 21.

Let me also say that after I saw the unedited Pepsi commercial shoot where Michael Jackson was burned I changed my mind on his situation.

When did Prince himself ever say he was anti-drugs? He may have. I don't really know. I just don't recall him saying it. However, I do recall him saying he was open to them.

In early interviews he spoke against drugs and of course there is Poplife which is antidrug, but he also did say that he was open to "new experiences" the problem with being in that business is you're surrounded by scuzzy ass people who have those issues and I don't care how strong you are, if you're surrounded by something, it makes it that much easier to be tempted. We do know of the Ingrid Chavez exstasy stories and there is a video of Prince ducking backstage and coming out to exhale a puff of smoke. other than that, there is scant evidence that he was heavily involved with street drugs outside of rumors. The rumors of Pills have been another matter however, those have been out there for about 12 years or so and they had the ring of truth. Still, I keep saying, most drug addicts slip up so bad there is no mistaking their behavior, I can't think of a time when Prince did that. In retrospect, yes, he did look pretty haggard in the last couple years but he didn't seem out of it at any time I've seen. Now, someone said there was a 2009 Leno appearance where he looked out of it but I couldn't find it. The oddest thing I saw was that he actually started looking his age. 57 is no spring chicken. I remember I had a daycare lady who when she was 55 I'd watch her arrive in a car to her house and just sit in the car, not moving, not talking, nothing, just sittting and seemingly trying to get the strength to get up and walk up the stairs, I remind myself of that when I think of Prince's actual age at the time of his death.

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said:

thank you for articulating what i couldn't. MEs look for physical causes for why someone is taking a medication. ++++this remeinds me of my dad's sudden death; he collapsed in the living room. got him to the ER and after tests they admitted him. they were putting him is his bed and he collapsed again and died. during post mortem they found his pancreas eaten up with cancer. OCofD cardiac arrest; other causes,pancreatic cancer.

--- I am sorry for your loss but I swear to God I think this is what was going on Prince. Giving away hoards of money, calling up people he had not spoken to in years, writing a book, trying to turn Paisley Park into a mususem and opening in concert with personal stories. The signs are there I hope when things settle down the family is forthcoming with more information.

What type of stories was he opening up about?

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said: --- I am sorry for your loss but I swear to God I think this is what was going on Prince. Giving away hoards of money, calling up people he had not spoken to in years, writing a book, trying to turn Paisley Park into a mususem and opening in concert with personal stories. The signs are there I hope when things settle down the family is forthcoming with more information.

What type of stories was he opening up about?

-------

Talking about his parents and how some of the songs were written. I mean his parents past away over 15 years ago why bring them up at concerts now? He was not known for discussing personal stuff like that.