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Updated Sound Info on "Small Club" Releases 20+ year Prince fan but brand new here. Saw an old, closed/locked thread asking about sound quality comparisons of various versions of the "Small Club" concert, and thought I'd share some interesting info I've found.
I've been able to compare 3 versions: the Thunderball release from 2000; the Sabotage release from 2002; and the unlabeled online version that's been posted widely on blogs and download sites for the past few years. Here's what I've found:
I. Sabotage and Thunderball Are Identical. Both are based on the exact same digital source. The digital music files are bit-for-bit identical. The Sabotage is a clone of the Thunderball.
The only sonic difference is that the Sabotage version attenuates a very small number of digital/static "ticks" that plague the original source.
II. The Common Online Version Is from a 1991 Beech Marten Bootleg. The online version has 5 tracks on disc 1 and 6 tracks on disc 2. Only three bootlegs have 6 tracks on disc 2, and only two of those have track titles that match the online version: the original 1988 X Records version from France, and the 1991 Beech Marten version. Since the online version is said to be the only one that sounds as good as the original X Records version, it stands to reason that it can't be the original, and therefore must be the Beech Marten version, which almost certainly is just a clone of the X Records version.
III. The Thunderball and Sabotage sound better (IMHO). The Beech Marten seems to have had EQ or noise reduction applied - it has less hiss, less treble detail, and a slightly muffled high end compared to the Thunderball and the Sabotage. It's also possible that the Thunderball/Sabotage simply boosted the high end slightly. Which sound is better is a matter of preference, but after listening to the Beech Marten for a couple of years and then hearing the Thunderball/Sabotage for the first time, the latter just seems clearer, better balanced, and more open-sounding.
IV. The Thunderball and Sabotage have channels reversed from the X and Beech Marten. I was shocked when I loaded up the Beech Marten vs. the Thunderball/Sabotage in my audio editor and saw that the L and R channels are reversed. I have no idea which one has the correct L-R orientation.
V. The Different Versions Might Be from Different Digital Transfers/Copies of the Tape. The Beech Martin has a small but very audible dropout around 2:58 into the first track, and the Thunderball/Sabotage does not. Thunderball/Sabotage might simply have deleted the dropout (it's short enough to do that without creating a problem in the music). But they might also be from a different, later digital copy of the original source tape. If so, that would explain the added high-end presence and (IMHO) more natural-sounding tape hiss on the Thunderball/Sabotage.
Unfortunately I have not yet tracked down the original X Records version, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that it is identical in sound to the Beech Marten, but all the evidence suggests it is.
I also haven't found the 1996 Moonraker version, but because it's chronologically the first version to group disc 2 into 5 tracks rather than 6 - and because Thunderball uses very similar cover art to Moonraker - I would strongly suspect that the Moonraker is the original source for the sonic version that appears on both Thunderball and Sabotage.
Would love to hear others' thoughts on this! [Edited 5/24/16 14:50pm] [Edited 5/24/16 14:51pm] | |
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I have it on vinyl, which I bought in the late '80's. Can't remember the label, but I'm assuming it was pressed directly from the soundboard recording. Does that sound right? It has this cover: | |
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Apparently the label was Vigotone. Someone was trying to sell this set for $625 on eBay last week. | |
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Yes, almost certainly pressed from the soundboard tape - although since that vinyl issue came out in '88 or '89, it's possible it was pressed from a DAT copy. I suspect, but cannot prove, that most or all bootlegs were pressed from DAT copies; hence the small, seemingly digital-style "ticks." | |
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'XRecords'. Miss-spelled track names and all. R.A.D.E anyone? [Edited 5/24/16 15:16pm] | |
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Marrk said: 'XRecords'. Miss-spelled track names and all. R.A.D.E anyone? That's the copy I got I will take my place, In the great below | |
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edited. oops. [Edited 5/24/16 16:52pm] | |
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Since you have the X Records version, can you tell us if the first track has a brief droput around 2:58? That would help establish whether or not the online/Beech Marten version is a clone of the X Records version.
The X and the Beech Marten have the same goofy/incorrect track names, but I haven't been able to get ahold of the X version to confirm whether or not it's actually the same source/sound as the Beech Marten.
Thanks! [Edited 5/24/16 17:01pm] | |
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