"Disrespect" by The Gap Band (1985)

when I saw the "Disrespect" video back in '85,I was wondering what their "beef" was with Prince.I assumed it was just the various Pince "incidents" that were happening back then (him cussing out a fan who approached him for an autograph.....not doing "We Are The World"...having his bodyguards beat up a photographer)....admittedly these were petty things,but it rubbed some folks the wrong way

Truthfully, NO ONE is going to cop to seeing any drugs anywhere around Prince or seeing Prince use them. Given the investigation that is going on, they know damn well they'd be bringing a world of shit down on themselves to say otherwise so that's not gonna happen. Not buying any of it, but also not saying that I think anyone is responsible for what happened to Prince.

duccichucka said:

Didn't one of Prince's bodyguards come out and claim that he never saw Prince using/abusing
drugs?

[Edited 5/23/16 14:33pm]

pennylover said:

RJOrion said:

after watching/listening to the video, Charlie didnt really say anything inflammatory or disrespectful...he may have wanted to...but he consciously self-censored what he said, despite what ill will may remain from the late 70s

Watch it again, like MJ007 said "JEALOUSY brings out the worst in people". And its obvious Charlie has always been jealous of Prince. He’s talking like he got the autopsy report in front of him. He needs 2 stfu already

Maybe Prince took his woman back in the day.

It isnt about knowing prince.No one obviously did if they had no idea what he was possibly struggling with.But,anyway in repeating his words he said AINT NOBODY GOING TO PLAY ME.

duccichucka said:

MJ007 said:

I respect your points but you're making assumptions just like CW. We don't KNOW the facts. CW and Prince weren't friends so why make such statements like he has some insider information. Even those closest to Prince are puzzled, so CW can take a row of seats. Prince was private about his philanthropic work, so why in the heck would he be public about anything else in his personal life. If anything, the man was consistent that it was his music he was sharing but his private life was his.

We don't know all the facts, yes, this is true. But we do know that Prince was found with Percocets on his person; that there was a gentleman with Bupes on his person who discovered Prince; that his airplane had an emergency landing in Molina; that Prince was seen filling several prescriptions in pharmacies; and that Prince had issues related to hip pain. We also know that the DEA is involved with investigating his death. So we don't know exactly what killed Prince or why/how he perished,but we can start to make educated guesses that Prince may have had a substance abuse problem due to a dependence on opiate based pain medication.

Your point about Prince's privacy regarding his philanthropy actually goes a long way into showing that if he was private about his charitable works, what makes you think he was NOT going to be public about any alleged substance abuse issue? He played his hand close to his chest and the reason why most of us are shocked is because we never imagined Prince dealing with alleged substance abuse issues. Addiction does not give a fuck if you are Prince or the homeless lady under the bridge who will die alone in the cold.

So what if he had Pecocets on his person? Does this automatically make him a substance abuser? NO it doesn't. Again, stop assuming. We DON'T KNOW the facts. TMZ doesn't count as a source, sorry. And my point about him being private about his charitable works does fall in line with him being private about his personal life. The original point was, no one should be judging if we haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes. That's why people are telling CW to stfu. CW's situation and Prince's situation aren't the same.

some of their shit was fonkay though. burn rubber, droppin a bomb, early in the morning, some of the all time great funk tracks.

MJ007 said:

duccichucka said:

We don't know all the facts, yes, this is true. But we do know that Prince was found with Percocets on his person; that there was a gentleman with Bupes on his person who discovered Prince; that his airplane had an emergency landing in Molina; that Prince was seen filling several prescriptions in pharmacies; and that Prince had issues related to hip pain. We also know that the DEA is involved with investigating his death. So we don't know exactly what killed Prince or why/how he perished,but we can start to make educated guesses that Prince may have had a substance abuse problem due to a dependence on opiate based pain medication.

Your point about Prince's privacy regarding his philanthropy actually goes a long way into showing that if he was private about his charitable works, what makes you think he was NOT going to be public about any alleged substance abuse issue? He played his hand close to his chest and the reason why most of us are shocked is because we never imagined Prince dealing with alleged substance abuse issues. Addiction does not give a fuck if you are Prince or the homeless lady under the bridge who will die alone in the cold.

So what if he had Pecocets on his person? Does this automatically make him a substance abuser? NO it doesn't. Again, stop assuming. We DON'T KNOW the facts. TMZ doesn't count as a source, sorry. And my point about him being private about his charitable works does fall in line with him being private about his personal life. The original point was, no one should be judging if we haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes. That's why people are telling CW to stfu. CW's situation and Prince's situation aren't the same.

Dude, try to chill for a second. Again, if Prince was found with Percocets and his team/staff con-
tacted a prominent substance abuse physician who sent his son to Paisley Park to help Prince, then
we can make educated guesses about the nature of this visit and why it was necessary. But you
really need to relax: I've never said anything other than we are making an educated guess. For
now, there is nothing that makes me think Prince didn't have a substance abuse problem.

You're missing my point about his privacy: Prince was private about his charitable acts. Guess
what? The truth came out - dude was very charitable. Prince, it appears, may have been very
private about his alleged substance abuse issues. Guess what? The truth may come out that
he did have issues. But it is important to note that you are right because until the tox screen's
results are made public, we can only speculate at best, just like the NYT. So, yes, I agree with you.

As far as judging people "if we haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes," that just doesn't
hold as we do this all the time - our legal system is a reflection of this. Judges hand out sentences
and juries convict people all the time without having shared a similar experience with the accused.
Also, just for a matter of logic, it does not follow that in order to judge someone, I must be
able to identify with their struggle or hardship. Wilson, per his report, has walked similarly with
Prince as both appear to have had substance abuse issues. Wilson is out of pocket because he
is unfairly comparing his addiction issues with Prince's addiction issues, and he is doing so in a
very condescending manner that is disrespectful to Prince who is not here to defend himself. But
I don't think for a second that Prince was not abusing opiates, and because I do not worship him,
I am not afraid to criticize him for hiding behind his privacy when he could have used his celebrity
to help other people living with substance abuse issues.

it's still a mystery to me. My mom took oxycodone at the time of her death, didn't have anything to do with her dying. but yes, it does look like Prince had a major issue, but do we know all the answers. What if he had cancer and didn't want to die in the hospital. I've said it before and I know some of you can't understand it but us minorities really don't like or trust white doctors. If he was already in great pain and dying, it would make sense that he was trying to dull it and had problems managing it. I think Prince knew he was dying but I can't figure out that if it was at all preventable, why he wouldn't do more. so i think it's possible that he may have been terminal. I do think, indirectly, his work ethic is responsible, i don't think he'd ever accept aging gracefully (and why should he?) i recall a quote of his "I don't have time for old people". I understand precisely what he meant, old people are often hard to be around, bitter, negative, tired, complaining. i couldn't see prince ever being like that, it was the reason he was around young musicians.

KingSausage said:

Because we all know all doctors are white...

the doctors who made us paranoid are all white, the tuskagee experiment, and with my people, the forced sterilization of Indian women in the 60's. trust me, we have our reasons and Prince had his suspicions I'm sure. don't mean to start shit, it's just history, indians and black people do not trust doctors, sometimes it's to our detriment, i'll admit.

and lets not forget poor Michael who hired a jackass, probably just because he was black and the idiot killed him.

PeteSilas said:

it's still a mystery to me. My mom took oxycodone at the time of her death, didn't have anything to do with her dying. but yes, it does look like Prince had a major issue, but do we know all the answers. What if he had cancer and didn't want to die in the hospital. I've said it before and I know some of you can't understand it but us minorities really don't like or trust white doctors. If he was already in great pain and dying, it would make sense that he was trying to dull it and had problems managing it. I think Prince knew he was dying but I can't figure out that if it was at all preventable, why he wouldn't do more. so i think it's possible that he may have been terminal. I do think, indirectly, his work ethic is responsible, i don't think he'd ever accept aging gracefully (and why should he?) i recall a quote of his "I don't have time for old people". I understand precisely what he meant, old people are often hard to be around, bitter, negative, tired, complaining. i couldn't see prince ever being like that, it was the reason he was around young musicians.

Again it is all speculation, this man was so very private I DOUBT highly he would do drugs in front of people, its that simple. If he was doing them and i say a big IF, Charlie fucking Wilson would be near the bottom of the list of people that would know, this man was not even in Prince's circle. Again we DO NOT know, and honestly we are not ever gonna know because this man died alone and spent most of his time Private and alone. So if the cause was pain meds, or something mixed to it, or a heart attack brought on by it, or some kind of Cancer that he would not let doctors treat he was doing it on his own, and just could not manage it, even now the Minneapolis news said that he was dead for almost 6 hours but also added that Prince had been to the hospital the day before and fluid was injected into him, now to me, that screams medical issues, and not the Hip thing. But again what ever comes out, he is not here, so people like Charlie and Sinead and ex girls or people from his childhood can say this or that to catch some views on Youtube but its all speculation whether they say ITS TRUE or not, don't matter, cause he ain't here.

Let's give Uncle Charlie a pass on account of how many times Prince channelled "Outstanding".

duccichucka said:

MJ007 said:

So what if he had Pecocets on his person? Does this automatically make him a substance abuser? NO it doesn't. Again, stop assuming. We DON'T KNOW the facts. TMZ doesn't count as a source, sorry. And my point about him being private about his charitable works does fall in line with him being private about his personal life. The original point was, no one should be judging if we haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes. That's why people are telling CW to stfu. CW's situation and Prince's situation aren't the same.

Dude, try to chill for a second. Again, if Prince was found with Percocets and his team/staff contacted a prominent substance abuse physician who sent his son to Paisley Park to help Prince, then we can make educated guesses about the nature of this visit and why it was necessary. But you really need to relax: I've never said anything other than we are making an educated guess. For now, there is nothing that makes me think Prince didn't have a substance abuse problem.

You're missing my point about his privacy: Prince was private about his charitable acts. Guess
what? The truth came out - dude was very charitable. Prince, it appears, may have been very
private about his alleged substance abuse issues. Guess what? The truth may come out that
he did have issues. But it is important to note that you are right because until the tox screen's results are made public, we can only speculate at best, just like the NYT. So, yes, I agree with you.

As far as judging people "if we haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes," that just doesn't hold as we do this all the time - our legal system is a reflection of this. Judges hand out sentences and juries convict people all the time without having shared a similar experience with the accused. Also, just for a matter of logic, it does not follow that in order to judge someone, I must be able to identify with their struggle or hardship. Wilson, per his report, has walked similarly with Prince as both appear to have had substance abuse issues. Wilson is out of pocket because he is unfairly comparing his addiction issues with Prince's addiction issues, and he is doing so in a very condescending manner that is disrespectful to Prince who is not here to defend himself. But I don't think for a second that Prince was not abusing opiates, and because I do not worship him, I am not afraid to criticize him for hiding behind his privacy when he could have used his celebrity to help other people living with substance abuse issues.

First off madam, I'm not a dude. Secondly, I am chill so you need to really relax. You feel that the (lack of) evidence supports your theory that Prince had a substance abuse problem. I don't feel that way. So let's leave it at that - we don't agree on that point. I'm not changing your mind and you ain't changing mine. And regarding CW judging, he can do whatever the hell he wants. However, don't expect that no one is going to put a mirror in his face and say "who the f**k are you to be talking such shit?" He was being messy and there is no denying it. Now come on, you can clearly see that. And that was my point.

lastdecember said:

PeteSilas said:

it's still a mystery to me. My mom took oxycodone at the time of her death, didn't have anything to do with her dying. but yes, it does look like Prince had a major issue, but do we know all the answers. What if he had cancer and didn't want to die in the hospital. I've said it before and I know some of you can't understand it but us minorities really don't like or trust white doctors. If he was already in great pain and dying, it would make sense that he was trying to dull it and had problems managing it. I think Prince knew he was dying but I can't figure out that if it was at all preventable, why he wouldn't do more. so i think it's possible that he may have been terminal. I do think, indirectly, his work ethic is responsible, i don't think he'd ever accept aging gracefully (and why should he?) i recall a quote of his "I don't have time for old people". I understand precisely what he meant, old people are often hard to be around, bitter, negative, tired, complaining. i couldn't see prince ever being like that, it was the reason he was around young musicians.

Again it is all speculation, this man was so very private I DOUBT highly he would do drugs in front of people, its that simple. If he was doing them and i say a big IF, Charlie fucking Wilson would be near the bottom of the list of people that would know, this man was not even in Prince's circle. Again we DO NOT know, and honestly we are not ever gonna know because this man died alone and spent most of his time Private and alone. So if the cause was pain meds, or something mixed to it, or a heart attack brought on by it, or some kind of Cancer that he would not let doctors treat he was doing it on his own, and just could not manage it, even now the Minneapolis news said that he was dead for almost 6 hours but also added that Prince had been to the hospital the day before and fluid was injected into him, now to me, that screams medical issues, and not the Hip thing. But again what ever comes out, he is not here, so people like Charlie and Sinead and ex girls or people from his childhood can say this or that to catch some views on Youtube but its all speculation whether they say ITS TRUE or not, don't matter, cause he ain't here.

what makes you think we'll never know? I think the docs know enough to figure out what killed him, or what contributed to killing him, or whether he had cancer or a heart attack. There are just so many wierd, bizarre things that seem to support all theories of his death. Like his life, it's a mystery that makes you want to know more. just never saw prince going out like this. Michael was a broken man and I felt terribly about his last 15 or so years but Prince was more grounded and disciplined. Like I keep saying, he was never sloppy or had performances where people said he was stoned or drugged (outside of a couple rarities) nothing like michael had in 2001 when he was obviously not in any shape to perform, or whitney who just spent the last years of her life trying to recapture a voice she ruined with drugs or amy winehouse who put on some drunk performances or Elvis who slurred for several years onstage. Prince was never so out of control that that happened and I just find it hard to reconcile with what I know about him. But, if it comes ou that that's what happened, so be it.

PeteSilas said:

what makes you think we'll never know? I think the docs know enough to figure out what killed him, or what contributed to killing him, or whether he had cancer or a heart attack. There are just so many wierd, bizarre things that seem to support all theories of his death. Like his life, it's a mystery that makes you want to know more. just never saw prince going out like this. Michael was a broken man and I felt terribly about his last 15 or so years but Prince was more grounded and disciplined. Like I keep saying, he was never sloppy or had performances where people said he was stoned or drugged (outside of a couple rarities) nothing like michael had in 2001 when he was obviously not in any shape to perform, or whitney who just spent the last years of her life trying to recapture a voice she ruined with drugs or amy winehouse who put on some drunk performances or Elvis who slurred for several years onstage. Prince was never so out of control that that happened and I just find it hard to reconcile with what I know about him. But, if it comes ou that that's what happened, so be it.

This is how I feel exactly. And that is why I'm not assuming/concluding that he had an addiction to pain meds. If it turns out that he did, so what. It's not going to change anything to me about his legacy and his brilliance. He was human and like most humans, we have our vices.

Black people understand the tone and intent of what Wilson said. It is a veiled delivery with gestures and inflections that have a different meaning to black folks than those outside the community. We know what Wilson was insinuating and we know what he was doing to Prince's memory. Alas it is us that you can not fool.

FUNKYNESS said:

Black people understand the tone and intent of what Wilson said. It is a veiled delivery with gestures and inflections that have a different meaning to black folks than those outside the community. We know what Wilson was insinuating and we know what he was doing to Prince's memory. Alas it is us that you can not fool.

Yes, he said it all without "saying" a whole lot in that 2 minute video.

FUNKYNESS said:

Black people understand the tone and intent of what Wilson said. It is a veiled delivery with gestures and inflections that have a different meaning to black folks than those outside the community. We know what Wilson was insinuating and we know what he was doing to Prince's memory. Alas it is us that you can not fool.

well, spill the beans buddy, did you see something?

also, how do we know he ain't just gloating? Jerry Lee and Chuck kinda gloated when Elvis died.

Charlie almost never does a show without covering "The Bird". I don't think he slighted Prince. He's just being real. Just keeping it in the range of Percoet, we've been hearing about Prince's hip pain since at least 2006. That's a long time to take pills and not be an addict.

ya, we all heard it, but I've also seen and heard evidence of Prince doing things as if he knew his time was limited. And in that case, I doubt that he would ever plan on dying from drugs. I think his attempts to patch up with old band members and his general retrospective vibe, he knew his time was limited. I guess if Prince did have aids or cancer, and that the drugs were just contributory, that they wouldn't tell us anything until they have all the results in.

funksterr said:

Charlie almost never does a show without covering "The Bird". I don't think he slighted Prince. He's just being real. Just keeping it in the range of Percoet, we've been hearing about Prince's hip pain since at least 2006. That's a long time to take pills and not be an addict.

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Well, Charlie didn't perform "The Bird" the last time he came to Neckbone, so now I'm really pissed. Let's see...that means he owes me $5.89 off my ticket for not performing "The Bird." I'mma have to talk to his ass about that next time he come to Neckbone.

neckbone ain't a real place is it? sorry to ask but that would be fucked up if it was, be like naming a town hambone or something.

PeteSilas said:

neckbone ain't a real place is it? sorry to ask but that would be fucked up if it was, be like naming a town hambone or something.

Neckbone is five miles south of Bumfuck.

duccichucka said:

PeteSilas said: