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Thread started 05/16/16 11:46am

Cloreen

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Has Any Posthumous Release Been Any Good?

OK, we will most likely get posthumous Prince releases. We've had posthumous releases from tons of other artists. Examples:

- John Lennon

- Tupac

- Nirvana

- Hendrix

- The Doors

- Michael Jackson

- Elvis

- Joy Division

...and others.

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Lennon's release after his death did produce a Top 10 hit ("Nobody Told Me"), but overall the album was weak.

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Can you think of any posthumous releases that were any good?

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Reply #1 posted 05/16/16 11:52am

emesem

No not a good track record.

I do think the Jeff Buckley stuff that was releaseed after he passed has been pretty good.

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Reply #2 posted 05/16/16 11:52am

thetimefan

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Sam's "A Change Is Gonna Come" was posthumous IIRC and "Dock of the Bay" by Otis too. As for the other releases from what I've heard the Elvis FTD sets with outtakes etc are superb.
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Reply #3 posted 05/16/16 11:54am

NorthC

Jimi Hendrix:
Live at Woodstock (full concert double cd)
BBC Sessions (radio shows, double cd)
First Rays of the New Rising Sun (the recordings he worked on shortly before his death, 1 cd)
There's more, but these are the ones I have. They all come with a sticker that says "Authorised by the Hendrix family" and they're all excellent. If we get something like this from "the Prince family", then it's going to be good.
[Edited 5/16/16 11:56am]
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Reply #4 posted 05/16/16 12:07pm

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MJ post. releases were chaotic to say the least; except from the commemorative reeditions. Also the material selection and overall production value added were really atrocious. But we all know Prince will have a better chance on new output for sure. One - no one would be crazy enough to allow timbalands and whatnots to rearrange the man's songs, and Two - even if the worst scenario presents us and we get a Crystal Ball type of product, We'd be very happy. cool

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Reply #5 posted 05/16/16 12:11pm

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But did any of them have so much extra quality material?
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #6 posted 05/16/16 12:14pm

FUNKYNESS

NorthC said:

Jimi Hendrix: Live at Woodstock (full concert double cd) BBC Sessions (radio shows, double cd) First Rays of the New Rising Sun (the recordings he worked on shortly before his death, 1 cd) There's more, but these are the ones I have. They all come with a sticker that says "Authorised by the Hendrix family" and they're all excellent. If we get something like this from "the Prince family", then it's going to be good. [Edited 5/16/16 11:56am]

Great examples - although live recordings pose a different question. It is a different undertaking to polish up a great live gig from a legend and just release it. It is going to be good - you cant really mess that up. Hendrix's Woodstock performance is more than legendary. But you can go to Cry of Love and see how a studio album release can be altered and screwed with to the point that it is not an accurate portrayal of the artist at all.

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Reply #7 posted 05/16/16 12:40pm

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FUNKYNESS said:

NorthC said:

Jimi Hendrix: Live at Woodstock (full concert double cd) BBC Sessions (radio shows, double cd) First Rays of the New Rising Sun (the recordings he worked on shortly before his death, 1 cd) There's more, but these are the ones I have. They all come with a sticker that says "Authorised by the Hendrix family" and they're all excellent. If we get something like this from "the Prince family", then it's going to be good. [Edited 5/16/16 11:56am]

Great examples - although live recordings pose a different question. It is a different undertaking to polish up a great live gig from a legend and just release it. It is going to be good - you cant really mess that up. Hendrix's Woodstock performance is more than legendary. But you can go to Cry of Love and see how a studio album release can be altered and screwed with to the point that it is not an accurate portrayal of the artist at all.

What do you dislike about The Cry Of Love?

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Reply #8 posted 05/16/16 12:43pm

FUNKYNESS

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FUNKYNESS said:

Great examples - although live recordings pose a different question. It is a different undertaking to polish up a great live gig from a legend and just release it. It is going to be good - you cant really mess that up. Hendrix's Woodstock performance is more than legendary. But you can go to Cry of Love and see how a studio album release can be altered and screwed with to the point that it is not an accurate portrayal of the artist at all.

What do you dislike about The Cry Of Love?

There is someone else dubbed in playing guitar parts that were hooked onto Jimi's. Google it and see the story.

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Reply #9 posted 05/16/16 12:47pm

FUNKYNESS

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

FUNKYNESS said:

Great examples - although live recordings pose a different question. It is a different undertaking to polish up a great live gig from a legend and just release it. It is going to be good - you cant really mess that up. Hendrix's Woodstock performance is more than legendary. But you can go to Cry of Love and see how a studio album release can be altered and screwed with to the point that it is not an accurate portrayal of the artist at all.

What do you dislike about The Cry Of Love?

I didnt say I disliked it. It is something that was producred by someone other than Hendrix at the end of the day. I dont like it when anyone but Prince produces a Prince release. THis is why I dont like the idea of Joshua Welton as producer - and that happened before Prince died.

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Reply #10 posted 05/16/16 12:49pm

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FUNKYNESS said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

What do you dislike about The Cry Of Love?

There is someone else dubbed in playing guitar parts that were hooked onto Jimi's. Google it and see the story.

Oh for real? I never knew that, I thought only the later Alan Douglas releases featured overdubbed parts, I'll have to google it as you say. That's quite disappointing that Eddie Kramer would do that, thought he'd have more sense than that. BTW you ever seen this:

http://albumsthatneverwer...ising.html

It's an attempt by some guy to compile a version of First Rays Of The New Rising Sun that's as close to Jimi's vision as possible (obviously we'll never know what his final intentions for the release were though) by taking the tracks from the best possible sources to avoid the brickwalling on the official Experience Hendrix release of FROTNRS in the later nineties.

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Reply #11 posted 05/16/16 12:55pm

jjam

Prince's posthumous releases will be fine, as long as they don't bring in some outside producer to tinker with them.

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Reply #12 posted 05/16/16 9:31pm

Fury

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Amy winehouse's lioness hidden treasures had some really nice acoustic versions and demo versions. Actually prefer many of them to the fleshed out versions
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Reply #13 posted 05/16/16 9:33pm

Cloreen

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Fury said:

Amy winehouse's lioness hidden treasures had some really nice acoustic versions and demo versions. Actually prefer many of them to the fleshed out versions

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Interesting. Didn't know that. Good info.

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Reply #14 posted 05/16/16 10:13pm

ufoclub

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Lennon had a single out that of course hit #1 after he was murdered. Lennon chose this single because he had been absent from the singles charting game for a while, and he felt this retro tongue in cheek song kind of fit the bill.





and of course the other hit single which went up to #2




and then there was this single 3 years after his death which hit #5 (production was completed under his widow's supervision):





and of course the famous production made from a cassette demo of extremely poor quality in 1995 with the remaining Beatles adding parts to a recording from 1977. It hit #6 as a single in 1995.



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Reply #15 posted 05/16/16 10:15pm

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Otis Reddings most famous tune was released after death. Sitting On The Dock of the Bay.

2Pac has had some gems, same for Sam Cooke. The Jackson 5 (does that count for MJ) put out a 2 disc collectin a few years after MJs death.
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Reply #16 posted 05/16/16 10:30pm

avajane

Fury said:

Amy winehouse's lioness hidden treasures had some really nice acoustic versions and demo versions. Actually prefer many of them to the fleshed out versions

The songs that were meant to be on her first album were great, especially Halftime and her original version of Wake up Alone is a favorite. The reworking of some songs after her death are not good imo. She actually had demos for her 3rd album, but her record company destroyed them.
Prince has the possibilty of releasing the most posthumous material ever, but I hope he left instructions on who, what, when, and how to release them. If the responsibility is given to a person or group of people who have the best intentions and respect to Prince, we could be blessed with unheard Prince music for years to come. It won't be new, but it will be unheard of. Although the fact that they drilled it open so soon feels like an invasion of privacy.
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Reply #17 posted 05/16/16 10:32pm

h4rm0ny

Cloreen said:

OK, we will most likely get posthumous Prince releases. We've had posthumous releases from tons of other artists. Examples:

- John Lennon

- Tupac

- Nirvana

- Hendrix

- The Doors

- Michael Jackson

- Elvis

- Joy Division

...and others.

.

Lennon's release after his death did produce a Top 10 hit ("Nobody Told Me"), but overall the album was weak.

.

Can you think of any posthumous releases that were any good?

2Pac:

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1. R U Still Down? (Remember Me)

2. Until The End of Time

3. Makaveli The Don Killuminati - 7 Day Theory (I'm not quite sure this counts, since technically it was going to be released whether he was killed or not)

4. Still I Rise

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Johnny Cash:

1. American V: A Hundred Highways

2. American VI: Ain't No Grave

3. Out Among The Stars

4. Bootleg I: Personal File

5. Bootleg II: From Memphis to Hollywood

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(the last two entries in the Bootleg series were terrible, tbh)

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Jimi Hendrix:

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1. South Saturn Delta

2. First Rays of the New Rising Sun

3. Valleys of Neptune

4. West Coast Seattle Boy

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Recently, a bunch of posthumous releases from underground musicians have boosted interest in their careers, as well.

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Reply #18 posted 05/16/16 10:50pm

GeorgieAto

Michael Jacksons Love Never Felt This good is the best posthumus record i think

also Little Richard's Great Gosh Almighty was a good one too

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Reply #19 posted 05/16/16 11:10pm

thetimefan

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Just remembered Biggie's Life after Death which has Mo Money Mo Problems on it etc that was a good posthumous release too. One of the Pac releases with production from Eminem I don't like as much, Id have Shock, Quik or Battlecat produced it instead.
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Reply #20 posted 05/17/16 12:57am

jaawwnn

Cloreen said:

OK, we will most likely get posthumous Prince releases. We've had posthumous releases from tons of other artists. Examples:

- John Lennon

- Tupac

- Nirvana

- Hendrix

- The Doors

- Michael Jackson

- Elvis

- Joy Division

...and others.

.

Lennon's release after his death did produce a Top 10 hit ("Nobody Told Me"), but overall the album was weak.

.

Can you think of any posthumous releases that were any good?

Well, I mean, Closer by Joy Division is a masterpiece isn't it?

Crucially, it was finished, which a lot of Prince recordings are as well.

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Reply #21 posted 05/17/16 1:17am

Thizz

Yes

Michael Jackson's Xscape is a good example

as for Tupac

R U Still Down? (Remember Me), Until the End of Time, Better Dayz . . were all great double disc releases. All of those albums were great

The reaosn Prince's work can't be compared is because his work is going to in a much more completed form than all of these guys who are mostly just recording artists/lyricists . . Prince was a musician and making a song for Prince is more than just recording vocals

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Reply #22 posted 05/17/16 1:23am

Thizz

Fan made fromt he leaked demo that George voted to keep off Anthology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-gc9mdA8GY

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Reply #23 posted 05/17/16 1:56am

jayspud

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Yes

Michael Jackson's Xscape is a good example

as for Tupac

R U Still Down? (Remember Me), Until the End of Time, Better Dayz . . were all great double disc releases. All of those albums were great

The reaosn Prince's work can't be compared is because his work is going to in a much more completed form than all of these guys who are mostly just recording artists/lyricists . . Prince was a musician and making a song for Prince is more than just recording vocals

That's a very good point. It does however also worry me in that as Prince was primarily a muscian, anyone else producing his work is simply going to have a different sound and is unlikely to be at Prince's level. The concern I have is for the tracks that are not very completed and have to be redone a great deal.

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Reply #24 posted 05/17/16 1:58am

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Why are you measuring worth by whether any of the songs charted or not?

This should not be the perspective if his stuff is released.

I don't care one bit if they release the entire Dream Factory set and not one "new" song charts. Those songs just need to be out there for the discerning listeners.

If takes chart action for you, then that's very shallow.

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Reply #25 posted 05/17/16 2:05am

BoraBora


Well, I always linked P more to Miles Davis than any of the artists named since now in previous posts.

And the posthumous releases from Miles are all more or less gems.
Think about "The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions" 4CD or the fantastic "The Complete Jack Johnson Sessions" 6CD release, to list just 2 of them.

I think that this is P's posthumous releases potential.

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Reply #26 posted 05/17/16 2:10am

RachB65

GeorgieAto said:

Michael Jacksons Love Never Felt This good is the best posthumus record i think


also Little Richard's Great Gosh Almighty was a good one too


Little Richard is still alive biggrin
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Reply #27 posted 05/17/16 4:11am

MMJas

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emesem said:

No not a good track record.

I do think the Jeff Buckley stuff that was releaseed after he passed has been pretty good.

I disagree. In fact I doubt he would have liked most of the stuff on MSTD to be released, but that's just my impression...

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Reply #28 posted 05/17/16 11:12am

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GeorgieAto said:

Michael Jacksons Love Never Felt This good is the best posthumus record i think


also Little Richard's Great Gosh Almighty was a good one too


Little Richard is old, but he aint dead.
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Reply #29 posted 05/17/16 11:15am

ludwig

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Prince's posthumous releases will be fine, as long as they don't bring in some outside producer to tinker with them.

Please no Joshua Welton mixes!

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