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Thread started 06/14/16 12:10pm

speakeasy

Prince's relationship with his dad?

I'm very curious about Prince's relationship with his dad--after his fame.

We all know it was a very difficult relationship during Prince's childhood.

When did they reconcile?

Can someone remind me--what songs did they compose together? Do we know anything about their collaborations--other than they happened?

It's kind of weird to see the father dressing up like Prince in the 80's. Was that ever commented on?

And do we know anything about John L.'s passing in 2001? Were father and son still having a relationship then?

Thanks for any good info here!

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Reply #1 posted 06/14/16 12:18pm

Superfan1984

I don't think his dad was "dressing up like Prince" it was probably more likely that Prince got his fashion sense from his father. They were very much alike. Their relationship was very off and on, but I couldn't speak to the details of it.
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Reply #2 posted 06/14/16 12:24pm

avajane

He appeared to be a very strict father, but the fact that Prince dedicated his Piano and a Microphone tour to his father for everything he taught him is everything you need to know about Prince's feelings towards him. I think he was hurt by how strict his father was but he was able to realize that the discipline he grew up is part of the reason he was able to lead a prolific career. You need to be more than a genius to be successful, you need to have a good work ethic.
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Reply #3 posted 06/14/16 12:58pm

Superfan1984

Right. Also, during the Paisley Park show, he called his father, "his best friend"
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Reply #4 posted 06/14/16 1:17pm

PeteSilas

they had a falling out in the 90's, I'd assume they patched it up before the old man died.

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Reply #5 posted 06/14/16 3:52pm

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Reply #6 posted 06/15/16 7:15am

speakeasy

luv4u said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/409012


Thanks for the links. Here are the songwriting credits according to Wikipedia -->

John L. Nelson wrote (or co-wrote) some music which was released by Prince in the 1980s.

ASCAP credits, or co-credits, him with the following:

  • "Father's Song" and "Purple Rain Cues", from the film Purple Rain, 1984
  • "Computer Blue" from the Purple Rain album and film, 1984
  • "Around the World in a Day" (composed with David Coleman and Prince) and "The Ladder" (composed with Prince), from the album Around the World in a Day, 1985
  • "Christopher Tracy's Parade" (composed with Prince) and "Under the Cherry Moon" (composed with Prince) from the album Parade, 1986
  • "Under the Cherry Moon Cues" from the film Under the Cherry Moon, 1986
  • "Scandalous!" from the Batman album and film, 1989
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Reply #7 posted 06/15/16 7:22am

speakeasy

ROLLING STONE (1985)


PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

John Nelson turns sixty-nine today, and all the semiretired piano man wants for his birthday is to shoot some pool with his firstborn son. "He's real handy with a cue," says Prince, laughing, as he threads his old white T-bird through his old black neighborhood toward his old man's house. "He's so cool. The old man knows what time it is."

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The early facts, for the neo-Freudians: John Nelson, leader of the Prince Rogers jazz trio, knew Mattie Shaw from North Side community dances. A singer sixteen years John's junior, Mattie bore traces of Billie Holiday in her pipes and more than a trace of Indian and Caucasian in her blood. She joined the Prince Rogers trio, sang for a few years around town, married John Nelson and dropped out of the group. She nicknamed her husband after the band; the son who came in 1958 got the nickname on his birth certificate. At home and on the street, the kid was "Skipper." Mattie and John broke up ten years later, and Prince began his domestic shuttle.

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"That's where my mom lives," he says nonchalantly, nodding toward a neatly trimmed house and lawn. "My parents live very close by each other, but they don't talk. My mom's the wild side of me; she's like that all the time. My dad's real serene; it takes the music to get him going. My father and me, we're one and the same." A wry laugh. "He's a little sick, just like I am."

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Across the street from McDonald's, Prince spies a smaller landmark. He points to a vacant corner phone booth and remembers a teenage fight with a strict and unforgiving father. "That's where I called my dad and begged him to take me back after he kicked me out," he begins softly. "He said no, so I called my sister and asked her to ask him. So she did, and afterward told me that all I had to do was call him back, tell him I was sorry, and he's take me back. So I did, and he still said no. I sat crying at that phone booth for two hours. That's the last time I cried."

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In the years between that phone-booth breakdown and today's pool game came forgiveness. Says Prince, "Once I made it, got my first record contract, got my name on a piece of paper and a little money in my pocket, I was able to forgive. Once I was eating every day, I became a much nicer person."But it took many more years for the son to understand what a jazzman father needed to survive. Prince figured it out when he moved into his purple house.

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Prince pulls the T-Bird into an alley behind a street of neat frame houses, stops behind a wooden one-car garage and rolls down the window. Relaxing against a tree is a man who looks like Cab Calloway. Dressed in a crisp white suit, collar and tie, a trim and smiling John Nelson adjusts his best cuff links and waves. "Happy birthday," says the son. "Thanks," says the father, laughing. Nelson says he's not even allowing himself a piece of cake on his birthday. "No, not this year," he says with a shake of the head. Pointing at his son, Nelson continues, "I'm trying to take off ten pounds I put on while visiting him in Los Angeles. He eats like I want to eat, but exercises, which I certainly don't."

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Father then asks son if maybe he should drive himself to the pool game so he won't have to be hauled all the way back afterward. Prince says okay, and Nelson, chuckling, says to the stranger, "Hey, let me show you what I got for my birthday two years ago." He goes over to the garage and gives a tug on the door handle. Squeezed inside is a customized deep-purple BMW. On the rear seat is a copy of Prince's latest LP, Around the World in a Day. While the old man gingerly back the car out, Prince smiles. "He never drives that thing. He's afraid it's going to get dented." Looking at his own white T-Bird, Prince goes on: "He's always been that way. My father gave me this a few years ago. He bought it new in 1966. There were only 22,000 miles on it when I got it."

An ignition turns. "Wait," calls Prince, remembering something. He grabs a tape off the T-Bird seat and yells to his father, "I got something for you to listen to. Lisa [Coleman] and Wendy [Melvoin] have been working on these in L.A." Prince throws the tape, which the two female members of his band have mixed, and his father catches it with one hand. Nelson nods okay and pulls his car behind his son's in the alley. Closely tailing Prince through North Minneapolis, he waves and smiles whenever we look back. It's impossible to believe that the gun-toting geezer in Purple Rain was modeled after John Nelson.

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"That stuff about my dad was part of [director-cowriter] Al Magnoli's story," Prince explains. "We used parts of my past and present to make the story pop more, but it was a story. My dad wouldn't have nothing to do with guns. He never swore, still doesn't, and never drinks." Prince looks in his rearview mirror at the car tailing him. "He don't look sixty-nine, do he? He's so cool. He's got girlfriends, lots of 'em."

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Nearing the turnoff that leads from Minneapolis to suburban Eden Prairie, Prince flips in another tape and peeks in the rearview mirror. John Nelson is still right behind. "It's real hard for my father to show emotion," says Prince, heading onto the highway. "He never says, 'I love you,' and when we hug or something, we bang our heads together like in some Charlie Chaplin movie. But a while ago, he was telling me how I always had to be careful. My father told me, 'If anything happens to you, I'm gone.' All I thought at first was that it was a real nice thing to say. But then I thought about it for a while and realized something. That was my father's way of saying 'I love you.'"

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A few minutes later, Prince and his father pull in front of the Warehouse, a concrete barn in an Eden Prairie industrial park. Inside, the Family, a rock-funk band that Prince has been working with, is pounding out new songs and dance routines. The group is as tight as ace drummer Jellybean Johnson's pants. At the end of one hot number, Family members fall on their backs, twitching like fried eggs.

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Prince and his father enter to hellos from the still-gyrating band. Prince goes over to a pool table by the soundboard, racks the balls and shimmies to the beat of the Family's next song. Taking everything in, John Nelson gives a professional nod to the band, his son's rack job and his own just-chalked cue. He hitches his shoulders, takes aim and breaks like Minnesota Fats. A few minutes later, the band is still playing and the father is still shooting. Prince, son to this father and father to this band, is smiling.

ROLLING STONE, APRIL 26TH, 1985

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Reply #8 posted 06/15/16 7:37am

speakeasy

Also from the previous thread link provided by Love4u -->

hopefularranger's post regarding some of the John L. songwriting credits:

It's commonly believed (by those who were around at the time) that Prince's dad did not contribute any musical input to these songs. Neither, it is asserted, did he contribute to "Christopher Tracy's Parade" nor "Around the World in a Day" - two other pieces for which he is co-credited. The longheld belief is that Prince credited John as means to generate automatic recurrent income for him.

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