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Reply #30 posted 06/01/16 4:16pm

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RiotPaisley said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

I thought Vernon's comment on "Christopher" running away from the older black woman was interesting. He said he was offended by that, but then said it was possibile that P might have had a sexual situation with a older woman in his youth. And that scene might have reflected that. I never saw that scene in that light, but it puts a new take on it.

I honestly never read it that way and I find it so interesting that people did. I'm white though... But I thought she represented his mother. Weird I know but like I thought well he was kinda dogging women and then his mom turns around and it's not really his mom but like a combo of his mom saying something a scorned lover would say though I don't remember what she said. Wasn't it like Christopher call me sometime. You know, like those dreams you have where you see someone but they have a different voice or say something they wouldn't normally. I hate to hear about stuff like that. I find the discussions of Prince and race hella interesting and informative. I for one appreciate perspectives outside of my white experience.

It's funny. Was just watching the film the other day. I thought he just had too much to drink and the alcohol was making him have a nightmare or something. Like if he did not get his head on straight, he was going to lose the rich white woman and end up with this fat Jamaican woman.

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Reply #31 posted 06/01/16 4:34pm

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3rdeyedude said:

RiotPaisley said:

SPYZFAN1 said: I honestly never read it that way and I find it so interesting that people did. I'm white though... But I thought she represented his mother. Weird I know but like I thought well he was kinda dogging women and then his mom turns around and it's not really his mom but like a combo of his mom saying something a scorned lover would say though I don't remember what she said. Wasn't it like Christopher call me sometime. You know, like those dreams you have where you see someone but they have a different voice or say something they wouldn't normally. I hate to hear about stuff like that. I find the discussions of Prince and race hella interesting and informative. I for one appreciate perspectives outside of my white experience.

It's funny. Was just watching the film the other day. I thought he just had too much to drink and the alcohol was making him have a nightmare or something. Like if he did not get his head on straight, he was going to lose the rich white woman and end up with this fat Jamaican woman.

Right.

I'll tell you what, 'Mrs Wellington' does it for me. If i was Christopher I'd have gone for that.

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Reply #32 posted 06/01/16 5:09pm

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"'Mrs Wellington' does it for me".........Hell yeah! She was fine.

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Reply #33 posted 06/01/16 5:29pm

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Interesting how the audience member who is an attorney brought up the appointed trust allowing DNA tests on random individuals. Cited Barry White's estate and said they did not allow anyone who was not recognized before his death as an heir null and void. She seemed to think P's administrators are amateurs.

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Reply #34 posted 06/01/16 7:27pm

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Interesting how the audience member who is an attorney brought up the appointed trust allowing DNA tests on random individuals. Cited Barry White's estate and said they did not allow anyone who was not recognized before his death as an heir null and void. She seemed to think P's administrators are amateurs.



Oh no!!! I hope not. Nothing more depressing than piss poor legal teams...

I thought it seemed a bit odd - they are even running ads in Louisiana papers for relations there. I thought that was a bit much. Barry White wasn't from Minnesota though was he so maybe it's just the way the law is there.
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Reply #35 posted 06/01/16 7:43pm

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The older woman asked Christopher when they were going to hook up again. The lighting, her laugh and expression to me was comical. Interesting that you thought it represented his mom..I think with Christopher being drunk and seeing her freaked him out..Maybe she was someone he forgot he had a rendevous with?...It's funny because years later P asked Mel B. (in that interview) why was she labeled the "scary" one when there was nothing scary about her. I kind of saw where he was going with that, but he didn't go into it too deep.



Yeah I thought maybe he was feeling guilty for being such a player and saw his mamma like you better knock it off! Definitely a dream or drunken blur. Maybe it was someone else he had been with and he just saw his mamma. I don't know how I came up with that.

Good point about Scary Spice. Never thought about it that way. I wasn't into them but I thought she was just a wild one. Interesting subtext. He was very sharp. I bet there's a lot more to that conversation... I just googled to see when the band split and this came up. She owned that name- http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=25594639

But I guess it's scary in general for a girl to be loud and opinionated I get what you mean though.
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Reply #36 posted 06/01/16 9:22pm

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Probably Louisiana bambulance chasers running those ads trying to get a piece of the action. They love to litigate and all 4 of Prince's grandparents were from here. 100+ people can claim dibs on property via "forced estate".


Also loved the video of Miles Davis talking about Prince having 4 influences - James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye and Charlie Chaplin. Pretty much sums it up along with straight up shaman - takes one to know one.

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Reply #37 posted 06/01/16 9:38pm

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wizardtelly said:

I'm 35 minutes in and this is fantastic.

I just want to clarify something about UTCM as I haven't seen it. I understand where the guy who said he felt the pain of the black girls in the room whilst watching that scene was coming from.

As a young black woman I can only speak for myself and I am aware that we are a diverse group of people of differing origins, lineages, tribes, and so on. However, I deal with intense self-esteem issues. Growing up, and now still growing into adulthood, I see the preferential treatment of the "ambiguous" females who may be black but of certain descent. I see how hurtful it can be to not be considered attractive as a "regular" black girl. I have an older sister who is beautiful and just so happens to be of that prized type, and I was always compared to her. I always felt invisible. I wasn't as good,in my eyes and through the ignorance of some of my Jamaican family: I was justified. It was painful, and definitely troubles me now when it comes to who and what I believe will find me attractive. Prince was known to love beautiful women of all kinds, but aside from Vanity (because in my opinion she looked black though people would consider it still ambiguous) I think he sought someone who could be many things, and for many woc that hurts. The feeling of being invisible or not good enough for him wasn't/isn't an odd things based on what he put forth. I think that is a huge reason why people were thrown off about Damaris Lewis and him being friends, not to insinuate that he was in any way racist, it just so happened (maybe purposely) that he chose certain types over others. To me that was deliberate, as it happened all too often. All in all, brilliant panel so far. Thanks for posting this!

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Reply #38 posted 06/02/16 7:38am

migmigmig

Really enjoyed watching this! Even recognized a personal friend asking one of the audience questions.

Man, it was great when Greg Tate shut Toure *down* within the first five minutes. That set the tone that the event was going to be something better and deeper than the kind of repetitive hagiography that Toure is always pimpin.

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Reply #39 posted 06/02/16 9:32am

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Always enjoyed reading Greg Tate's commentary in The Voice. He hits it right on the head...One thing that hit home for me was Vernon's take on the unreleased music. He said;"Imagine what our reactions are going to be once that music is released?...There could be another "W.D.C" & "Purple Rain" and other hits that we've never heard..That's when we're going to realize that he's gone".

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Reply #40 posted 06/02/16 12:59pm

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Agree with the Toure comments. He was born on TV news when MJ died and they needed a body. Notice his body language too. Had his back to Vernon Reid the entire time.

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