BartVanHemelen said:

Look, until the estate is settled, zilch is going to happen. And unless there's a miracle, expect a loooong legal battle. Just look at the shit that was flung WRT a memorial service, or how Duane's heirs were left out of Tyka's court action.

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Let's not forget that there's a huge chance they'll need to pay lotsa taxes because Prince didn't get shit settled.

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Mark my words: this is going to take years, and in the end some company is going to pony up a lot of dough which Tyka et al will accept just to pay off their costs. And then we're still nowhere. Because now the content sof the vault need to be catalogued and appraised, and plans need to be made on what to release. There's supposedly a fuckload in there, but I'd be astonished if they even bother with anything post-1989 until muuuuch later.

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Now whatever they decide to release needs to be mastered. Grundman's price is $500/hour IIRC, and I doubt mastering can be done fast.

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You need artwork and liner notes. Another cost. Is there video associated? Another massive cost.

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And in the end you cannot just flood the market and expect money to come rolling in. You need a plan, a long-term schedule, etc. You need someone to fund all this.

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Anyone expecting anything soon is going to be massively disappointed.

Some good points there. All the more reason that the family / whomever the possession of the Vault falls should, I'm sorry to say, sell the lot off to a recording company that is already prepared to handle all those tasks.

BoraBora said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the configuration the Susan Rogers posted included Sexual Suicide (intro) Power Fantastic In a Large Room With No Light. I don't think those 3 were on the alleged final configuration.

The three tracks you mention are actually on the 3rd June 1986 configuration (the 2nd reported by PrinceVault).

Let's hope this also will leak in pristine quality, sooner or later.

yes that is the album flow I want. And Susannah Melvoin has the original album artwork for it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

BoraBora said:

The three tracks you mention are actually on the 3rd June 1986 configuration (the 2nd reported by PrinceVault).

Let's hope this also will leak in pristine quality, sooner or later.

yes that is the album flow I want. And Susannah Melvoin has the original album artwork for it.

Looking well at the tracklist, the only song we really miss in pristine quality is "In A Large Room With No Light" (and maybe "Sexual Suicide" that as far as I remember could be little different from the official CB version).

Leaking them, we could do this configuration ourselves.

BartVanHemelen said:

Look, until the estate is settled, zilch is going to happen. And unless there's a miracle, expect a loooong legal battle. Just look at the shit that was flung WRT a memorial service, or how Duane's heirs were left out of Tyka's court action.

.

Let's not forget that there's a huge chance they'll need to pay lotsa taxes because Prince didn't get shit settled.

.

Mark my words: this is going to take years, and in the end some company is going to pony up a lot of dough which Tyka et al will accept just to pay off their costs. And then we're still nowhere. Because now the content sof the vault need to be catalogued and appraised, and plans need to be made on what to release. There's supposedly a fuckload in there, but I'd be astonished if they even bother with anything post-1989 until muuuuch later.

.

Now whatever they decide to release needs to be mastered. Grundman's price is $500/hour IIRC, and I doubt mastering can be done fast.

.

You need artwork and liner notes. Another cost. Is there video associated? Another massive cost.

.

And in the end you cannot just flood the market and expect money to come rolling in. You need a plan, a long-term schedule, etc. You need someone to fund all this.

.

Anyone expecting anything soon is going to be massively disappointed.

100% truth & predictions right there. Fans, dont expect anything else. Thanks Bart.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Look, until the estate is settled, zilch is going to happen. And unless there's a miracle, expect a loooong legal battle. Just look at the shit that was flung WRT a memorial service, or how Duane's heirs were left out of Tyka's court action.

.

Let's not forget that there's a huge chance they'll need to pay lotsa taxes because Prince didn't get shit settled.

.

Mark my words: this is going to take years, and in the end some company is going to pony up a lot of dough which Tyka et al will accept just to pay off their costs. And then we're still nowhere. Because now the content sof the vault need to be catalogued and appraised, and plans need to be made on what to release. There's supposedly a fuckload in there, but I'd be astonished if they even bother with anything post-1989 until muuuuch later.

.

Now whatever they decide to release needs to be mastered. Grundman's price is $500/hour IIRC, and I doubt mastering can be done fast.

.

You need artwork and liner notes. Another cost. Is there video associated? Another massive cost.

.

And in the end you cannot just flood the market and expect money to come rolling in. You need a plan, a long-term schedule, etc. You need someone to fund all this.

.

Anyone expecting anything soon is going to be massively disappointed.

100% truth & predictions right there. Fans, dont expect anything else. Thanks Bart.

To some extent, I have more expectation in fans that in the estate.

I'd really love to hear them, but I agree with others saying that it may be a while until we will hear them.

Thank God for bootlegs...

jwar said:

BoraBora said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yes that is the album flow I want. And Susannah Melvoin has the original album artwork for it.

Looking well at the tracklist, the only song we really miss in pristine quality is "In A Large Room With No Light" (and maybe "Sexual Suicide" that as far as I remember could be little different from the official CB version).

Leaking them, we could do this configuration ourselves.

But the world won't have access to it.

Now that Prince is gone, the underground can't be the way the music continues

Plus (with fingers crossed) Susannah is able to include the Prince approved album artwork

OldFriends4Sale said:

But the world won't have access to it.

Now that Prince is gone, the underground can't be the way the music continues

Do you think the world is and will be forever interested in P work like all of us?!?!?!?!?

Take a look at (to say) John Lennon music officially released and after take a look at all the music circulating between proper fans.

More or less, the history of an artist post-mortem legacy is ever the same.

And for our luck we are fans of one of the most prolific artist in the music entire history, good for us but at the same time even more selective for casual listeners and general public.

The legalities will take years.

I wonder how many songs are left that folks have from the vault to leak, remember last year we got a ton of unexpected stuff. I think it's a safe assumption to say that there is still a lot being sat on.

OldFriends4Sale said:

BoraBora said:

Looking well at the tracklist, the only song we really miss in pristine quality is "In A Large Room With No Light" (and maybe "Sexual Suicide" that as far as I remember could be little different from the official CB version).

Leaking them, we could do this configuration ourselves.

But the world won't have access to it.

Now that Prince is gone, the underground can't be the way the music continues

Plus (with fingers crossed) Susannah is able to include the Prince approved album artwork

Do we know that he approved it?

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But the world won't have access to it.

Now that Prince is gone, the underground can't be the way the music continues

Plus (with fingers crossed) Susannah is able to include the Prince approved album artwork

Do we know that he approved it?

YES

BoraBora said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But the world won't have access to it.

Now that Prince is gone, the underground can't be the way the music continues

Do you think the world is and will be forever interested in P work like all of us?!?!?!?!?

Take a look at (to say) John Lennon music officially released and after take a look at all the music circulating between proper fans.

More or less, the history of an artist post-mortem legacy is ever the same.

And for our luck we are fans of one of the most prolific artist in the music entire history, good for us but at the same time even more selective for casual listeners and general public.

That is why we should want the music available.

I know the circulating will be heavy among fans. But what about new fans?

I'm just saying, if the stuff isn't out for people to even have access to then that isn't fair.
How many fans didn't have access to post WB albums anymore. A lot.
Even videos that so many don't/can't see. Yes we(not all of us) have access 2 them, but why not everyone...

BoraBora said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But the world won't have access to it.

Now that Prince is gone, the underground can't be the way the music continues

Do you think the world is and will be forever interested in P work like all of us?!?!?!?!?

Take a look at (to say) John Lennon music officially released and after take a look at all the music circulating between proper fans.

More or less, the history of an artist post-mortem legacy is ever the same.

And for our luck we are fans of one of the most prolific artist in the music entire history, good for us but at the same time even more selective for casual listeners and general public.

This is such a unique situation. No other artist has had this much music left to be released after death, not to mention the remastering of his released material.

But, honestly how long can they milk it for? 10 years? 50 years?

I suspect that much of it will never see the light of day, unless they could start releasing stuff asap.

Given the fact that there was no will, then I am not sure there is a way for this to happen quickly.

Hell, just sorting through everything is going to take an extremely long time. Not to mention converting the analog tapes to digital. I hope a lot of this is already done, but I am pretty sure Prince felt much more secure without digital copies of this unreleased music existing.

The logical step would be to remaster his current albums with all the b-sides and songs recorded from that period added.

Then, albums that were "in the can" will need to be separate releases.

All this needs to happen as soon as possible. There are a lot of "new" Prince fans since his passing.

Having said that, besides us die hards, how many are going to be willing to pony up for all this unreleased material?

I am for them starting a website, possibly subscription and/or ala cart or even a one time lifetime membership fee, so music could be added everyday, week or month until it is done. This makes it available quicker and starts a steady stream of income.

Trying to create physical releases of all this material will a bad decision and too time consuming.

I am open for the releases but I would prefer them to be as is, not altered. I know it will be a long time before anything is released, if anything is released. I just hope that the music is not updated. I want to hear the tracks as Prince finished them (even unfinished).

Maybe Roadhouse Garden was the compliation of the best tracks? I do wonder if Prince ever just formed albums with artwork.

Time will tell. I hope that if the Vault is released, it is done without oversaturating the market.

I thought it would be cool to create a website based on Paisley Park. You can "walk" around Paisley and see the studios and rehearsal hall. Of course, the living area and elevator is off limits out of respect. You can navigate to the Vault door and access tracks that way (with payment).

Also, videos could be released in the editing room (if there is one), rehearsal and concerts can be watched via the reheasal hall. The Egg could be a merchandise store. Just an idea.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Do we know that he approved it?

YES

Source?

MIRvmn said:

jwar said:

Some good points there. All the more reason that the family / whomever the possession of the Vault falls should, I'm sorry to say, sell the lot off to a recording company that is already prepared to handle all those tasks.

I wouldn't be surprised if WB gives them an offer they can't resist and I'm fine with that.I think WB will handle it professionally

I think you might be right and, let's face it, it would be the best case scenario. It might be against Prince's wishes, but they are more likely to get it right than anyone else.

I'd love to know where WB are at the moment regarding remasters amongst other stuff!!

I wish Matt had been more specific regarding content.

We know he can't talk about Dream Factory as such: too much of its multiple configurations was released on SOTT and it can't be released as an unreleased album.

Roadhouse Garden may or may not have been compiled but it's much later than 1986.

So that leaves me wondering whether Prince compiled albums for fun, without any hope of releasing them (he has hinted at that in a recent interview, but his statement was ambiguous), or if Matt means that there is enough material to compile in order to make two albums.

Anyway Prince's estate is in no condition to allow this until all the legal issues are solved and the vault is catalogued. As others have said this may take years.

jstar69 said:

I'd love to know where WB are at the moment regarding remasters amongst other stuff!!

Stuck until legal matters are settled regarding P's estate.

WB can maybe remaster existing releases from the original masters without Prince's estate agreeing, but this means neither a proper remeaster from the original tapes (which are in the vault) nor any additional material (which is also in the vault).

So it remains to be seen whether WB will try to cash quickly on the hype or wait to make a deal that will allow them to offer bonus material. They can also do one now with a few essential albums and the other later with a more comprehensive rerelease program, but they may be criticized for making fans buy the same things over and over. I think the smart move would be to wait, because it's not certain too many people would buy those records again without any extra material, but I'm no records exec and unsure how much money can be made with each option.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

jstar69 said:

I'd love to know where WB are at the moment regarding remasters amongst other stuff!!

Stuck until legal matters are settled regarding P's estate.

WB can maybe remaster existing releases from the original masters without Prince's estate agreeing, but this means neither a proper remeaster from the original tapes (which are in the vault) nor any additional material (which is also in the vault).

So it remains to be seen whether WB will try to cash quickly on the hype or wait to make a deal that will allow them to offer bonus material. They can also do one now with a few essential albums and the other later with a more comprehensive rerelease program, but they may be criticized for making fans buy the same things over and over. I think the smart move would be to wait, because it's not certain too many people would buy those records again without any extra material, but I'm no records exec and unsure how much money can be made with each option.

it poses some interesting questions - im wondering if P already gave WB some additional material to support remasters? I think alot of money will be on the table for whoever is determined to own/manage his estate

jwar said:

"At the end of 1986 there were definitely two albums in the can that never saw the light of day. It's stuff that was recorded with the group and co-written with the group, just a continuation of what we were doing after the Parade album and before Prince made the decision to disband the group at that point." Fink adds that the Revolution members have made "an open offer to Prince's family to put those out as soon as possible."

source: http://www.billboard.com/...ce=twitter

Most of us know about Roadhouse Garden's existence. What might the other one be?

ANSWER: The Dream Factory

jstar69 said:

databank said:

Stuck until legal matters are settled regarding P's estate.

WB can maybe remaster existing releases from the original masters without Prince's estate agreeing, but this means neither a proper remeaster from the original tapes (which are in the vault) nor any additional material (which is also in the vault).

So it remains to be seen whether WB will try to cash quickly on the hype or wait to make a deal that will allow them to offer bonus material. They can also do one now with a few essential albums and the other later with a more comprehensive rerelease program, but they may be criticized for making fans buy the same things over and over. I think the smart move would be to wait, because it's not certain too many people would buy those records again without any extra material, but I'm no records exec and unsure how much money can be made with each option.

it poses some interesting questions - im wondering if P already gave WB some additional material to support remasters? I think alot of money will be on the table for whoever is determined to own/manage his estate

If he did it was only for PR. Prince implied on Twitter that he had delivered and that WB stalled, and I would assume that they did so... precisely because he hadn't delivered any extra material. Either that or because P had taken nearly 2 years to deliver and they didn't feel inclined to play nice doggy and follow his agenda when they expected it delivered in mid to late 2014. It's also possible that P was bullshitting us (it wouldn't have been the first time) and WB has nothing.

If WB indeed has a proper PR remaster with bonus material and legal clearance to release it, I think it'll be out soon. But it can only be PR at this stage.

databank said:

jstar69 said:

it poses some interesting questions - im wondering if P already gave WB some additional material to support remasters? I think alot of money will be on the table for whoever is determined to own/manage his estate

If he did it was only for PR. Prince implied on Twitter that he had delivered and that WB stalled, and I would assume that they did so... precisely because he hadn't delivered any extra material. Either that or because P had taken nearly 2 years to deliver and they didn't feel inclined to play nice doggy and follow his agenda when they expected it delivered in mid to late 2014. It's also possible that P was bullshitting us (it wouldn't have been the first time) and WB has nothing.

If WB indeed has a proper PR remaster with bonus material and legal clearance to release it, I think it'll be out soon. But it can only be PR at this stage.

Exactly if WB have it it will be out - shame none of us have a source inside WB to clarify where they were up to.... I used to have someone back in 1988/1989 when Warner had an office in Australia, but that ship has sailed....

jdcxc said: