terrig said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Interesting viewpoint. I didn't look at it from the business point of view, but of course you are right. At the same time he obviously underestimate his health condition.He thought he would be fine with the overmediation as he used to be. Still a bit of a risky decision. On the other hand he may have had many other occassions like in Moline which nobody knows about. I know about addicted people, they take risks to the extreme limit.

However, nobody knows how addicted he was so this is all speculation.

someone posted a link in one of the other threads called VIP Syndrome - where a celebrity can sometimes elude typical procedures because caretakers become starstruck. I fear some of that may play into this as we find out more information.

Im not sure Prince had anyone around him he would listen to...and if 'agitated' as its said he was in the last few days...it would make it even more difficult to get him to take more care.

My hubby is a major pain in the ass when he's not feeling right and wont admit it - I cannot imagine the wrath of a pissed off Prince who doesnt want to be told want he doesnt want to hear.

I understand that but he was ill for some time, for a very long period of time, it does not even matter what he suffered from. He sould have had someone to help him, regardless if he could or could not have been treated for whatever he suffered from.

This is what it should have been like, normal procedure. You get yourself helped. In his case it looks like he was not aware of his condition at all, which is somewhat hard to believe. I think he was well aware but took the risks. Kirky J and Larry and everyone should be feeling very guilty now. They could have helped him. Maybe that's why they are keeping quiet now.

OzlemUcucu said:

babynoz said:

Wow, I couldn't sleep either. I kept praying that somebody could get through to him.

I was very worried too.

I'll be watching the scandalous video in honour to him the whole week as I used to back then clinging on to things now that meant to me the most. I am very sad folks. He was more than an icon, a very unique special being who should have been much more appreciated. There are absolutely no words that can describe him. I have never been a fan of anybody except him, so you know how I feel same like you all feel. Just numb and by the end of this week it'll be worse after watching the video.

I know how you feel. I have been remembering how many challenges Prince overcame from an early age and throughout his lifetime.

Hopefully remembering to persevere and give of myself like he gave of himself will help me get through this heartbreak.

The thought of Prince being in pain is sad. However, the thought of him performing the majority of his life is not sad to me at all. Even if it may have contributed to some difficulties.

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Imagine doing something that you LOVE for most of your life.

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Now imagine doing something that you LOVE for most of your life and are GREAT at it.

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Finally, imagine doing something that you LOVE and are GREAT at AND you get paid well to do it!!!

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How do you stop????? You don't. You do it "til the wheels fall off"!! See Kobe Bryant from this past NBA season.

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Prince's life, in it's entirety, is so far from sad the only comparison I can think of is the distance of Neptune to the Sun. Not sure what that distance is, but as of 2006 Neptune was the farthest planet from the Sun

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I'd bet anything, given the chance Prince would do it exactly the same!

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Sorry for the "x". This is the only way I can separate my info.

terrig said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I was very worried too.

I'll be watching the scandalous video in honour to him the whole week as I used to back then clinging on to things now that meant to me the most. I am very sad folks. He was more than an icon, a very unique special being who should have been much more appreciated. There are absolutely no words that can describe him. I have never been a fan of anybody except him, so you know how I feel same like you all feel. Just numb and by the end of this week it'll be worse after watching the video.

i feel like you do...i've been in it sime i'm 12 i'm 52 now - i can finally listen t a whole song but nothing prepared me for a world without Prince in it. I feel the absence of his energy in the universe, if that makes any sense. Like the balance of the universe if off-kilter now - thats how heavy and full of life he was...that his absence has thrown my universe out of balance.

When it happened I told my son I felt like the universe was broken. The world makes no sense to me anymore.

When I think of the physical extremes he went to, in heels for heavens sake. Hell, I stopped wearing high heels in my late thirties and I wasn't jumping around in them.

babynoz said:

terrig said:

someone posted a link in one of the other threads called VIP Syndrome - where a celebrity can sometimes elude typical procedures because caretakers become starstruck. I fear some of that may play into this as we find out more information.

Im not sure Prince had anyone around him he would listen to...and if 'agitated' as its said he was in the last few days...it would make it even more difficult to get him to take more care.

My hubby is a major pain in the ass when he's not feeling right and wont admit it - I cannot imagine the wrath of a pissed off Prince who doesnt want to be told want he doesnt want to hear.

Tell me about it....husband and two grown sons here, I'm going to worry my damn self to death trying to deal with them when they get sick. I imagine that Prince was quite a handful even when he felt fine so it would have been no easy task.

It would have taken nothing short of a battle hardened, tough, old ass nurse every bit as ornery as P to make him listen. You know how they do....give him the tough love and then baby him up until he was putty in her hands. Those types of women have no regard for vip nonsense.

There was another article posted here also that stated how agitated he had become to the point where they were calling NY and Cali so I thought that could mean they actually were trying hard to find someone that he would listen to.

I think everyone did as much as they could have - but if Prince wasn't upfront with them either about what he was dealing with....I mean I just cant imagine.....he unconsiously put his staff at major risk in this situation as well.

Shaolin325 said:

The thought of Prince being in pain is sad. However, the thought of him performing the majority of his life is not sad to me at all. Even if it may have contributed to some difficulties.

x

Imagine doing something that you LOVE for most of your life.

x

Now imagine doing something that you LOVE for most of your life and are GREAT at it.

x

Finally, imagine doing something that you LOVE and are GREAT at AND you get paid well to do it!!!

x

How do you stop????? You don't. You do it "til the wheels fall off"!! See Kobe Bryant from this past NBA season.

x

Prince's life, in it's entirety, is so far from sad the only comparison I can think of is the distance of Neptune to the Sun. Not sure what that distance is, but as of 2006 Neptune was the farthest planet from the Sun

x

I'd bet anything, given the chance Prince would do it exactly the same!

x

Sorry for the "x". This is the only way I can separate my info.

I think we all realize that choices have consequences. It's a matter of what it is worth to the individual and how high a price they are willing to pay.

The people who get to his level are the ones willing to pay that price.

Shaolin325 said:

The thought of Prince being in pain is sad. However, the thought of him performing the majority of his life is not sad to me at all. Even if it may have contributed to some difficulties.

x

Imagine doing something that you LOVE for most of your life.

x

Now imagine doing something that you LOVE for most of your life and are GREAT at it.

x

Finally, imagine doing something that you LOVE and are GREAT at AND you get paid well to do it!!!

x

How do you stop????? You don't. You do it "til the wheels fall off"!! See Kobe Bryant from this past NBA season.

x

Prince's life, in it's entirety, is so far from sad the only comparison I can think of is the distance of Neptune to the Sun. Not sure what that distance is, but as of 2006 Neptune was the farthest planet from the Sun

x

I'd bet anything, given the chance Prince would do it exactly the same!

x

Sorry for the "x". This is the only way I can separate my info.

well we're sad, but hell yeah - he had 6 lifetimes in one

terrig said:

babynoz said:

Tell me about it....husband and two grown sons here, I'm going to worry my damn self to death trying to deal with them when they get sick. I imagine that Prince was quite a handful even when he felt fine so it would have been no easy task.

It would have taken nothing short of a battle hardened, tough, old ass nurse every bit as ornery as P to make him listen. You know how they do....give him the tough love and then baby him up until he was putty in her hands. Those types of women have no regard for vip nonsense.

There was another article posted here also that stated how agitated he had become to the point where they were calling NY and Cali so I thought that could mean they actually were trying hard to find someone that he would listen to.

I think everyone did as much as they could have - but if Prince wasn't upfront with them either about what he was dealing with....I mean I just cant imagine.....he unconsiously put his staff at major risk in this situation as well.

They did their best but he needed a nurse in that place who could handle him and his staff. In other words somebody who wasn't intimidated.

Ah....20-20 hindsight I guess,

Bless you all.

OzlemUcucu said:

It's bittersweet now to be amazed by his physical exertions during live performances, especially in the late 90's and know it might have been taking a toll, and we were like "More! More!"

babynoz said:

terrig said:

I'm a trainer and have worked pretty extensively with musicans - counterbalancing musculature to help balance out their muscle use - one of my clients had a hump on his back from piano playing - that took me 3 years to fix and get him standing upright.

Its no joke the physical toll just practice can have on the body - and thats before they ever hit the stage.

I can see how Prince could be in pain - very easily...I know from my work that making something look so effortless requires an intense physical discipline.

There's never any pain onstage - you enter an altered reality, a reflexive meditative state that enable you to perform at a high level - the pain comes later. Kind of like a fighter after a match.

But Prince and just anbout any performer will do whatever it takes to make sure that show goes off without a hitch.

Prince would never want anyone to know or think about how much effort it took, because he trained himself to make it look effortless because thats part of the magic

I do think he packed 80 years of motion into 57 years of life.

It breaks my heart to think how much of his body, mind, heart and soul he put into his work only to see so many mean and thoughtless things said about him at times from people who were never satisfied.

Guitarhero said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

nursev said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

aww

I just can't help but remember all the times I was overly critical...brushing over a lot of his later music, assuming he was creatively spent, neglecting the artist who really shaped who I was and completely changed the way I listen to music. Just before he died I started to revisit Art Official Age and Hit and Run, and I found myself really enjoying certain songs. And then suddenly he was gone. And I watched all the footage that was hard to find and clips that I had seen before but long forgotten. Once again I was mesmerized by the breadth of his talent. It's just sad to know that I neglected one of the greatest artists music has ever known. Deep down I always knew what he meant to me and that he would always be a genius...it was just easy to take advantage of him while he was still here. I just assumed he would be around forever.

It's okay though. I'm not one to beat myself up over things I can't change. I appreciate the fact that he left us with such beautiful music and gave us 100% even when it - literally - killed him.

smoothcriminal12 said:

nursev said:

smoothcriminal12 said: aww

I just can't help but remember all the times I was overly critical...brushing over a lot of his later music, assuming he was creatively spent, neglecting the artist who really shaped who I was and completely changed the way I listen to music. Just before he died I started to revisit Art Official Age and Hit and Run, and I found myself really enjoying certain songs. And then suddenly he was gone. And I watched all the footage that was hard to find and clips that I had seen before but long forgotten. Once again I was mesmerized by the breadth of his talent. It's just sad to know that I neglected one of the greatest artists music has ever known. Deep down I always knew what he meant to me and that he would always be a genius...it was just easy to take advantage of him while he was still here. I just assumed he would be around forever.

It's okay though. I'm not one to beat myself up over things I can't change. I appreciate the fact that he left us with such beautiful music and gave us 100% even when it - literally - killed him.

Im sure Prince took it all in stride...he had to cuz the org is still here. Im glad u kinda reconnected with his music and it still has meaning to you...thats all that matters.

smoothcriminal12 said:

nursev said:

smoothcriminal12 said: aww

I just can't help but remember all the times I was overly critical...brushing over a lot of his later music, assuming he was creatively spent, neglecting the artist who really shaped who I was and completely changed the way I listen to music. Just before he died I started to revisit Art Official Age and Hit and Run, and I found myself really enjoying certain songs. And then suddenly he was gone. And I watched all the footage that was hard to find and clips that I had seen before but long forgotten. Once again I was mesmerized by the breadth of his talent. It's just sad to know that I neglected one of the greatest artists music has ever known. Deep down I always knew what he meant to me and that he would always be a genius...it was just easy to take advantage of him while he was still here. I just assumed he would be around forever.

It's okay though. I'm not one to beat myself up over things I can't change. I appreciate the fact that he left us with such beautiful music and gave us 100% even when it - literally - killed him.

I don't want anyone to beat themselves up but I applaud you for having the courage to reflect and share those thoughts.

babynoz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I just can't help but remember all the times I was overly critical...brushing over a lot of his later music, assuming he was creatively spent, neglecting the artist who really shaped who I was and completely changed the way I listen to music. Just before he died I started to revisit Art Official Age and Hit and Run, and I found myself really enjoying certain songs. And then suddenly he was gone. And I watched all the footage that was hard to find and clips that I had seen before but long forgotten. Once again I was mesmerized by the breadth of his talent. It's just sad to know that I neglected one of the greatest artists music has ever known. Deep down I always knew what he meant to me and that he would always be a genius...it was just easy to take advantage of him while he was still here. I just assumed he would be around forever.

It's okay though. I'm not one to beat myself up over things I can't change. I appreciate the fact that he left us with such beautiful music and gave us 100% even when it - literally - killed him.

I don't want anyone to beat themselves up but I applaud you for having the courage to reflect and share those thoughts.

indeed

babynoz said:

terrig said:

I think everyone did as much as they could have - but if Prince wasn't upfront with them either about what he was dealing with....I mean I just cant imagine.....he unconsiously put his staff at major risk in this situation as well.

They did their best but he needed a nurse in that place who could handle him and his staff. In other words somebody who wasn't intimidated.

Ah....20-20 hindsight I guess,

You rang I really wish I couldve been there for Prince...just to take care of him during his last days I know there are other nurses and doctors who post here who wouldve gladly taken care of him if he had only asked.

nursev said:

babynoz said:

They did their best but he needed a nurse in that place who could handle him and his staff. In other words somebody who wasn't intimidated.

Ah....20-20 hindsight I guess,

You rang I really wish I couldve been there for Prince...just to take care of him during his last days I know there are other nurses and doctors who post here who wouldve gladly taken care of him if he had only asked.

I know, right? A take no crap type of nurse or a reeeaaal pretty one. You know our guy.

This won't be a popular response but I don't care about that. I think Prince knew exactly what was going on with his health and did exactly what he wanted to do in that regard. The same way he handled everything else in his life. He was one man who knew what he wanted and what he had to do to get it that way. I have no reason whatsoever to think he'd lost his mind and did anything differently.

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Read this:

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On another forum there is a member who was actually Prince's doctor a decade or two ago. He will not ever (no way, no how) reveal anything about Prince. Except once he did. He told this funny story. During a routine physical he asked Prince, "Do you exercise?" Prince simply said, "I perform."

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Great answer and in line with all here who say performing on stage is a very physical experience.

Cloreen said:

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Read this:

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On another forum there is a member who was actually Prince's doctor a decade or two ago. He will not ever (no way, no how) reveal anything about Prince. Except once he did. He told this funny story. During a routine physical he asked Prince, "Do you exercise?" Prince simply said, "I perform."

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Great answer and in line with all here who say performing on stage is a very physical experience.

This is exactly why someone like Prince would need an ongoing post-performance training program - because when you perform you deplete yourself. Its like an athletic event....you need an equal amount of recovery and re-balancing after athletic events and perfromances to maintain optimal conditions and not breakdown your system. The nutrition, rest, and restorative exercise is so so important. It could have reduced the opportunities for pain to emerge and helped restore balance in underused musicle - nutrition plays a huge part in maintaining joint integrity as one ages too...

So I'm going to bet that Prince did nowhere near what he would need to do to allow his body to rejuvenate and recover - not sleeping when you're past 40 is not a good thing to do - no matter how talented or fierce you are. You just start to set-up conditions for problems.

This is the thing Madonna gets right. The workouts she does mitigates the damage of performance. But Madge is showing signs of pain too. She needs to stop dancing in heels asap.

[Edited 5/31/16 10:55am]

Mumio said:

This won't be a popular response but I don't care about that. I think Prince knew exactly what was going on with his health and did exactly what he wanted to do in that regard. The same way he handled everything else in his life. He was one man who knew what he wanted and what he had to do to get it that way. I have no reason whatsoever to think he'd lost his mind and did anything differently.

All of that could certainly be true. I'd still hope that somebody somewhere fought with him though.

terrig said:

So I'm going to bet that Prince did nowhere near what he would need to do to allow his body to rejuvenate and recover -

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That is sadly true.

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As others have pointed out, he's been doing this for nearly forty years. Professional athletes - stars or scrubs - can't do what they do for more than fifteen. Was Prince a pro athlete taking physical punishment on his body? No. But his decades of performing certainly pushed his body into areas the normal human body doesn't go.

terrig said:

Cloreen said:

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Read this:

.

On another forum there is a member who was actually Prince's doctor a decade or two ago. He will not ever (no way, no how) reveal anything about Prince. Except once he did. He told this funny story. During a routine physical he asked Prince, "Do you exercise?" Prince simply said, "I perform."

.

.

Great answer and in line with all here who say performing on stage is a very physical experience.

This is exactly why someone like Prince would need an ongoing post-performance training program - because when you perform you deplete yourself. Its like an athletic event....you need an equal amount of recovery and re-balancing after athletic events and perfromances to maintain optimal conditions and not breakdown your system. The nutrition, rest, and restorative exercise is so so important. It could have reduced the opportunities for pain to emerge and helped restore balance in underused musicle - nutrition plays a huge part in maintaining joint integrity as one ages too...

So I'm going to bet that Prince did nowhere near what he would need to do to allow his body to rejuvenate and recover - not sleeping when you're past 40 is not a good thing to do - no matter how talented or fierce you are. You just start to set-up conditions for problems.

This is the thing Madonna gets right. The workouts she does mitigates the damage of performance. But Madge is showing signs of pain too. She needs to stop dancing in heels asap.

[Edited 5/31/16 10:55am]

I wish with all my heart that he had done something like that but the absolute hardest part would have been finding somebody that he would listen to.

Look how many wrestlers die young.

Your body can only take so much punishment.

Wish he was still with us.

babynoz said:

Mumio said:

This won't be a popular response but I don't care about that. I think Prince knew exactly what was going on with his health and did exactly what he wanted to do in that regard. The same way he handled everything else in his life. He was one man who knew what he wanted and what he had to do to get it that way. I have no reason whatsoever to think he'd lost his mind and did anything differently.

All of that could certainly be true. I'd still hope that somebody somewhere fought with him though.

Thanks for your response babynoz. I do get where you're coming from. But I don't think this was something he could be "saved" from. I don't believe there was any choice in the outcome.

babynoz said:

terrig said:

This is exactly why someone like Prince would need an ongoing post-performance training program - because when you perform you deplete yourself. Its like an athletic event....you need an equal amount of recovery and re-balancing after athletic events and perfromances to maintain optimal conditions and not breakdown your system. The nutrition, rest, and restorative exercise is so so important. It could have reduced the opportunities for pain to emerge and helped restore balance in underused musicle - nutrition plays a huge part in maintaining joint integrity as one ages too...

So I'm going to bet that Prince did nowhere near what he would need to do to allow his body to rejuvenate and recover - not sleeping when you're past 40 is not a good thing to do - no matter how talented or fierce you are. You just start to set-up conditions for problems.

This is the thing Madonna gets right. The workouts she does mitigates the damage of performance. But Madge is showing signs of pain too. She needs to stop dancing in heels asap.

[Edited 5/31/16 10:55am]

I wish with all my heart that he had done something like that but the absolute hardest part would have been finding somebody that he would listen to.

Mumio said:

babynoz said:

All of that could certainly be true. I'd still hope that somebody somewhere fought with him though.

Thanks for your response babynoz. I do get where you're coming from. But I don't think this was something he could be "saved" from. I don't believe there was any choice in the outcome.

You are probably right sweetie, I just miss him so much.....