1. "Pop" is not limited to teenagers - adults listen to "popular music." Today we split hairs and call it adult contemporary, but it's still pop. It's not "avant garde."
2. Nah, wearing matching suits and haircuts were their big selling point as a live act. Kidding. Best live act on the planet? Beg to differ. Most televised, maybe. You're trolling another thread making similar claims about Elvis.
3. Tomato/tom-ah-to. Prince set out to do something innovative and he pulled it off, if you don't like the result, that doesn't change him succeeding at what he wanted to do, and doing it first.
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The shortest, best answer I can give you comes from "200 Balloons", where Prince says "My funk is multi-layered". | |
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that article was a good read, thanks for posting the link! . for people who didn't read the article I thought this was an interesting anecdote someone recalled :"An anecdote from Teena Marie was that when she and Prince were both the opening acts on Rick James' Fire It Up tour Rick was so enamored of Prince's personally programmed synth sounds that after the tour he ended up taking Prince's synthesizers (without Prince's permission or knowledge) and using the sounds on the Street Songs recording session before sending them back to Prince with a thank you note. " . didn't know that about Street Songs [Edited 5/31/16 10:12am] | |
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that article was a good read, thanks for posting the link! . for people who didn't read the article I thought this was an interesting anecdote someone recalled :"An anecdote from Teena Marie was that when she and Prince were both the opening acts on Rick James' Fire It Up tour Rick was so enamored of Prince's personally programmed synth sounds that after the tour he ended up taking Prince's synthesizers (without Prince's permission or knowledge) and using the sounds on the Street Songs recording session before sending them back to Prince with a thank you note. " . didn't know that about Street Songs [Edited 5/31/16 10:12am] what exactly does personally created synth sounds refer to? does that mean musical sequences created from synth instruments or that prince created actual custom sound types? ive recently started learning how to use an mpc, so i know you can take samples from anywhere, or import piano/synth lines or individual notes str8 from an instrument, but you can synthesize your own sounds?? "Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE | |
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Man, they removed it. I am sad...that was beautiful. I think Prince made a mistake about this youtube thing for the sake of his career...but that's just my opinion. Besides, we poorer people can't hear anything except if it's on youtube...it's not a matter of trying to rip off anyone...it's a matter of people not having money to buy things in this world and current economy. I am not trying to rip off anyone. I just make very little money, and this gives the poorer people of the world a way to enjoy music, too. Golly, music is one of my greatest joys in life. I'm glad Rachmaninoff and Samuel Barber aren't so strict. | |
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Lol. That's all he did eh? 1. That's like saying McCartney only wrote sugary melodies about meter maids, barbers and Uncle Albert.
2. That's called innovation. Man, you are so wedded to the past. If you can't see Prince's compositional abilities either there's nothing left to say. The ballad of Dorothy Parker is a compositional masterclass. As well as being sonically brilliant.
I love the Beatles, but without George Martin they would have been half the band they were. Lennon and McCartney had a magical alchemy as songwriters. On their own they went from average half the time to being poor most of it. Plastic Ono Band and Wings. Lol.
Wings are probably the worst band in History
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. Uhh, you do realize that John's first solo album - "Plastic Ono Band" - was voted by Rolling Stone as the greatest rock and roll album in history. And it is. Just curious, have you ever heard it? How can you put a "LOL" after Plastic Ono Band? Do you put an LOL after you write 'Michael Jordan'? An "LOL" after you write 'Shakespeare'? Very odd of you to put an LOL after greatness. Maybe there is an irony that you are going for that I am not seeing. . As far as Wings goes....uhh, you do realize that "Band On The Run," Jet," "Junior's Farm," "Live And Let Die" are all Wings songs? Pretty brilliant stuff right there. Oh, and by the way, you know that short skinny motherfucker from Minneapolis? You know that guy? Well, uhh, he released an album called "Gold Nigga" and guess which artist he covered on that album? Yup, Wings. The Wings song "Let 'Em In" was covered on that LP. Prince had good taste. Why don't you? | |
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It took my mind out like a G Flat Major with an E in the bass The Poster Formerly Known As Elephants and Flowers | |
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Robert3rd said: Also: it seems he was a fan of songs in Bb or A: Gold, Purple Rain, Glam Slam and I Wish You Heaven? Key of B flat major. Starfish and Coffee, 7, and Raspberry Beret? A Major When the Lights Go Down? A Mixolydian (another Mode) Beautiful Strange? A Minor So what does this mean? I am a bit rusty on music theory. Did he write more music in major or minor chords? Did he use chords or modes? Do you think he knew how to read and write music? There is a video circulating which shows him playing Summertime on the piano at a soundcheck, just beautiful, and he calls out the notes. ...every night another symphony... | |
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Musical Key means that the notes in a song are based on a specific scale. So say you have a song based on the C Major scale, it would be said to be in the "key" of C Major.
A scale is a pattern of notes usually spanning an octave( an interval that spans 8 notes). The first note of a scale and the pattern of intervals in that scale determines what type of scale it is. So you could have a C Major scale or a D Major scale that have the same pattern, but start and end on different notes. There are many types of scales and modes( a mode is basically also a scale...but it's a bit different). Most of our(American) concept of scales, keys, and chords comes from a combination of church modes from the middle ages in Western Europe, combined with other influences from other continents. Other countries have their own scales/modes that they use also that are a bit different from "westernized" nations.
A chord is when you play more than one note simultaneously with another note(you can have 2,3,4 note chords...), songs usually contain several chords in a specific pattern that are called "chord progressions". When he was playing "Summertime",he was calling out which chords he was playing so that the band could play along with his improvisation. There are also many types of chords, sounds of chords also change depending on the order of the notes and how they are played.
Most songs you hear have a melody that is played/sung on top of a chord progression (harmony), and most of those melodies and chord progressions fit within a specific scale,which is called a key.
It's been said that he couldn't read notation, but I honestly think he learned to somewhere in there. All the theory in the world can't give you a good ear, and he had one of the best.
I hope that made sense, I tried to make it short.
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Yeah, Rolling Stone knelt at the altar of Lennon for years. Any band with Yoko Ono in it is by default terrible as far as I'm concerned. They were lifeless and dull
McCartney even said Wings were shit. Having his wife as a so called musician was the height of hubris and he knew it. | |
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As you do, you only pick up on the points I made about The Beatles, ignoring any rebutal to Prince's compositional skills. Seems par for the course for you. | |
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. I don't ignore it. Fact is there really is not much to say about Prince's compositional skills. His songs were either three chord ballads, one chord funk jams, or the experimental stuff. Not much to say at all about the first two, the third is worth noting. . Yes, when he tripped out is when Prince was at his best. My favorite songs were always the ones that when they first came on the CD I'd say, "What the f**k is that?!?" And usually he pulled that off not with compositional skill as you suggest, but rather by dipping into a sonic palette that no other musicians use. A song like "I Wish U Heaven" is simple basic I-IV-V chord compostion. No skill at all involved there. But the sound of the snare, the very heavy distorted guitar (hard rock power chords on a sing along love song???) is what makes that song brilliant. Prince was a master not of composition, but rather the sonic composition of his songs. | |
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ok, I haven't laughed at anything here since Apr 21, and this made me smile/laugh. I agree, the site is bereft of depth, and rife with speculation and pictures. | |
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Sonic composition as opposed to the actual composition. Ah right. Like Moombeam Levels or The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker. Or Sometimes It Snows In April. Right, that has 3 chords in it's structure too. Or Around The World In A Day? Anotherloverholeinyohead? Riiighhtt...
Dear oh dear.
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Very interesting, thanks. | |
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. I don't know what you are blabbing about. . Composition is the song's structure. The chords to the verses, chorus, bridges that make the song. Then there is, for lack of something better to call it, a song's sonic composition -- what instrumentation is used and how those instruments are treated sonically. . That's not hard to follow now is it, dear, oh, dear. | |
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This right here. I love listening to Prince on vinyl with great headphones, because if I'm in a space where I'm passifely listening, I typically hear something in each and every song that I didn't hear before. | |
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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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Say, bacon skin, care to explain how the "4 The Tears In Your Eyes" verses are I/IV/V? Because you don't really care.
[Edited 6/1/16 11:29am] The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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You are a cluelsess fool. I just rebutted your ludicrous 3 chord notion for Prince's ballads. I'm talking about a composition like Sometimes It Snows In April. Not it's sonic base, the actual COMPOSITION, which incidentally contains more than 3 CHORD changes. I'm well aware what song composition is FFS.
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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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. What the heck are you blabbing about? Show me where I said "all"? | |
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. You really think "Snow In April" is built around a complex song structure? My God, I picked up my guitar and figured that one out in about thirty-five seconds. . Oh, and by the way, "Sometimes It Snows In April" was written by two females, so just how complex do you think it could really be? Even the greatest female composer of them all - Carole King - rarely wrote a song beyond the simplistic I-IV-V song structure. | |
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Are you saying women are not capable of composing complex songs? that they are below the men's skills? | |
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It looks a sexist comment to me too. | |
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Where did I say it was complex? I didn't. Not a 3 chord ditty though is it? Lying again.. You must skim read peoples replys on here. All of this nonsense would have been avoided If you at the humility to retract your STATEMENT that Prince only wrote '3 chord ballads' There are numerous songs in the man's canon which make a mockery of your claim. Compositional shifts in structure are litterd through his stuff along withe the 3 CHORD tunes.
What the fuck has Carole King got to do with anything? That adds nothing. I don't care about Carole King, though admittedly Tapestry is great. So, I'm out on this, which I'm sure is a relief to everyone who has been reading our tedious back and forth.
You made a statistically wrong assertion from the outset. Now, I'm done.
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[Edited 6/1/16 12:56pm] The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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