Thinking about what his life must have been like always reminds me of this line from Breakfast at Tiffany's...

"You call yourself a free spirit, a 'wild thing,' and you're terrified somebody's gonna stick you in a cage. Well baby, you're already in that cage. You built it yourself. And it's not bounded in the west by Tulip, Texas, or in the east by Somali-land. It's wherever you go. Because no matter where you run, you just end up running into yourself."

Of course, we all build our own cages, so there's nothing unusual about that. His was a little more gilded than ours, but it was a cage, nonetheless.

I miss the man but like Smokey Robinson said a few mos ago, that there are so many people in the world that need just one person to love them that the kanye's etc.., are ridiculous. I've known many people to die alone, sometimes they do it to themselves but it's sad nonetheless. Prince was truly loved by so many. I feel bad for whatever pain he was going through but not any kind of loneliness really, I just can't feel bad for him in that area. I tend to think he like loneliness.

cardinal said:

Superfan1984 said:

I don't know if I would say that Mani was his true love-- I've said on here many times I do not like her and feel she was an opportunist-- but it was evident that he sincerely loved her -- Not that she was his one and only but I do feel that, after her, it seemed clear he'd given up on that kind of love and forever relationship. (No other relationships seemed very deep ) but, yes, What an amazing life!! Would be wonderful to come and do all that you can do and leave feeling so satisfied with what you've accomplished- he HAD to feel that!

I remember standing in line with her outside Paisley Park to see Prince, listen to music etc.

She was a classic fan/stalker that got her man.

tollyc said:

Superfan1984 said:

I don't know if I would say that Mani was his true love-- I've said on here many times I do not like her and feel she was an opportunist-- but it was evident that he sincerely loved her -- Not that she was his one and only but I do feel that, after her, it seemed clear he'd given up on that kind of love and forever relationship. (No other relationships seemed very deep ) but, yes, What an amazing life!! Would be wonderful to come and do all that you can do and leave feeling so satisfied with what you've accomplished- he HAD to feel that!

I remember standing in line with her outside Paisley Park to see Prince, listen to music etc.

She was a classic fan/stalker that got her man.

what makes you say that? Just curious.

anangellooksdown said:

cardinal said:

PeteSilas said:

tollyc said:

I remember standing in line with her outside Paisley Park to see Prince, listen to music etc.

She was a classic fan/stalker that got her man.

what makes you say that? Just curious.

She was a fan who´d post on alt.music.prince back in the day, discuss bootlegs and stuff.

I briefly spoke with her while she was working at the merchandise stand right before a concert because I accidentally sneaked into the venue (the doors were open) and stayed inside. Prince was there, too.

She was quite nice and friendly. I understand why org folks dislike her, and even Prince wrote some not so nice lines about her (I think the "Cinderella was a waste of time....now ooops she´s out the door ...." line in Future Baby Mama was a thinly veiled reference to her.

But as far as I can tell, from a musical point of view, Prince started playing some rare songs while he was with her, the ONA tour was great and I got the impression she influenced him quite a lot back then, and the celebrations were also a great idea that she might have inspired.

Sure, it is a bit weird that a fan married her idol but ....so what?

Many celebrities marry not so famous people...see Nicolas Cage who married a waitress.

Plus Mani has a college degree and is quite smart.

I´m not here to defend her as a person because I don´t know her but in hindsight, she had quite a positive influence on him, at least as far as the music and liveshows are concerned.

But of course I could be wrong.

anangellooksdown said:

I've been feeling in the last few days like Prince didn't have a deep love after his 2nd wife, and as though he was really happy with her and hurt when she left. I don't put a lot of stocks in psychics but I did hear one that seemed spot on, meaning my instincts picked up that she was right, that he is happier where he is now and had been lonely, and that he hadn't had a deep love in a long, long time. On the other hand I realized today how much he LIVED. He lived a great, fulfilling life that was SO interesting. So I guess that's a very good thing. Looking at pics and listening to his music it seems he really dug his 2nd wife. I hope he didn't close his heart after that, or maybe he just didn't find another great love afterwards - or maybe he did?

Mani is that you?

Not everyone finds true love. That's life. But its true, he did live a fulfulling life. Not everyone gets to making a living carrying out their passion.

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anangellooksdown said:

anangellooksdown said:

sonshine said:

cardinal said:

i go back to the only ways he spoke to us in his own words.. through interviews and his music. and from both over the past few years, he did sing about love and longing and told rs that he channeled his feelings into the music. he also said in 2014 that he did not know if he would marry again that it was up to God. but he seemed open to it, but it had to be "the right person." so it does not sound like his heart was closed he just wanted to be sure it was truly the right person for him. and since religion was so important to him, i imagine that it would have to be somebody who shares that conviction in the same way. he also said in 2014 that he was putting personal needs on the back burner and focusing on the music. i truly believe that God and music were his true loves and he always had them. i think a loving and supportive partner would have been nice, but with all the trauma he had endured in life, maybe he was happier alone. i know some people who are so badly damaged they say that the pain of being hurt in close relationships is harder to bear than the sometimes loneliness of being alone. and he certainly could have people around whenever he wanted. he had friends and collaborators. i have watched the most recent performances i could find and except for the emotional p and m performance in atlanta, he looked and sounded to be truly happy performing. maybe that was where his true happiness always was.

Also , he may have been sensitive to how much of himself he really could give. This seemed to be an issue in his prior relationships. He was basically married to the music, and as he got into his mid 50's perhaps he wasn't really wanting a wife or kids anymore. His focus seemed to have evolved to religion. I kind of find it fascinanting how he continued to evolve. He did come across as a little lonely, tho. (and self-isolating..)

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anangellooksdown said:

sonshine said:

I'm sure it did sting a little being the one dumped since Prince was the one doing the dumping up until then. He seemed happy but she did the research and put a lot of effort into being everything he wanted or needed in a woman at that point in his life. It was all a facade tho and I would like to believe he figured her out eventually. The story I heard was that he had basically quit communicating with her so she felt she had no choice but to get out. I'm glad that relationship failed if it was as all a fake from the beginning. And my son reminded me this morning when I was feeling particularly sad about prince's passing that yes it's sad he left too soon but he put more into and got more out of his years on earth than most anyone else could do it twice the amount of time.

Why did he stop communicating with her? How can you live with someone and not speak to them? Well actually...I guess people do it.

Have you ever been married? 'Nuf said.

mimi1956 said:

anangellooksdown said:

sonshine said: Why did he stop communicating with her? How can you live with someone and not speak to them? Well actually...I guess people do it.

Have you ever been married? 'Nuf said.

Sometimes no relationship is better than one that doesn't work.

"He didnt need those girls anyway"

that hollywood ex's show keeps getting pushed up into my youtube recommendations and I checked out the clip of Mani and Mayte meeting for lunch,probably edited as all hell but between the slightly suspect charity/school stuff Mani is doing using his name and her comments to Mayte at the lunch I don't get a good impression! again, edited as hell but her talking about the connection she has with her newborn when she is breastfeeding, telling Mayte about that. if the context is not altered by the editing then that was such poor taste

Lilly1234 said:

Superfan1984 said:

anangellooksdown said:

cardinal said:

i go back to the only ways he spoke to us in his own words.. through interviews and his music. and from both over the past few years, he did sing about love and longing and told rs that he channeled his feelings into the music. he also said in 2014 that he did not know if he would marry again that it was up to God. but he seemed open to it, but it had to be "the right person." so it does not sound like his heart was closed he just wanted to be sure it was truly the right person for him. and since religion was so important to him, i imagine that it would have to be somebody who shares that conviction in the same way. he also said in 2014 that he was putting personal needs on the back burner and focusing on the music. i truly believe that God and music were his true loves and he always had them. i think a loving and supportive partner would have been nice, but with all the trauma he had endured in life, maybe he was happier alone. i know some people who are so badly damaged they say that the pain of being hurt in close relationships is harder to bear than the sometimes loneliness of being alone. and he certainly could have people around whenever he wanted. he had friends and collaborators. i have watched the most recent performances i could find and except for the emotional p and m performance in atlanta, he looked and sounded to be truly happy performing. maybe that was where his true happiness always was.

Where did he say he doesn't know if e would get married again and it's up to God?Is there an interview you saw that on? I'd love to see it. I missed that one.

It was a lost Rolling Stone interview. Brilliant interview.

I do believe that Prince had found love in his life, after his last marriage. I believe that people overlook who it is because they do not know much about her, but if I know correctly-have seen deeply, and understand how privacy works, I know just who a very special young lady was to him. That interview said it all, and people do not know, which may be good, because I think they were both incredibly private. (Not personally by any means, but musically and artistically I know who she is) I think that as he grew more into faith, he grew more into personhood and his true purpose in music. There were many women, I'm sure, who got their heart stolen, literally, by Prince. I'm sure in some way, it happened to him as well. I do believe though that if he had lived (we will now never know), he would have been with a life-partner.

Sure, I know Judith Hill and the Andy Allo's were a part of his life and creative life, but I do think deep down, Prince was soul searching for a long while. I think realizations, and maturity. I do think he reflected back on his life and past love, like Denise. (No, I'm not dreaming about such occurrence) I say so with perfect reasoning, otherwise it would not have troubled him so much at the dedicated shows.

The interview with Rolling Stone was great, because he was very honest. He called marriage some sort of gravity, a void. You get sucked in and it's very hard to come out of, temporary marriages.

It's unfortunate but I think that he found love in many ways, looking back (something he priorly never did), continued to morph and help young artists and those trying to be, continuing is music, and just being himself. While I know people have fantasies of him rekindling with his ex-wives, he was much better off without them. It's very sad to see a woman who has never moved on, while he found God, and speaks of him as she is a widow. That's very sad to me. Luckily Manuela is married, so this hurts in another way, I'm sure.

I do not judge her for seemingly being an opportunist, but I do. It is said she loved Prince dearly, and was an avid fan. Being a fan doesn't mean being an opportunist, I only used that word because in hindsight, he gave her this platform to come into this world of entertainment; even though he was just a musician. She ended up lucky, with another musician. Prince made her life, really.

wizardtelly said:

anangellooksdown said:

cardinal said: Where did he say he doesn't know if e would get married again and it's up to God?Is there an interview you saw that on? I'd love to see it. I missed that one.

It was a lost Rolling Stone interview. Brilliant interview.

I do believe that Prince had found love in his life, after his last marriage. I believe that people overlook who it is because they do not know much about her, but if I know correctly-have seen deeply, and understand how privacy works, I know just who a very special young lady was to him. That interview said it all, and people do not know, which may be good, because I think they were both incredibly private. (Not personally by any means, but musically and artistically I know who she is) I think that as he grew more into faith, he grew more into personhood and his true purpose in music. There were many women, I'm sure, who got their heart stolen, literally, by Prince. I'm sure in some way, it happened to him as well. I do believe though that if he had lived (we will now never know), he would have been with a life-partner.

Sure, I know Judith Hill and the Andy Allo's were a part of his life and creative life, but I do think deep down, Prince was soul searching for a long while. I think realizations, and maturity. I do think he reflected back on his life and past love, like Denise. (No, I'm not dreaming about such occurrence) I say so with perfect reasoning, otherwise it would not have troubled him so much at the dedicated shows.

The interview with Rolling Stone was great, because he was very honest. He called marriage some sort of gravity, a void. You get sucked in and it's very hard to come out of, temporary marriages.

It's unfortunate but I think that he found love in many ways, looking back (something he priorly never did), continued to morph and help young artists and those trying to be, continuing is music, and just being himself. While I know people have fantasies of him rekindling with his ex-wives, he was much better off without them. It's very sad to see a woman who has never moved on, while he found God, and speaks of him as she is a widow. That's very sad to me. Luckily Manuela is married, so this hurts in another way, I'm sure.

I do not judge her for seemingly being an opportunist, but I do. It is said she loved Prince dearly, and was an avid fan. Being a fan doesn't mean being an opportunist, I only used that word because in hindsight, he gave her this platform to come into this world of entertainment; even though he was just a musician. She ended up lucky, with another musician. Prince made her life, really.

I didn't interpet what he said that way at all. I took it that he had to be literally drawn in as if beyond his control to do it again.

morningsong said:

Uh - Don't remember anything in that RS interview about a "void" or a "temporary marriage". He said that when love came around for him again it would be because MAGNETISM would pull him towards the person and it would be irresistable.