Long story short: We may not get the answers we seek.

http://www.mprnews.org/st...-be-public

The article reveals nothing and is a waste of time.

PurplePerson said:

The article reveals nothing and is a waste of time.

The audio?

Just heard this and I tend to like the Minneapolis law regarding what they will share

She says we most likely will hear the results this week....yikes

PurplePerson said:

The article reveals nothing and is a waste of time.

Ummmm...you have to listen to it.

According the reporter, the cause of death could be released this week. However, under Minnesota law, only the cause and manner of death and basic demographic data will be released. The details of toxicology and autopsy will not be automatically released. The family would get the complete report, so if Tyka or other family members choose to release the complete report, they can. So I wonder how much TMZ will be willing to pay for the complete report?

[Edited 5/31/16 12:25pm]

tmo1965 said:

Thanks for the information. I'm sure the media outlets are preparing their FOIA petitions as we speak.

endiadj said:

they better not sell his results to tmz or anyone. truly would be a low class move, but people desperate for money would sell their souls.

I have a strange feeling about Tyka. I think she will sell it. She doesn't seem at all bothered by his passing. She probably feels like she deserves the money after the shitty life she was dealt. And maybe she does deserve it.

babynoz said:

Thanks for the information. I'm sure the media outlets are preparing their FOIA petitions as we speak.

That would be a curious move given that FOIA doesn't apply to MN state or local agencies.

BanishedBrian said:

babynoz said:

Thanks for the information. I'm sure the media outlets are preparing their FOIA petitions as we speak.

That would be a curious move given that FOIA doesn't apply to MN state or local agencies.

You sure about that???? Every state has their own FOIA laws.

https://www.revisor.mn.go.../?id=13.83

babynoz said:

Thanks for the information. I'm sure the media outlets are preparing their FOIA petitions as we speak.

I had exactly the same thought.

babynoz said:

gigilamorosa said:

babynoz said:

You sure about that???? Every state has their own FOIA laws.

https://www.revisor.mn.go.../?id=13.83

Every state has their own FOIA laws, but most states have restrictions around what can/can't be released. Especially when it comes to autopsy results, and autopsy/crime scene photos. .

Did you even read the link I posted? I've been doing this for over 25 years.

Subd. 7.Court review.

Any person may petition the district court located in the county where medical examiner data is being maintained to authorize disclosure of nonpublic, protected nonpublic, or confidential medical examiner data. The petitioner shall notify the medical examiner or coroner. The court may notify other interested persons and require their presence at a hearing. A hearing may be held immediately if the parties agree, and in any event shall be held as soon as practicable. After examining the data in camera, the court may order disclosure of the data if it determines that disclosure would be in the public interest.

Genesia said:

babynoz said:

Thanks for the information. I'm sure the media outlets are preparing their FOIA petitions as we speak.

I had exactly the same thought.

I know, right?

I don't say something if I don't know what I'm talking about. If I don't know, I ask.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=13.83

Subd. 5.Other data on deceased individuals.

All other medical examiner data on deceased individuals are nonpublic and shall not be disclosed except:

(1) pursuant to the provisions of chapter 390, or any other general or local law on county coroners or medical examiners;

(2) to a state or federal agency charged by law with investigating the death of the deceased individual about whom the medical examiner or coroner has medical examiner data; or

(3) pursuant to a valid court order.

3rdeyedude said:

3rdeyedude said:

endiadj said:

they better not sell his results to tmz or anyone. truly would be a low class move, but people desperate for money would sell their souls.

I don't get all the need for secrecy, since the man is dead. Many reports on the death of celebrities have been released and seen by the world, and so what? What are people going to do if they do see it......absolutely nothing! They will do what they did with all the other celebrity death certificates they've seen, possibly read it, with most not even understanding all the medical jargon they read, and move on! Really, it's the people surrounding Prince death, that's causing all the intrigue, leading the media sharks to search for blood in the water, where there may not be any, wondering if anything, what they have to hide.

babynoz said:

BanishedBrian said:

That would be a curious move given that FOIA doesn't apply to MN state or local agencies.

You sure about that???? Every state has their own FOIA laws.

https://www.revisor.mn.go.../?id=13.83

Yes, I am sure. MN has a Data Practices Act, not a Freedom of Information Act. The rules are different.

BanishedBrian said:

babynoz said:

You sure about that???? Every state has their own FOIA laws.

https://www.revisor.mn.go.../?id=13.83

Yes, I am sure. MN has a Data Practices Act, not a Freedom of Information Act. The rules are different.

Sorry but you can't save face by arguing semantics after trying to be a smartass. You are just stating the obvious by saying the rules are different because it's common knowledge that laws vary from state to state.

It still falls under the heading of FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.


Stop dick waving and READ.

Minnesota Freedom of Information

The Minnesota Data Practices Act is a series of laws designed to guarantee that the public has access to the public records of government bodies at all levels in the state. The Minnesota Data Practices Act “establishes a presumption that government data are public and are accessible by the public for both inspection and copying unless there is federal law, a state statute, or a temporary classification of data that provides that certain data are not public.” Moreover, Minnesota law requires the dissemination of information with regard to procedures for DPA requests within each department.

Section 471.705 of the Minnesota Statutes provides the Minnesota Open Meeting Law. It legislates the methods by which public meetings are conducted. The act requires that all minutes, including subjects discussed and votes, be recorded in a journal and made available for public viewing during normal business hours at the public agencies office. Furthermore, the act permits the use of telecommunication methods so long as it does not infringe on the public’s right to participate and every member of the body can be seen and heard by all other members.

Minnesota Freedom of Information

it'll come out one way or the other, always does. Elvis' autopsy was sealed but people talk, that includes the coroners, nurses and doctors. The tricky part is, doctors are only human and they lie and decieve as much as anyone. I mentioned on here about Bruce Lee's death being ruled as being caused by equagesic with the primary reason being, that the cannibis which had caused a violent, allergic reaction in him previously, would have gotten his life insurance cancelled as he swore he didn't take illegal drugs. therefore, the docs did the dependents a favor but it looks as though it wasn't true. I just read another article on Elvis' death where the doctor seems to be trying to propogate the idea that Elvis' troubles all started with brain injury's. I don't believe that, possible, but I think the guy is just trying to grind his own axe. (ironically, Elvis took percocets too).

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

BanishedBrian said:

Yes, I am sure. MN has a Data Practices Act, not a Freedom of Information Act. The rules are different.

Sorry but you can't save face by arguing semantics after trying to be a smartass. You are just stating the obvious by saying the rules are different because it's common knowledge that laws vary from state to state.

It still falls under the heading of FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.


Stop dick waving and READ.

Minnesota Freedom of Information

The Minnesota Data Practices Act is a series of laws designed to guarantee that the public has access to the public records of government bodies at all levels in the state. The Minnesota Data Practices Act “establishes a presumption that government data are public and are accessible by the public for both inspection and copying unless there is federal law, a state statute, or a temporary classification of data that provides that certain data are not public.” Moreover, Minnesota law requires the dissemination of information with regard to procedures for DPA requests within each department.

Section 471.705 of the Minnesota Statutes provides the Minnesota Open Meeting Law. It legislates the methods by which public meetings are conducted. The act requires that all minutes, including subjects discussed and votes, be recorded in a journal and made available for public viewing during normal business hours at the public agencies office. Furthermore, the act permits the use of telecommunication methods so long as it does not infringe on the public’s right to participate and every member of the body can be seen and heard by all other members.

Minnesota Freedom of Information

Yes, I will admit that my original post was mostly for the purpose of being a smartass... I've actually represented the government in FOIA litigation. In MN, you do not make a "FOIA" request - the statute in question never uses that term, and is drafted completely different than the federal FOIA statute (and state copies thereof). I don't what heading you are copy and pasting, but it's not from the State of MN.

In any event, to the substance, the MN Data Practices Act provides that certain death-related info is public. The rest is classified as private information, which you can only obtain via obtaining a court order on the basis of disclosure being in the public interest. That's a completely different process than what you do under FOIA (or state equivalents), where you request public records directly from agencies, and then only go to court if the agency fails to provide information that they are compelled to disclose. In addition, the legal standard is completely different (FOIA requires the government to disclose all records unless they fit under one of nine specific exemptions - the default is disclosure unless the government finds a relevant exception. By contrast, the MN statute defines certain information as private and there is no pathway to getting it directly from the agency - the default is non-disclosure (which default only changes when you seek court disclosure).

I will cease with further smartassery on the subject.

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=13.83

Subd. 5.Other data on deceased individuals.

All other medical examiner data on deceased individuals are nonpublic and shall not be disclosed except:

(1) pursuant to the provisions of chapter 390, or any other general or local law on county coroners or medical examiners;

(2) to a state or federal agency charged by law with investigating the death of the deceased individual about whom the medical examiner or coroner has medical examiner data; or

(3) pursuant to a valid court order.

---- So if I understand this correctly the only way all of the info gets out as with a court order or criminal investigation.

even if it doesn't come out soon, it eventually will. The one thing people need is an answer, if for nothing else, just to quell the rumors which are going every which a way and will never die without a definitive answer. I mentioned Bruce Lee and to this day, rumors of a death curse, a fight, murder, hard drugs are all believed to have caused his death, partly because the coroners weren't totally honest te first time.

1contessa said:

another reason, is that maybe someday people will learn that you can't take drugs lightly. Elvis has saved lives I'm sure, some people will look at that and not want anything to do with drugs.

endiadj said:

they better not sell his results to tmz or anyone. truly would be a low class move, but people desperate for money would sell their souls.

^

THIS!

BanishedBrian said:

babynoz said:

Sorry but you can't save face by arguing semantics after trying to be a smartass. You are just stating the obvious by saying the rules are different because it's common knowledge that laws vary from state to state.

It still falls under the heading of FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.


Stop dick waving and READ.

Minnesota Freedom of Information

The Minnesota Data Practices Act is a series of laws designed to guarantee that the public has access to the public records of government bodies at all levels in the state. The Minnesota Data Practices Act “establishes a presumption that government data are public and are accessible by the public for both inspection and copying unless there is federal law, a state statute, or a temporary classification of data that provides that certain data are not public.” Moreover, Minnesota law requires the dissemination of information with regard to procedures for DPA requests within each department.

Section 471.705 of the Minnesota Statutes provides the Minnesota Open Meeting Law. It legislates the methods by which public meetings are conducted. The act requires that all minutes, including subjects discussed and votes, be recorded in a journal and made available for public viewing during normal business hours at the public agencies office. Furthermore, the act permits the use of telecommunication methods so long as it does not infringe on the public’s right to participate and every member of the body can be seen and heard by all other members.

Minnesota Freedom of Information

Yes, I will admit that my original post was mostly for the purpose of being a smartass... I've actually represented the government in FOIA litigation. In MN, you do not make a "FOIA" request - the statute in question never uses that term, and is drafted completely different than the federal FOIA statute (and state copies thereof). I don't what heading you are copy and pasting, but it's not from the State of MN.

In any event, to the substance, the MN Data Practices Act provides that certain death-related info is public. The rest is classified as private information, which you can only obtain via obtaining a court order on the basis of disclosure being in the public interest. That's a completely different process than what you do under FOIA (or state equivalents), where you request public records directly from agencies, and then only go to court if the agency fails to provide information that they are compelled to disclose. In addition, the legal standard is completely different (FOIA requires the government to disclose all records unless they fit under one of nine specific exemptions - the default is disclosure unless the government finds a relevant exception. By contrast, the MN statute defines certain information as private and there is no pathway to getting it directly from the agency - the default is non-disclosure (which default only changes when you seek court disclosure).

I will cease with further smartassery on the subject.

I'm generally familiar with the procedures from state to state and was using the term broadly, not in reference to the federal laws but in a casual conversation on a message board. I'm sure you knew that though.

Is your real agenda just having an excuse to tell everybody that you represented the gov't in FOIA litigation? If so that's peachy except the thread isn't about you.


Not sure why you'd rather use people to grandstand then have a civil discussion but next time you might want to check your ego at the door.

Better yet, try replying on the article that was posted instead of looking for opportunities to show off.