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lwr001

Prince likely dead for hours before being found : new article

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Reply #1 posted 05/21/16 8:12am

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Reply #2 posted 05/21/16 8:15am

lwr001

this starts to give a clearer picture of what happened etc... the agitated state that people stated he was in is an example of drug use and ore lack of it.. all i can think is, how did this fucking happen to him

We can put to rest finally that drugs didnt play a part in hos death, as they absolutely did....it changes nothinig

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Reply #3 posted 05/21/16 8:15am

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Read that this morning. So very sad. My thought is that he died sometime on the evening of 4/20 right after the chef left his food he never ate and was found the next morning by Kirk and the assistant
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Reply #4 posted 05/21/16 8:19am

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also, it makes sense why van jones stated he felt guilty

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Reply #5 posted 05/21/16 8:20am

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Sigh :'(

He must have been in so much pain, and with so many painkillers still in his system. He must have developed a tremendous tolerance to them, rendering them ineffective in their regular dosages.

He shouldn't have been left alone.

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Reply #6 posted 05/21/16 8:22am

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Militant said:

Sigh :'(

He must have been in so much pain, and with so many painkillers still in his system. He must have developed a tremendous tolerance to them, rendering them ineffective in their regular dosages.

He shouldn't have been left alone.

cqn we leave this as its own thread so it wont get lost in the aggration of the other thread?

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I am unsure why if they were making calls left and right for help , why they left him alone..Further, hazledon is less then 30 minutes away,,the best addiction in damn near the world-+-----------------

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Reply #7 posted 05/21/16 8:25am

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Oh how sad. Makes me cry. My heart is broken.
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Reply #8 posted 05/21/16 8:28am

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This was talked about early on that he most likely had died a few hours earlier, However I don't think he died that night, 4/20. SInce he was seen at 8pm as far as I remember, specualtion would say that he stayed up and at some point maybe went to get something and that was the reason he was in the elevator, possibly a heart attack or something while inside at this point its still guess work, and again does not really matter doesnt change the outcome.


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Reply #9 posted 05/21/16 8:28am

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reading that makes me so sad again

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Reply #10 posted 05/21/16 8:31am

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lwr001 said:

this starts to give a clearer picture of what happened etc... the agitated state that people stated he was in is an example of drug use and ore lack of it.. all i can think is, how did this fucking happen to him



We can put to rest finally that drugs didnt play a part in hos death, as they absolutely did....it changes nothinig

[Edited 5/21/16 8:21am]


-- No one had said drugs did not play a part. From the very beginning they have been saying he was being treated for withdrawal by a doctor. I am not sure how they know he the pills in system if the autopsy results have not been released. I think the withdrawal symptoms got him or other health problems caused by the pills. According to addition specialist people don't usually die from the pain pills themselves but by mixing them with other meds or the withdrawal. They are going to be looking hard at this doctor to see what sort treatment he was providing and if negligent.
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Reply #11 posted 05/21/16 8:34am

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Nothing new here. Just the same story TMZ said two weeks ago.


This might be new info only it's so vague, I don't even know what it means:

That prompted one member of his staff to place a call to New York at 6 a.m. on April 20 — the day before the musician’s body was found — seeking advice from someone who had recently worked with the musician, a source said.


Someone who had recently worked with Prince about what? Rehab from opiods or something else? IDK.

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Reply #12 posted 05/21/16 8:36am

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laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

this starts to give a clearer picture of what happened etc... the agitated state that people stated he was in is an example of drug use and ore lack of it.. all i can think is, how did this fucking happen to him

We can put to rest finally that drugs didnt play a part in hos death, as they absolutely did....it changes nothinig

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-- No one had said drugs did not play a part. From the very beginning they have been saying he was being treated for withdrawal by a doctor. I am not sure how they know he the pills in system if the autopsy results have not been released. I think the withdrawal symptoms got him or other health problems caused by the pills. According to addition specialist people don't usually die from the pain pills themselves but by mixing them with other meds or the withdrawal. They are going to be looking hard at this doctor to see what sort treatment he was providing and if negligent.

in overdoes deaths,, its easy to point the finger at everyone but the person whoi actually took them..obviiously there were issues . and if you believe they dont have tox screens back already a month later, then

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Reply #13 posted 05/21/16 8:39am

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I didn't know Kirk Johnson found him.

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Reply #14 posted 05/21/16 8:41am

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laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

this starts to give a clearer picture of what happened etc... the agitated state that people stated he was in is an example of drug use and ore lack of it.. all i can think is, how did this fucking happen to him

We can put to rest finally that drugs didnt play a part in hos death, as they absolutely did....it changes nothinig

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-- No one had said drugs did not play a part. From the very beginning they have been saying he was being treated for withdrawal by a doctor. I am not sure how they know he the pills in system if the autopsy results have not been released. I think the withdrawal symptoms got him or other health problems caused by the pills. According to addition specialist people don't usually die from the pain pills themselves but by mixing them with other meds or the withdrawal. They are going to be looking hard at this doctor to see what sort treatment he was providing and if negligent.


It would appear that he had an OD on the plane, which presumably would have killed him if he hadn't gotten the save shot. It would seem most logical to me that whatever he did that evening leaving Atlanta was the same thing he did at PP, meaning, I could see this just being a case of taking too many opioids.

If it was a drug interaction/mix, it's a weird coincidence that this happens to occur days after a different OD incident that likely would have killed him had he been alone. Surely, if that first incident had been one where he mixed things in an improper way, that would have been fixed and he wouldn't have repeated the same mistake twice.

Put another way, if the incident at PP had happened without the earlier one, I'd also favor your theory of mixing medicines that shouldn't be mixed. But given that it looks like the same thing happened that had occured days earlier (with the second tragically being in a setting where he was alone), it would seem more logical to me that he died from the same type of opioid OD incident as what presumably happened on the plane.

In any event, we'll know one way or the other eventually...

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Reply #15 posted 05/21/16 8:41am

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Militant said:

Sigh :'(

He must have been in so much pain, and with so many painkillers still in his system. He must have developed a tremendous tolerance to them, rendering them ineffective in their regular dosages.



He shouldn't have been left alone.




Well said, man. Sigh. What a waste. Poor guy...
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Reply #16 posted 05/21/16 8:43am

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i can't stop crying - the sadness just....FCKFCKFCKFCKFCK.

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Reply #17 posted 05/21/16 8:47am

lwr001

Pure speculation, did they call VAn in NYC who then reached out to Phaedra,,Van made it seem like he knew whiich is wehy he made the guilt comment as if to say he could have done more

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Reply #18 posted 05/21/16 8:48am

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Has there been any more mention of his supposed conversation with Will Smith the night before, and the timing of that call? I apologize if this has already been addressed on another thread. The autopsy thread is so overwhelming that I may have missed this.

I'm so incredibly sad and just want logical answers to this tragedy.
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Reply #19 posted 05/21/16 8:50am

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There was always the possibility he'd died any time after he was last seen. But, and I'm no expert, I always thought the fact they even attempted CPR suggested he hadn't been dead long. It seems highly unlikely had he died the night before they would have done so, even if the change in his complexion may have been hidden behind makeup. But he would have been cold and stiff.

It doesn't really matter now but I hate the thought of him lying there dead all night long.

Was it ever confirmed exactly when this phone call with Will Smith took place?
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Reply #20 posted 05/21/16 8:53am

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BanishedBrian said:



laurarichardson said:


lwr001 said:

this starts to give a clearer picture of what happened etc... the agitated state that people stated he was in is an example of drug use and ore lack of it.. all i can think is, how did this fucking happen to him



We can put to rest finally that drugs didnt play a part in hos death, as they absolutely did....it changes nothinig


[Edited 5/21/16 8:21am]



-- No one had said drugs did not play a part. From the very beginning they have been saying he was being treated for withdrawal by a doctor. I am not sure how they know he the pills in system if the autopsy results have not been released. I think the withdrawal symptoms got him or other health problems caused by the pills. According to addition specialist people don't usually die from the pain pills themselves but by mixing them with other meds or the withdrawal. They are going to be looking hard at this doctor to see what sort treatment he was providing and if negligent.


It would appear that he had an OD on the plane, which presumably would have killed him if he hadn't gotten the save shot. It would seem most logical to me that whatever he did that evening leaving Atlanta was the same thing he did at PP, meaning, I could see this just being a case of taking too many opioids.

If it was a drug interaction/mix, it's a weird coincidence that this happens to occur days after a different OD incident that likely would have killed him had he been alone. Surely, if that first incident had been one where he mixed things in an improper way, that would have been fixed and he wouldn't have repeated the same mistake twice.

Put another way, if the incident at PP had happened without the earlier one, I'd also favor your theory of mixing medicines that shouldn't be mixed. But given that it looks like the same thing happened that had occured days earlier (with the second tragically being in a setting where he was alone), it would seem more logical to me that he died from the same type of opioid OD incident as what presumably happened on the plane.

In any event, we'll know one way or the other eventually...



if all this opioid stuff turns out to be true and it was the reason for the plane landing, AND if prince was informed as to what caused his blackout which needed rescue, can anyone come up with a reason WHY, when alone, he would repeat the behavior the night he died? he was a smart guy. he must have known before he took anything that repeating a med combo which nearly killed him a few days earlier could result in death with no one to help him.

i can only come up with

in so much pain he was desperate (but why not call 911 or kirk to come over)
having terrible withdrawal and desperate (again, 911 or kirk)
denial about the possibility of really dying (possible, esp if in pain)
suicidal (hard to believe with prince as it would have been against his religion. i really do not think he suicided)


but what the hell? i am so confused.....
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Reply #21 posted 05/21/16 8:55am

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Was it ever confirmed exactly when this phone call with Will Smith took place?


Will Smith tweeted it himself, and I didn't hear that it was confirmed or disproved. I can't imagine he would have any reason to lie, as he was expressing his grief. Maybe mistaken about the time frame?
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Reply #22 posted 05/21/16 8:56am

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McD said:

There was always the possibility he'd died any time after he was last seen. But, and I'm no expert, I always thought the fact they even attempted CPR suggested he hadn't been dead long. It seems highly unlikely had he died the night before they would have done so, even if the change in his complexion may have been hidden behind makeup. But he would have been cold and stiff. It doesn't really matter now but I hate the thought of him lying there dead all night long. Was it ever confirmed exactly when this phone call with Will Smith took place?

there were reports that rigor mortis had alreaddy set in..the was stated in the first days of inverstigation

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Reply #23 posted 05/21/16 8:56am

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I don't think there's much reason to doubt the reporting about the Percocet. Yeah, it's not 100% yet. But it's not unfounded.

Prince likely didn't choose to take Percocet based on rational reasoning or anything like that. He was probably in so much pain and so many withdrawal symptoms that he had no real choice.
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Reply #24 posted 05/21/16 8:57am

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cardinal said:

BanishedBrian said:


It would appear that he had an OD on the plane, which presumably would have killed him if he hadn't gotten the save shot. It would seem most logical to me that whatever he did that evening leaving Atlanta was the same thing he did at PP, meaning, I could see this just being a case of taking too many opioids.

If it was a drug interaction/mix, it's a weird coincidence that this happens to occur days after a different OD incident that likely would have killed him had he been alone. Surely, if that first incident had been one where he mixed things in an improper way, that would have been fixed and he wouldn't have repeated the same mistake twice.

Put another way, if the incident at PP had happened without the earlier one, I'd also favor your theory of mixing medicines that shouldn't be mixed. But given that it looks like the same thing happened that had occured days earlier (with the second tragically being in a setting where he was alone), it would seem more logical to me that he died from the same type of opioid OD incident as what presumably happened on the plane.

In any event, we'll know one way or the other eventually...

if all this opioid stuff turns out to be true and it was the reason for the plane landing, AND if prince was informed as to what caused his blackout which needed rescue, can anyone come up with a reason WHY, when alone, he would repeat the behavior the night he died? he was a smart guy. he must have known before he took anything that repeating a med combo which nearly killed him a few days earlier could result in death with no one to help him. i can only come up with in so much pain he was desperate (but why not call 911 or kirk to come over) having terrible withdrawal and desperate (again, 911 or kirk) denial about the possibility of really dying (possible, esp if in pain) suicidal (hard to believe with prince as it would have been against his religion. i really do not think he suicided) but what the hell? i am so confused......

drugs are more powerfuk than even the most intelligent persons will Further, the smarter you are sometimes works against you in an addiction ,,,you can conviince yourself that you are greater than the drug..Aslo, this is a guy , who unlike other addicts has the resources to get whatever he wants whenever he wants with no finanacial risk otr risk of being homeless etc.. in that sense,

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if all this opioid stuff turns out to be true and it was the reason for the plane landing, AND if prince was informed as to what caused his blackout which needed rescue, can anyone come up with a reason WHY, when alone, he would repeat the behavior the night he died? he was a smart guy. he must have known before he took anything that repeating a med combo which nearly killed him a few days earlier could result in death with no one to help him. i can only come up with in so much pain he was desperate (but why not call 911 or kirk to come over) having terrible withdrawal and desperate (again, 911 or kirk) denial about the possibility of really dying (possible, esp if in pain) suicidal (hard to believe with prince as it would have been against his religion. i really do not think he suicided) but what the hell? i am so confused......

When you are addicted - to anything be it even alchohol - you cannot think staight and the need for "it" overtakes all common sense and logic. So although to us it seems like why didn't he.... he didn't because he couldn't see. I think he should of been with someone 24 hours and that should of been part of his "detox" plan from the drugs. Then again he might of been really good at hiding how much he was taking and how bad it was and it might of just recently come to light with the plane incident and that's when everyone starting pulling their socks up. Sadly too late but they shouldn't feel bad or blame themselves. You do all you think is right and can at the time. sad

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Has there been any more mention of his supposed conversation with Will Smith the night before, and the timing of that call? I apologize if this has already been addressed on another thread. The autopsy thread is so overwhelming that I may have missed this.

I'm so incredibly sad and just want logical answers to this tragedy.


i have not seen a recent mention in the autopsy thread about the smith call. but it would certainly help narrow the window in which he passed.
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Reply #27 posted 05/21/16 9:00am

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Sigh :'(

He must have been in so much pain, and with so many painkillers still in his system. He must have developed a tremendous tolerance to them, rendering them ineffective in their regular dosages.

He shouldn't have been left alone.

Prince was always a control freak, if he wanted to be alone, no one could have done anything about it as what he says, go's, the problem is it looks like he was not in a reasonable state of mind to make best judgement, sad, but the way he was.

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Reply #28 posted 05/21/16 9:01am

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Militant said:

Sigh :'(

He must have been in so much pain, and with so many painkillers still in his system. He must have developed a tremendous tolerance to them, rendering them ineffective in their regular dosages.

He shouldn't have been left alone.

This is exactely what I have been saying all along. Ever since the post Atlanta incident, he should have been closely monitered. Sadly, no one can ever change what has happened now. sad

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laurarichardson said:


lwr001 said:

this starts to give a clearer picture of what happened etc... the agitated state that people stated he was in is an example of drug use and ore lack of it.. all i can think is, how did this fucking happen to him



We can put to rest finally that drugs didnt play a part in hos death, as they absolutely did....it changes nothinig


[Edited 5/21/16 8:21am]



-- No one had said drugs did not play a part. From the very beginning they have been saying he was being treated for withdrawal by a doctor. I am not sure how they know he the pills in system if the autopsy results have not been released. I think the withdrawal symptoms got him or other health problems caused by the pills. According to addition specialist people don't usually die from the pain pills themselves but by mixing them with other meds or the withdrawal. They are going to be looking hard at this doctor to see what sort treatment he was providing and if negligent.


It would appear that he had an OD on the plane, which presumably would have killed him if he hadn't gotten the save shot. It would seem most logical to me that whatever he did that evening leaving Atlanta was the same thing he did at PP, meaning, I could see this just being a case of taking too many opioids.

If it was a drug interaction/mix, it's a weird coincidence that this happens to occur days after a different OD incident that likely would have killed him had he been alone. Surely, if that first incident had been one where he mixed things in an improper way, that would have been fixed and he wouldn't have repeated the same mistake twice.

Put another way, if the incident at PP had happened without the earlier one, I'd also favor your theory of mixing medicines that shouldn't be mixed. But given that it looks like the same thing happened that had occured days earlier (with the second tragically being in a setting where he was alone), it would seem more logical to me that he died from the same type of opioid OD incident as what presumably happened on the plane.

In any event, we'll know one way or the other eventually...


-- The only problem is that they have already said that the doctor he was seeing in wrote him two Rxs that were not pain meds and that Prince filled them at the Walgreens right after leaving the Dr office. He had meds for something other than pain and I think he mixed him with the pain meds that they say he had on him or the withdrawals got him. He may have been making an effort and going about the wrong way.
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