terrig said:

babynoz said:

It breaks my heart to think how much of his body, mind, heart and soul he put into his work only to see so many mean and thoughtless things said about him at times from people who were never satisfied.

Thank you for reminding people what it is like to work as a musician. He gave his all and I hope that he knew most people did appreciate him.

He gave EVERYTHING. I really believe that. EVERYTHING.

All his love, time, energy, passion, emotions and spirit. He used himself up, and I believe he didnt even realize he was pushing his luck. He was that singleminded in his mission 24/7/365 - then poof. gone.

aww

OzlemUcucu said:

nursev said:

Aww... I think if he had lived he wouldve retired and taught other young artist.

I feel like I am the only one missing him at the moment.

Nooo....do not feel like that. Losing him is still heavy on my heart and I imagine many others too.

nursev said:

Marrk said:

I guess. But then I think of James Brown and wonder how the heck he got to his 70s.

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Prince was robbed of twenty years at least.

Well shit James got plenty of excercise beating womens asses....he was something else and probably to old and stubborn to die

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. That biopic on him starring Chadwick Boseman was something else too. One day I'm hoping for a great Prince one too. Might have to be a trilogy though!

nursev said:

terrig said:

He gave EVERYTHING. I really believe that. EVERYTHING.

All his love, time, energy, passion, emotions and spirit. He used himself up, and I believe he didnt even realize he was pushing his luck. He was that singleminded in his mission 24/7/365 - then poof. gone.

aww

terrig said:

babynoz said:

It breaks my heart to think how much of his body, mind, heart and soul he put into his work only to see so many mean and thoughtless things said about him at times from people who were never satisfied.

Thank you for reminding people what it is like to work as a musician. He gave his all and I hope that he knew most people did appreciate him.

He gave EVERYTHING. I really believe that. EVERYTHING.

All his love, time, energy, passion, emotions and spirit. He used himself up, and I believe he didnt even realize he was pushing his luck. He was that singleminded in his mission 24/7/365 - then poof. gone.

Yes everything. That's why he had to do the PP Gala. Behind all of this I see a very vulnerable, toughtful man. Not selfish at all. It looks like he had to fulfil his own image he had created. He had to be Prince. If you appear to be so strong there is no place for weakness and sickness. I wish he had let it go and just be him.

terrig said:

babynoz said:

It breaks my heart to think how much of his body, mind, heart and soul he put into his work only to see so many mean and thoughtless things said about him at times from people who were never satisfied.

Thank you for reminding people what it is like to work as a musician. He gave his all and I hope that he knew most people did appreciate him.

He gave EVERYTHING. I really believe that. EVERYTHING.

All his love, time, energy, passion, emotions and spirit. He used himself up, and I believe he didnt even realize he was pushing his luck. He was that singleminded in his mission 24/7/365 - then poof. gone.

Yes, I really believe he did. I would have been more than satisfied with even half of what he gave if it meant he would still be with us.

But alas, that was not his way.....he did everything to the utmost.

Marrk said:

nursev said:

You know when Prince was performing like that in the 80's and 90's we all loved it and it never crossed my mind that he was physically hurting himself just trying to make his fans happy and yes I know he also did it cuz he loved it, but honestly if it meant that he would live to see 80 I wouldve preferred to just have him sit and play the instruments, but I know that the way he lived his life was already planned for him to do that.

I guess. But then I think of James Brown and wonder how the heck he got to his 70s.

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Prince was robbed of twenty years at least.

James Brown took a lot of drugs and he did scale back the dancing. Not sure if he ever had surgery.

babynoz said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I feel like I am the only one missing him at the moment.

Nooo....do not feel like that. Losing him is still heavy on my heart and I imagine many others too.

Babynoz I know you are amongst the ones who are missing him too. I noticed that already from your other posts. I don't post here everyday but I am always on the org.

This weeked I made several copies of all the bootlegs and albums that I have. It was somewhat like a therapy. I guess I am preparing myself mentally that there won't be any more music, so it helps me thinking I have plenty to keep me going like for ever by making several copies of everything I own. So mad.

OzlemUcucu said:

terrig said:

He gave EVERYTHING. I really believe that. EVERYTHING.

All his love, time, energy, passion, emotions and spirit. He used himself up, and I believe he didnt even realize he was pushing his luck. He was that singleminded in his mission 24/7/365 - then poof. gone.

Yes everything. That's why he had to do the PP Gala. Behind all of this I see a very vulnerable, toughtful man. Not selfish at all. It looks like he had to fulfil his own image he had created. He had to be Prince. If you appear to be so strong there is no place for weakness and sickness. I wish he had let it go and just be him.

I can't speak for everybody but I wish to God that he would have realized that it was his spirit that many of us loved more than an image.

Aerogram said:

Talk to anyone who has toured extensively on a regular basis for decades. I'm not talking about bands like the Rolliing Stones who go on tour after long breaks, but about people who perform regularly or tour without long breaks for decades.

You'll find singers-guitarists with neck and shoulder problems, bassists and guitarists with the same issues plus wrists problems -- and those guys don't dance or anything, they just stand and perform. Even Rick James had an issue caused by throwing his head back repetitively to the beat, I think it was described as rock star whiplash? I'm not even going to get into what happens with longtime drummers.

Not only did Prince did all of this combined, but he danced his ass off, did the splits and jumped from risers. He first did so in platform shoes when he was very young, then in heels. Go ahead, put on some heavy platform shoes and jump from an height of four or five feet. On second thought don't do it and take my word for it : landing, you feel your ankles and all the bones in your feet take a violent blow. Once won't kill you, but repetitively, you might as well have someone beat your feet with a wooden stick, it's less damaging.

So yes, Prince really abused his body punishingly to entertain. No wonder he was in pain if those guys simply holding guitars throwing their head back to the beat eventually develop musculo-skeletal issues.

It's common knowledge that Steven Tyler almost made himself wheelchair bound by slapping his feet against the stage to the beat of the music. I think it was one of the causes to him relapsing from drugs/alcohol. He had extensive physical therapy for years and surgery to repair the damage. Notice, he doesn't do this movement anymore.

OzlemUcucu said:

babynoz said:

Nooo....do not feel like that. Losing him is still heavy on my heart and I imagine many others too.

Babynoz I know you are amongst the ones who are missing him too. I noticed that already from your other posts. I don't post here everyday but I am always on the org.

This weeked I made several copies of all the bootlegs and albums that I have. It was somewhat like a therapy. I guess I am preparing myself mentally that there won't be any more music, so it helps me thinking I have plenty to keep me going like for ever by making several copies of everything I own. So mad.

I haven't been able to listen to a whole song yet, so I have been listening to him speak in interviews and speeches and reading some of the things that he wrote. I have always loved his speaking voice and it comforts me now.

meagemini2 said:

Aerogram said:

Talk to anyone who has toured extensively on a regular basis for decades. I'm not talking about bands like the Rolliing Stones who go on tour after long breaks, but about people who perform regularly or tour without long breaks for decades.

You'll find singers-guitarists with neck and shoulder problems, bassists and guitarists with the same issues plus wrists problems -- and those guys don't dance or anything, they just stand and perform. Even Rick James had an issue caused by throwing his head back repetitively to the beat, I think it was described as rock star whiplash? I'm not even going to get into what happens with longtime drummers.

Not only did Prince did all of this combined, but he danced his ass off, did the splits and jumped from risers. He first did so in platform shoes when he was very young, then in heels. Go ahead, put on some heavy platform shoes and jump from an height of four or five feet. On second thought don't do it and take my word for it : landing, you feel your ankles and all the bones in your feet take a violent blow. Once won't kill you, but repetitively, you might as well have someone beat your feet with a wooden stick, it's less damaging.

So yes, Prince really abused his body punishingly to entertain. No wonder he was in pain if those guys simply holding guitars throwing their head back to the beat eventually develop musculo-skeletal issues.

It's common knowledge that Steven Tyler almost made himself wheelchair bound by slapping his feet against the stage to the beat of the music. I think it was one of the causes to him relapsing from drugs/alcohol. He had extensive physical therapy for years and surgery to repair the damage. Notice, he doesn't do this movement anymore.

Thank you. Hardly anybody appreciates how demanding performing can be. I danced onstage with George Clinton and Sir Nose during a Pfunk show ONE time and I was worn out just from the heat of the stage lights.

Never again!

babynoz said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Yes everything. That's why he had to do the PP Gala. Behind all of this I see a very vulnerable, toughtful man. Not selfish at all. It looks like he had to fulfil his own image he had created. He had to be Prince. If you appear to be so strong there is no place for weakness and sickness. I wish he had let it go and just be him.

I can't speak for everybody but I wish to God that he would have realized that it was his spirit that many of us loved more than an image.

I don't understand why he had to have PP Gala. That day/night he got overmedicated for the second time. And It was just to show everyone he was ok, but we knew that already cause he had tweeted, and wanted him to rest. So why was he not resting? He put himself so much under pressure by the media prior to that Moline event, and we know he hated things like that, so I am struggling to understand why he had the PP Gala. It's very unlike the Prince I imagined to be. Wasn't he usually not caring about the media? If so, why was he so concerned, about what? What was he trying to get across? To whom?

OzlemUcucu said:

nursev said:

Aww... I think if he had lived he wouldve retired and taught other young artist.

I feel like I am the only one missing him at the moment.

No, you most definitely aren't the only one. Sadness and grief over his death has become my daily companion. It's not destroying my sanity....but it's always there.

These are the questions that I keep asking myself all the time. Anybody care to explain what possibly happened there, because I really don't understand what's been going on since the Moline situation What caused him to do the PP Gala?

Mumio said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I feel like I am the only one missing him at the moment.

No, you most definitely aren't the only one. Sadness and grief over his death has become my daily companion. It's not destroying my sanity....but it's always there.

Yes, it's very hard for oldtime fans. It's good to know that I am not the only one feeling this way. Too many memories with him and surely Prince was with me as far as I can remember being me - mighty long time.

OzlemUcucu said:

These are the questions that I keep asking myself all the time. Anybody care to explain what possibly happened there, because I really don't understand what's been going on since the Moline situation What caused him to do the PP Gala?

I think it was a knee-jerk business reaction . Prince has rarely had any public health scares, and he was planning more dates for touring. He wouldnt want promoters to be afriad to book the tour in their venues - since he booked everything almost last minute - the public health scare would give promoters pause before booking the P&M tour.

There seems to be something about the extreme intensity of the artistic life in addition to the rigors of performance. So many great artists, writers, and musicians died much younger than Prince (John Keats 25, Emily Bronte 30, Charlie Parker 34, Mozart 36, van Gogh 37, Rimbaud 37, John Coltrane 40, etc).

OzlemUcucu said:

These are the questions that I keep asking myself all the time. Anybody care to explain what possibly happened there, because I really don't understand what's been going on since the Moline situation What caused him to do the PP Gala?

Any woman who has ever lived with a man can answer that. Trying to get even a regular guy with a regular job to take proper care of themselves, take off from work and see the doctor for regular check ups is a monumental chore, much less trying to get them to stay in a hospital. I can't say that all men are like that but all ones I know sure are.

I was worried over the emergency landing but it was when he announced that party that I became alarmed because I had a feeling he wasn't being careful enough. I was hoping that if he didn't want to stay in Illinois that he would allow himself to be hospitalized when he got home.

But he had that "show must go on" mentality that is common amongst entertainers too.

terrig said:

OzlemUcucu said:

These are the questions that I keep asking myself all the time. Anybody care to explain what possibly happened there, because I really don't understand what's been going on since the Moline situation What caused him to do the PP Gala?

I think it was a knee-jerk business reaction . Prince has rarely had any public health scares, and he was planning more dates for touring. He wouldnt want promoters to be afriad to book the tour in their venues - since he booked everything almost last minute - the public health scare would give promoters pause before booking the P&M tour.

Good points.

babynoz said:

OzlemUcucu said:

These are the questions that I keep asking myself all the time. Anybody care to explain what possibly happened there, because I really don't understand what's been going on since the Moline situation What caused him to do the PP Gala?

Any woman who has ever lived with a man can answer that. Trying to get even a regular guy with a regular job to take proper care of themselves, take off from work and see the doctor for regular check ups is a monumental chore, much less trying to get them to stay in a hospital. I can't say that all men are like that but all ones I know sure are.

I was worried over the emergency landing but it was when he announced that party that I became alarmed because I had a feeling he wasn't being careful enough. I was hoping that if he didn't want to stay in Illinois that he would allow himself to be hospitalized when he got home.

But he had that "show must go on" mentality that is common amongst entertainers too.

THIS. I couldnt sleep - I had a really bad feeling and kept pestering about it on twitter. I sent him a DM begging him to cancel the party.

terrig said:

OzlemUcucu said:

These are the questions that I keep asking myself all the time. Anybody care to explain what possibly happened there, because I really don't understand what's been going on since the Moline situation What caused him to do the PP Gala?

I think it was a knee-jerk business reaction . Prince has rarely had any public health scares, and he was planning more dates for touring. He wouldnt want promoters to be afriad to book the tour in their venues - since he booked everything almost last minute - the public health scare would give promoters pause before booking the P&M tour.

Interesting viewpoint. I didn't look at it from the business point of view, but of course you are right. At the same time he obviously underestimate his health condition.He thought he would be fine with the overmediation as he used to be. Still a bit of a risky decision. On the other hand he may have had many other occassions like in Moline which nobody knows about. I know about addicted people, they take risks to the extreme limit.

However, nobody knows how addicted he was so this is all speculation.

farnorth said:

There seems to be something about the extreme intensity of the artistic life in addition to the rigors of performance. So many great artists, writers, and musicians died much younger than Prince (John Keats 25, Emily Bronte 30, Charlie Parker 34, Mozart 36, van Gogh 37, Rimbaud 37, John Coltrane 40, etc).

"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.....`Lao Tzu

terrig said:

babynoz said:

Any woman who has ever lived with a man can answer that. Trying to get even a regular guy with a regular job to take proper care of themselves, take off from work and see the doctor for regular check ups is a monumental chore, much less trying to get them to stay in a hospital. I can't say that all men are like that but all ones I know sure are.

I was worried over the emergency landing but it was when he announced that party that I became alarmed because I had a feeling he wasn't being careful enough. I was hoping that if he didn't want to stay in Illinois that he would allow himself to be hospitalized when he got home.

But he had that "show must go on" mentality that is common amongst entertainers too.

THIS. I couldnt sleep - I had a really bad feeling and kept pestering about it on twitter. I sent him a DM begging him to cancel the party.

He wasn't even fit for the Atlanta show. He should have cancelled all shows and not give anybody an explanation. All the other entertainers keep doing this all the time, but he had to tour non-stop. I am wondering if we were too demanding, honestly.

terrig said:

babynoz said:

Any woman who has ever lived with a man can answer that. Trying to get even a regular guy with a regular job to take proper care of themselves, take off from work and see the doctor for regular check ups is a monumental chore, much less trying to get them to stay in a hospital. I can't say that all men are like that but all ones I know sure are.

I was worried over the emergency landing but it was when he announced that party that I became alarmed because I had a feeling he wasn't being careful enough. I was hoping that if he didn't want to stay in Illinois that he would allow himself to be hospitalized when he got home.

But he had that "show must go on" mentality that is common amongst entertainers too.

THIS. I couldnt sleep - I had a really bad feeling and kept pestering about it on twitter. I sent him a DM begging him to cancel the party.

Wow, I couldn't sleep either. I kept praying that somebody could get through to him.

OzlemUcucu said:

terrig said:

I think it was a knee-jerk business reaction . Prince has rarely had any public health scares, and he was planning more dates for touring. He wouldnt want promoters to be afriad to book the tour in their venues - since he booked everything almost last minute - the public health scare would give promoters pause before booking the P&M tour.

Interesting viewpoint. I didn't look at it from the business point of view, but of course you are right. At the same time he obviously underestimate his health condition.He thought he would be fine with the overmediation as he used to be. Still a bit of a risky decision. On the other hand he may have had many other occassions like in Moline which nobody knows about. I know about addicted people, they take risks to the extreme limit.

However, nobody knows how addicted he was so this is all speculation.

someone posted a link in one of the other threads called VIP Syndrome - where a celebrity can sometimes elude typical procedures because caretakers become starstruck. I fear some of that may play into this as we find out more information.

Im not sure Prince had anyone around him he would listen to...and if 'agitated' as its said he was in the last few days...it would make it even more difficult to get him to take more care.

My hubby is a major pain in the ass when he's not feeling right and wont admit it - I cannot imagine the wrath of a pissed off Prince who doesnt want to be told want he doesnt want to hear.

OzlemUcucu said:

terrig said:

THIS. I couldnt sleep - I had a really bad feeling and kept pestering about it on twitter. I sent him a DM begging him to cancel the party.

He wasn't even fit for the Atlanta show. He should have cancelled all shows and not give anybody an explanation. All the other entertainers keep doing this all the time, but he had to tour non-stop. I am wondering if we were too demanding, honestly.

I was hoping he would postpone the shows for at least a month since it was said at the time that he had the flu. You do not get over the flu in one week at his age so even if it turns out that it really was the flu he still should have been more careful.

babynoz said:

terrig said:

THIS. I couldnt sleep - I had a really bad feeling and kept pestering about it on twitter. I sent him a DM begging him to cancel the party.

Wow, I couldn't sleep either. I kept praying that somebody could get through to him.

I was very worried too.

I'll be watching the scandalous video in honour to him the whole week as I used to back then clinging on to things now that meant to me the most. I am very sad folks. He was more than an icon, a very unique special being who should have been much more appreciated. There are absolutely no words that can describe him. I have never been a fan of anybody except him, so you know how I feel same like you all feel. Just numb and by the end of this week it'll be worse after watching the video.

OzlemUcucu said:

babynoz said:

Wow, I couldn't sleep either. I kept praying that somebody could get through to him.

I was very worried too.

I'll be watching the scandalous video in honour to him the whole week as I used to back then clinging on to things now that meant to me the most. I am very sad folks. He was more than an icon, a very unique special being who should have been much more appreciated. There are absolutely no words that can describe him. I have never been a fan of anybody except him, so you know how I feel same like you all feel. Just numb and by the end of this week it'll be worse after watching the video.

i feel like you do...i've been in it sime i'm 12 i'm 52 now - i can finally listen t a whole song but nothing prepared me for a world without Prince in it. I feel the absence of his energy in the universe, if that makes any sense. Like the balance of the universe if off-kilter now - thats how heavy and full of life he was...that his absence has thrown my universe out of balance.

terrig said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Interesting viewpoint. I didn't look at it from the business point of view, but of course you are right. At the same time he obviously underestimate his health condition.He thought he would be fine with the overmediation as he used to be. Still a bit of a risky decision. On the other hand he may have had many other occassions like in Moline which nobody knows about. I know about addicted people, they take risks to the extreme limit.

However, nobody knows how addicted he was so this is all speculation.

someone posted a link in one of the other threads called VIP Syndrome - where a celebrity can sometimes elude typical procedures because caretakers become starstruck. I fear some of that may play into this as we find out more information.

Im not sure Prince had anyone around him he would listen to...and if 'agitated' as its said he was in the last few days...it would make it even more difficult to get him to take more care.

My hubby is a major pain in the ass when he's not feeling right and wont admit it - I cannot imagine the wrath of a pissed off Prince who doesnt want to be told want he doesnt want to hear.

Tell me about it....husband and two grown sons here, I'm going to worry my damn self to death trying to deal with them when they get sick. I imagine that Prince was quite a handful even when he felt fine so it would have been no easy task.

It would have taken nothing short of a battle hardened, tough, old ass nurse every bit as ornery as P to make him listen. You know how they do....give him the tough love and then baby him up until he was putty in her hands. Those types of women have no regard for vip nonsense.

There was another article posted here also that stated how agitated he had become to the point where they were calling NY and Cali so I thought that could mean they actually were trying hard to find someone that he would listen to.

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