violectrica said:

The situation you describe would be like heath ledger. Who was mad at heath ledger!? It's tragic. That's a tragedy.

Ledger had known serious drug problems.

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He was found dead the day he came home from a break in filming in the UK, with a rolled up note beside him, but no street drugs in his system.

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Let me suggest, given his drug issues, the rolled up note, and the fact that he'd just come home, possibly lead to him misplacing or losing his stash. He then - we believe - took every other kind of pill in the house he could lay his hands on to compensate. And died.

McD said:

violectrica said:

The situation you describe would be like heath ledger. Who was mad at heath ledger!? It's tragic. That's a tragedy.

Ledger had known serious drug problems.

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He was found dead the day he came home from a break in filming in the UK, with a rolled up note beside him, but no street drugs in his system.

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Let me suggest, given his drug issues, the rolled up note, and the fact that he'd just come home, possibly lead to him misplacing or losing his stash. He then - we believe - took every other kind of pill in the house he could lay his hands on to compensate. And died.

what was the significance of the "rolled up note'?

PeteSilas said:

cardinal said:

If Ps death from drug use was related to severe pain, I'd have no additional misgivings, it'd still be a very, very sad and unfortunate ending; I can rationalize 100 different ways he could fall victim to that downward spiral.

If Ps death from drug use was related to recreational purposes, I'd definitely be more disappointed. I wouldn't use the word angry.

That wouldn't anger me; it would sadden me.

I said this about Freddie Mercury and I'll say it about P: if he had put a gun to his head and blown his brains out, it wouldn't make any difference: I'd still be sad that he was dead.

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MissMarySharon said:

HeavenMustBNear said:

cardinal said:

i am not talking suicide, but rather, if this dependency/addiction stuff turns out to be true, and if he turned down treatments/offers for friends to stay over, etc. and this ended up happening partly or largely because of his own choices or stubborness, i fear that it will complicate what is already a complicated grief process. it is common enough to be angry at the one who died, but if they played a part in it, even if they did not want to die, it will be even more likely that some of us will be pissed at prince for that. while i understand on a cognitive level it is a normal part of grieving, i don't know if on top of everything else i can handle being angry at him, too. because i feel tremendous sympathy and pity for his suffering, whatever it was, and the way and place he died haunts me. i know we don't have official results yet, but we can all see what direction this is going in. how do y'all feel about this? [Edited 5/21/16 18:31pm]

I think the nature of your question evidences an unhealthy physchological fixation/obsession with Prince that might be helped through some professional counseling. It might be helpful to spend time contemplating that this was a man who you didn't know, and who didn't know you. He was a complex individual with flaws and strenths, just like all of us, and not somebody who should be hero worshiped. (This is not an attack by the way, but a serious observation - the fact that you claim unequivocally that Mani is an idiot for divorcing Prince when you know nothing about what it was like to be married to Prince is a good example of what I'm referencing.)

If you work through the foregoing, you'll be able to handle the truth of whatever happened much easier, as you'll have a healthier, detached perspective.

Whatever the results are, he will always be my man.

He will always be my musical hero.

BanishedBrian said:

cardinal said:

BanishedBrian said:

I think the nature of your question evidences an unhealthy physchological fixation/obsession with Prince that might be helped through some professional counseling. It might be helpful to spend time contemplating that this was a man who you didn't know, and who didn't know you. He was a complex individual with flaws and strenths, just like all of us, and not somebody who should be hero worshiped. (This is not an attack by the way, but a serious observation - the fact that you claim unequivocally that Mani is an idiot for divorcing Prince when you know nothing about what it was like to be married to Prince is a good example of what I'm referencing.)

If you work through the foregoing, you'll be able to handle the truth of whatever happened much easier, as you'll have a healthier, detached perspective.

um, no. thanks for the concern, but if you actually knew me, you would know hero worship and "obsession" is not in my dna. i have met several quite famous individuals and have not been fazed on iota. the vast majority of us here did not know prince personally, and yet i have seen all variety of expressions of love and grief. since anger towards the deceased is a normal part of the grieving process, it is reasonable to wonder if anyone here felt it, even though most did not know prince on a personal level. i think it is very unfortunate that an honest discussion of our feelings and experiences is immediately met with remote psychological diagnoses and calls for people to seek professional counseling. sadly, i can un derstand why so many are reluctant to share their views on forums and experience their grief silently and alone. what a shame. peace

Your reaction here is quite normal under the circumstances. You are looking at this from the perspective of someone who, in your words, thinks there "is no other logical explanation" to someone divorcing Prince other than they must be "young and stupid or just outright wacked".

Those are not the words of someone with a healthy perspective on someone they don't know.

BanishedBrian said:

No anger from me. He was human, he made mistakes just like all of us do. And it's not like anybody could tell Prince what to do. Other than Larry, who did Prince ever listen to? Pretty much nobody.

It's a sad, sad situation. No reason to have anger, unless the investigation determines someone else was responsible for wrongdoing. We don't even know if we can blame a doctor, because for all we know Prince might have been doctor-hopping to get more meds. We simply don't know.

cardinal said:

BanishedBrian said:

Your reaction here is quite normal under the circumstances. You are looking at this from the perspective of someone who, in your words, thinks there "is no other logical explanation" to someone divorcing Prince other than they must be "young and stupid or just outright wacked".

Those are not the words of someone with a healthy perspective on someone they don't know.

from my above comment which we were probably typing at the same time... oh and ps...i think it is ironic that you mention mani in the context of MY "hero worship" ...since she is the one who went on a fan site and stated that the goal of her life was to meet and marry prince, and then did everything she could to make that happen. and in the end, it was quite possibly HER unrealistic expectations and hero worship that led to her not being able to handle a real relationship with him. otoh, i have never been to pp, never tried to meet him, and for the most part, the main part of his personal life that always interested me was his spirituality.

Again, so now you're making more declarative statements about why Mani is "wacked" (your words) because she married someone who dumped girlfriends as frequently as he made albums, and eventually realized it wasn't fulfilling. You have no idea what it's like to spend time with Prince, yet you've created in your mind this utopian fantasy world about it (endless gifts, sex and pleasantry), which is clearly adding to your grief. That's my larger point - if you work through these issues, you'll grieve but not necessarily feel that he "owes you" something personally such that you'd be mad at him if he contributed to his own demise. If you realize that he was a flawed/complex person, it won't upset you as much that those same flaws might had a hand in his death - you'll see it as a normal part of life and all its complexity/beauty.

It is healthy to be angry at a family member or close friend who dies - those feelings are normal. It is not healthy to feel that way towards Prince - again, that doesn't mean you can't grieve, just that you shouldn't feel a personal attachment to the idealized fantasy that you're creating in your head.

Statistically speaking, a lot of people will have a hand in their own death.

Obesity, smoking, drinking, not exercising, eating processed meat, not getting checked for this and that, etc.

Pokeno4Money said:

cardinal said:

oh and ps...i think it is ironic that you mention mani in the context of MY "hero worship" ...since she is the one who went on a fan site and stated that the goal of her life was to meet and marry prince, and then did everything she could to make that happen. and in the end, it was quite possibly HER unrealistic expectations and hero worship that led to her not being able to handle a real relationship with him.

While you may know that Mani decided, like many people her age (male and female), that getting a job at PP in her formative years would be a dream come true, the rest of your statements about what happened are unproved speculation, and frankly, none of our collective business as persons with no personal relationship or family connections to Prince or Mani. You seem to be approaching it from a personal perspective, as if Mani wronged you personally. That's not healthy.

BanishedBrian said:

BanishedBrian said:

BanishedBrian said:

cardinal said:

i am not talking suicide, but rather, if this dependency/addiction stuff turns out to be true, and if he turned down treatments/offers for friends to stay over, etc. and this ended up happening partly or largely because of his own choices or stubborness, i fear that it will complicate what is already a complicated grief process. it is common enough to be angry at the one who died, but if they played a part in it, even if they did not want to die, it will be even more likely that some of us will be pissed at prince for that. while i understand on a cognitive level it is a normal part of grieving, i don't know if on top of everything else i can handle being angry at him, too. because i feel tremendous sympathy and pity for his suffering, whatever it was, and the way and place he died haunts me. i know we don't have official results yet, but we can all see what direction this is going in. how do y'all feel about this? [Edited 5/21/16 18:31pm]

I think the nature of your question evidences an unhealthy physchological fixation/obsession with Prince that might be helped through some professional counseling. It might be helpful to spend time contemplating that this was a man who you didn't know, and who didn't know you. He was a complex individual with flaws and strenths, just like all of us, and not somebody who should be hero worshiped. (This is not an attack by the way, but a serious observation - the fact that you claim unequivocally that Mani is an idiot for divorcing Prince when you know nothing about what it was like to be married to Prince is a good example of what I'm referencing.)

If you work through the foregoing, you'll be able to handle the truth of whatever happened much easier, as you'll have a healthier, detached perspective.

Thank you. These people with an unhealthy physchological fixation/obsession with Prince do need professional counseling. I have seen some downright frightening posts on this site over the last few weeks. That unto itself is cause for concern.

wayhome said:

repeat (in order to answer OP's question): www.rawstory.com/2016/05/...ronic-pain

I hope, with compassion.........

Anyone who has broken a bone, and/or has had degenerative arthritis and has had "bone-on-bone" in a joint, knows how EXTREMELY painful this is. Not only do you have to deal with the extreme pain in the arthritic joint, but you also have to deal with the stigmatic judgment of others.

We need to (try to) be patient and wait for the autopsy results to come out. We want them to get this right, and we need to give them the time to do so.

[Edited 5/22/16 7:48am]

cardinal said:

wayhome said:

Thank you. These people with an unhealthy physchological fixation/obsession with Prince do need professional counseling. I have seen some downright frightening posts on this site over the last few weeks. That unto itself is cause for concern.

i think it is sad/ironic/funny that so many have said that people who don't know prince have an "unhealthy attachment" to him while at the same time said people are remotely diagnosing people via internet that they themselves don't know and have never met with complex psychological disorders. pot kettle, perhaps? ...strange times for sure.

When someone starts a thread about Prince's marriage, proceeds to make flat out, declarative statements, that any woman who would divorce Prince is crazy, and then continues to post over and over... culminating in new threads about whether "we" (i.e., those of us who didn't know him personally) could emotionally handle it if it turns out Prince happened to do something self-defeating while wearing his big boy pants... yes, in those circumstances, it is possible for observing persons to provide a valid therapy referral without the need for a face-to-face confirm.

Edit: I will add that you also have been spinning theories about how something to do with Prince's death might be related to a plot by WB to take back his masters... c'mon now.

[Edited 5/22/16 7:42am]

BanishedBrian said:

BanishedBrian said:

cardinal said:

wayhome said: i think it is sad/ironic/funny that so many have said that people who don't know prince have an "unhealthy attachment" to him while at the same time said people are remotely diagnosing people via internet that they themselves don't know and have never met with complex psychological disorders. pot kettle, perhaps? ...strange times for sure.

When someone starts a thread about Prince's marriage, proceeds to make flat out, declarative statements, that any woman who would divorce Prince is crazy, and then continues to post over and over... culminating in new threads about whether "we" (i.e., those of us who didn't know him personally) could emotionally handle it if it turns out Prince happened to do something self-defeating while wearing his big boy pants... yes, in those circumstances, it is possible for observing persons to provide a valid therapy referral without the need for a face-to-face confirm.

Edit: I will add that you also have been spinning theories about how something to do with Prince's death might be related to a plot by WB to take back his masters... c'mon now.

[Edited 5/22/16 7:42am]

Cardinal all I have to do is read what you have been posting here to know and fully realize that it is obsessive and unhealthy.