databank said:

I do not question the honesty of your contribution but I would like to know what your source is for that legal loophole. I quickly researched it but found nothing but other people saying the same thing on various forums, which means no source.

Frankly, I can find no definitive source, either--so my apologies for presenting it as fact--but I've read it so frequently that I felt like I had seen a definitive source. There have been so many of these releases, for so many artists, for so long now, and they've been available from such legitimate sources (Amazon, Tower, etc.)--apparently without incurring the wrath of major labels and artists--that it makes it seem plausible that there must be some sort of loophole that allows for them to be quasi-legitimate grey-market releases (instead of true black-market bootlegs). There does not seem to be a similar flood of releases consisting of studio outtakes or rare material, which would be obvious bootlegs.

But I don't know. It is also possible that bootleggers have just gotten very devious about how they package live recordings, consistently managing to sell their products through legitimate channels. I would like to know the definitive truth myself.

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TwiliteKid said:

Junglehop said:

scratchtasia said:

databank said:

I do not question the honesty of your contribution but I would like to know what your source is for that legal loophole. I quickly researched it but found nothing but other people saying the same thing on various forums, which means no source.

Frankly, I can find no definitive source, either--so my apologies for presenting it as fact--but I've read it so frequently that I felt like I had seen a definitive source. There have been so many of these releases, for so many artists, for so long now, and they've been available from such legitimate sources (Amazon, Tower, etc.)--apparently without incurring the wrath of major labels and artists--that it makes it seem plausible that there must be some sort of loophole that allows for them to be quasi-legitimate grey-market releases (instead of true black-market bootlegs). There does not seem to be a similar flood of releases consisting of studio outtakes or rare material, which would be obvious bootlegs.

But I don't know. It is also possible that bootleggers have just gotten very devious about how they package live recordings, consistently managing to sell their products through legitimate channels. I would like to know the definitive truth myself.

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No need to apologize it's cool I think that

1/ Radio and TV broadcasts (as well as shows released on video format) are easier to find and better sound quality than the usual bootlegs (audience, leaked soundboards or outtakes - outtakes exist in the case of very few artists anyway), therefore more often bootlegged.

2/ It's easier to give them the appearance of legitimacy since they were originally official material as opposed to sheer boots (the fact that we're having this conversation proves it: we wouldn't have it if those CD's were Small Club or a Miami 94 boxset).

Also, the older the recordings the more likely there are loopholes in their copyright status (i.e. no one knows who owns the copyright, if anyone at all), hence the shitload of legitimate unauthorized jazz and early rock and roll recordings available even in record stores, but after the mid 60's things were usually clearer when it comes to ownership and rights.

Those "broadcast" releases just slip thru the cracks: too much material available online to check it all out. But I am absolutely convinced that artists and labels would have the legal power to shut those down any day if they so wished.

TwiliteKid said:

You spoke to the police? Did they tell you to get a fucking life?

TwiliteKid said:

You spoke to the police? Did they tell you to get a fucking life?

Read what debut at #97 on the following chart:

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/physical-albums-chart/

damn still 5 cds in top 100 after 8 weeks good

cryndove said:

Read what debut at #97 on the following chart:

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/physical-albums-chart/

Now this is getting weird

Since when do bootlegs chart?

The label is definitely a bootlegs label: https://www.discogs.com/f...or-Records

Patience. The estate -- especially now that McMillan is involved -- will have these pulled from all sources.

I almost feel bad for anyone that paid more than for them. Almost.

its weird how much black and grey market stuff shows up at amazon a few years ago i bought the Led Zeppelin 94 individual remasters and they were grey market argentinian garbage I'd avoid these Prince releases.... Amazon should know better Is Tower really alive? wow no idea

LMAO.....Who is this in the meme ??

NouveauDance said:

TwiliteKid said:

You spoke to the police? Did they tell you to get a fucking life?

databank said:

scratchtasia said:

While not authorized, they are not quite illegal. There is a loophole in European copyright law that allows for recorded public broadcasts to be legally released. There's been a flood of these kinds of releases for all sorts of artists lately. While these unauthorized titles may be of dubious origin and quality, they can be legally issued and sold.

Not in France they can't. IDK about the rest of Europe but AFAIK since the GATT accord of 1994 countries such as Italy that got away with bootlegging had to shut down bootleg labels, and it's been nearly impossible to find a bootleg in a French record store since about 1996 when police raided virtually every record store in the country.

I do not question the honesty of your contribution but I would like to know what your source is for that legal loophole. I quickly researched it but found nothing but other people saying the same thing on various forums, which means no source.

Theorically a broadcast should be the result of either the TV or radio channel buying the rights to air the show a certain number of times, or an unlimited right to air the recording over and over as they see fit. In any case this doesn't usually mean they can licence those rights to a third party for release. If there was truly a loophole in the law allowing anyone to release a show on the ground that it was once aired or broadcast it would mean that neither the artist not the TV/radio channel would be able to defend their copyright, which is totally unrealistic in modern Europe. The mere fact that those shows are always released by obscure, in fact non-existing labels is enough to show they are bootlegs: if anyone could release Rock In Rio or Tokyo or Syracuse then how come it's never Sony, WB or Universal? Similarly how come those shows appear the minute Prince has died? Because the bootleggers know there's a loophole... in time, between the moment P was able to defend his copyright and the time his estate is settled and his inherotors can ban those records from Amazon or Tower.

A more fascinating, and real loophole is the one used by the Music Vault (formerly Wolfgangsvault), a company that is perfectly legit and had managed to shut up the entire music industry in American courts and is now able to stream thousands of show without the artists' authorization, as long as they pay them some money (it seems, however, that they need the artist or label's consent to be able to sell those recordings for download).

Tower records is a chain if I am not mistaken. It should be illegal for them to sell bootlegs I am very certain of that. It's possible that Tower records does not know it's not official, since the record label distributes them as if were, but Tower Records is under duty usually to verify it's official stuff.

I have no clue why people think this is funny either.

the copyright owner would have to have proof of copyright violation to instigate criminal action against the infringer. some dumbass fan who has no authority to claim or prove copyright violations isn't going to get the SWAT team called in to raid a record store.

True, you just need to call Warner about the bootlegs in the record stores and I bet they will do something against it. Just give them a ring or mail them.

Another strange debut at #40 on the chart below:

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/independent-albums-chart/

This is interesting. I will check with Warner this week. It seems very odd to me.